Excuse me, but who do you think you are? The goal here is to show how disgusting the country of Israel is and how indiscriminately they murder people. This is the 23rd child to be murdered. May the image burn in your fucking brain.
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Breaking: Israel launches Operation Protective Edge against Hamas in Gaza
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Excuse me, but who do you think you are? The goal here is to show how disgusting the country of Israel is and how indiscriminately they murder people. This is the 23rd child to be murdered. May the image burn in your fucking brain.
JordanN
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Israel is not keeping their tanks in an airport.
Here's a mosque Hamas stored weapons in during the 2008 Gaza war.
Again, it's bad enough Hamas litters themselves everywhere in Gaza.
I'm not hanging around for long, but the fact is, 'Mexico' is still bombing America in this situation. America would always defend herself.
Ok, lemme try and explain from my point of view.
3 Israelie teenagers go missing on the 12th of June, this causes Netanyahu (PM) to blame Hamas for this abduction and quickly after that the White House confirms the statement of the PM. However, organizations like Hamas etc always publicly claim attacks or actions, but this time they have denied all involvement with this abduction.
The media has since labeled the Hamas accusations as a fact. What follows is the burning of 16 year old Palestinian boy, while he is still alive, which was supposedly done by several Israeli fanatics.
Edit: Amjad's earlier posted article describes my ideas about the situation as well. http://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2014/07/0...&hq_e=el&hq_m=3288693&hq_l=13&hq_v=e0a2a63d45
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The US-Mexico situation would be different, namely Mexico is not under the US control. There are aspects to compare and I'd say US would be given permission from Mexico to stop the rocket attacks per our relationship as neighbors.
That airport hosts a military airbase, so it is not entirely a civilian target. Could be related to planes dropping smartbombs.
"Protective Edge" was launched as a knee-jerk reaction to the kidnapping and slaying of three Israeli youth and the honor killing that followed of a Palestinian teenager. Israel can protect itself with drones, iron domes, and an array of surveillance capabilities. Each rocket launch should be pinpointed and that information used to catch those firing rockets. The degree that this operation has been implemented, and the hint it could continue with an ground-invasion, one must ask: "At what point will Israel be secure?" Gaza has been under blockade for like eight years. Israeli settlements have continued in the midst of attempts to forge a peace deal.
They'd be wrong to conduct themselves in that manner. Acting against themselves in the long run.
Their people = our people. We behave in the same unreasonable ways given the same circumstances.
These people look like they're chilling out enjoying the show. Is there a fireworks display?
Excuse me, but who do you think you are? The goal here is to show how disgusting the country of Israel is and how indiscriminately they murder people. This is the 23rd child to be murdered. May the image burn in your fucking brain.
Do you honestly believe that Israel is intentionally targeting children. That they aren't making any attempts to avoid casualties?
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Yeap. The fireworks being the airstrikes that are being dropped on Palestinians...
Apparently the people in the crowd were cheering each time there was a massive explosion...
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No attempts to avoid considering the population density and the armaments. Limiting civilian casualties is part of the operation but these targeted airstrikes are not perfect.
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I'd agree with a majority but sadly its not 100%.
You are out of your mind if you think they give a shit at all beyond having the impotent international community whine in their ear for the thousandth time.
Cheesecakebobby
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Israel has even called off numerous air strikes because civilians had, at the bequest of Hamas, scrambled onto the rooftops of key buildings being used to store ammunition and organise attacks. And those were adults who knew exactly what they were doing - by no means legitimate targets but hardly innocent bystanders once they became a crucial part of Hamas's military strategy. In a few instances when the rooftops were cleared and the go ahead was given, yet civilians returned despite the warning shots, civilians have been killed and the IDF has expressed regret. Bearing that in mind, of course they want to avoid children's deaths.
Edit: That Hamas asks civilians to become human shields is implicit acknowledgement that Israel cares about civilian casualties.
The sad thing is Israel murdering these innocent children.
Let me put it another way. What would you do if your country was under a brutal military occupation for decades, and the country occupying it, continually stole more and more land each and every month, destroyed your homes each and every week, displaced you, your friends relatives etc, and built their own homes on what was previously your land? Would you respond?
What if some of your family responded, and in doing so they were arrested in droves and could face torture, abuse, rape, imprisonment without trial or rights etc as a result. What then?
Sderrot is a city of like 20k people and has half a dozen rockets fired into it each day from gaza. Has been that way for years
I can't imagine having air raid sirens and explosions being an everyday occurrence in any city and NOT having a group of people cheering on as their military retaliates, proportionally or otherwise. :/
I can't imagine having air raid sirens and explosions being an everyday occurrence in any city and NOT having a group of people cheering on as their military retaliates, proportionally or otherwise. :/
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An impotent international community is better than one that would wield great power in this modern World. It would unravel or become a monolithic governing body under the control of the "peacemakers."
I guess Hamas loves Israelis too! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shield#Israel
And can I have a source for the story on those civilians that went to the rooftops? I'm not disputing you, but I'd like to read it because I'm interested.
Cheesecakebobby
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Are you really going to argue that the unauthorised and banned use of a few human shields by disgusting soldiers in past conflicts is somehow equal to how central human shields are to Hamas's military strategy?
Way to ignore the proof that Israel cares about minimising casualties while Hamas does everything in its power to increase the number of dead children it can parade in from of useful idiots who will place all the blame on Israel.
Edit: Here is a video released by the IDF showing a strike being called off
sindbadthesailor
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This is what happens when the 'enemy' is dehumanized. The people watching and cheering are shells of human beings.
Yeah, yeah, the other side does it to, and it's just as sick then too, but that doesn't make this any less repulsive.
Most people have a good idea of what Hamas is by this point. And anyone with a functioning brain (which is a rarity I understand) knows all of Palestine does not equal Hamas, but anyone who thinks Israel is some sort of paragon of virtue in this longstanding conflict or that their worst is any different than the worst in Palestine are truly pathetic.
Then which great power has taken the place of a would-be monolithic international community? There is already a globalized narrative that enables Israel to do what it does without repercussions.
JordanN
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Not even close.
There is also a picture of an Israeli child with his leg blown off, but I'll refrain from posting the gruesome pics.
When has bad PR ever dissuaded Israel, ever?
Not even close.
There is also a picture of an Israeli child with his leg blown off, but I'll refrain from posting the gruesome pics.
But this is the new rockets not the old one 5 years ago....
I'm talking the magnitude that the Palestinians are getting.
Cheesecakebobby
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Maybe they try to avoid killing children because they don't want to kill children. Hard to believe that Israelis aren't all bloodthirsty monsters I know.
It is less about them being bloodthirsty and more about them legitimizing their claim over the land and the people. Why should they take more pains than necessary to do that? What is their incentive?
Not all Israeli's are bloodthirsty monsters, but you have to call a spade a spade at some point. When the parties to the Geneva Convention, numerous UN resolutions, ICJ and other instances have called their habits detestable, what do you have left? The people themselves cannot even protest Israel's terrorism. This is an aberration of democracy. This country is disgraceful.
JordanN
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A rocket is a rocket. They've shot thousands of them at Israel causing lots of property damage, psychological trauma, and death. Calling them "fireworks" is incredibly disrespectful to the victims of the attack (as if they feel no pain from losing a leg).
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People are people. Places are nature/location but really what people make of them when it comes to communities. When we say Israel, we're talking about a population. There are people that care about innocent lives lost on both sides of this conflict. To ignore that is to dehumanize those peoples.
sindbadthesailor
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Linking straight to a propaganda video by the IDF as if it means anything. Wow.
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Hey, its a crazy idea but if the Palestinian State applied to be annexed by the United States then it would at least force recognition and maybe even initiate a larger conversation about the US role here. Its likely not to go through (arguably a bluff anyway).
Cheesecakebobby
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If facts are propaganda then... Ok. Would you like to comment on anything in that video which could be untrue/ faked? Or is anything coming from Israel automatically a lie, or null and void?
Erm, yes compared to what Israel drops on the Palestinians that is exactly what they are in terms of yield and damage. Not to mention the majority, if not all of them miss their intended target.. if there was any intended target in the first place.
Cheesecakebobby
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I don't disagree there are idiots on the Israeli side who would cheer every IDF bomb. I don't disagree that Israel sometimes cracks down on criticism, although it has a good record of allowing peaceful protest in general (at least within its borders...) . But you have made a lot of noise without addressing my evidence that Israel takes measures to reduce casualties while Hamas does everything in its power to increase the number of 'martyrs'.
Vigilant Walrus
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I wonder how England and France felt during the 100 year war....
Recall that I asked you for the source of your evidence, and you decided not to do that. How can I address your evidence if you don't show it to me?
EDIT: Oh, you linked to the IDF's murder porn youtube page. I am very familiar with this channel. Great gems on here for anyone wanting nothing but videos of aircraft bombings. You'll have to excuse me if I don't take my evidence from the exact people we're trying to find objective information about. Are you for real with this?
Here you go:
http://online.wsj.com/articles/civilian-deaths-shine-light-on-israeli-tactic-1404955844
Cheesecakebobby
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Actually I edited that post with an IDF video, there are more if you would like.
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Grateful the English Channel or la Manche was there.
What honor killing? Six Israeli Jews were arrested as suspects.
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