They have a ton of these Qassam junkers up to the 4 and a M75 can they build. But they are also using a M302 Syrian/Chinese missile to hit further. Its range is about 110km or so if I remember correctly. Got them from the Iranians.
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Breaking: Israel launches Operation Protective Edge against Hamas in Gaza
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They have a ton of these Qassam junkers up to the 4 and a M75 can they build. But they are also using a M302 Syrian/Chinese missile to hit further. Its range is about 110km or so if I remember correctly. Got them from the Iranians.
None. They posed no thread. Has the IDF responded to why they were targeted?
It is not uncommon for mistakes to occur in war.
Israel sent troops in the 2006 Hezbollah war. More than 100 IDF personnel died and more than a 1000 civilians died on the Lebanese side.
If Israel really want to dismantle Hamas they may need to invade Gaza, but it in no way will it lessen civilian deaths.
Pic i took after first strike appears to show 4 boys running away #gaza port then there was a second hit
https://twitter.com/StefanieDekker/status/489426261702217728
This occurred in broad daylight...if anyone believes this was a mistake then you're lying to yourself.
What benefit would the IDF/Israel have to killing 4 boys in an open field?
We could argue if they were playing near a rocket launching site, or near a Hamas stronghold, but i can't imagine any reason other than a mistake for this.
Ues, but you are ignoring the fact that many of the Israeli soldiers would die from traps and by ambushes and Israel does not wish to pay that price
I didn't order those strikes. Ask the people behind it, but if you believe that was a mistake you're lying to yourself, especially since some of you consider these to be "precision" strikes. Precision my ass.
This occurred in front of multiple journalists. If Hamas used the area to launch anything they would have made a note of that. It was an open field.
RustyNails
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Meaning, Israel does not like to send the troops into battle zones because they get their asses handed to them?
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Hezbollah was armed far more than Hamas is, and financed heavier, as well. Hamas weapons grade, organization, leadership, etc is child's play compared to what Hezbollah was in 2006. Hezbollah was immensely more organized with bigger firepower overall. Furthermore, fighting with Hezbollah happened largely on foreign soil where the IDF is at a disadvantage. Not the case here.
Also, by dismantle I didn't mean dismantle Hamas. I literally meant dismantling of the munitions and launchers.
At this point it doesn't matter if they were mistaken or not. The full culpability for the deaths of these civilians lies on the IDF. Hamas is clearly not launching rockets from a small fishing village.
I definitely agree with this sentiment. I'm surprised at people defending those "mistakes".
Let me point out the obvious, that no nation wants to put their troops in harm ways if they can use other means.
Frankly we're only really getting the detail about this because of those journalists happened to be there today. Makes you wonder if every geriatric hospital or disabled persons rehab centre the Israeli's bomb actually have rockets launching anywhere near them which is the typical Israeli excuse for absolutely everything.
I didn't intend to come off as defending this "mistake". It is a travesty and the IDF needs to explain why they were targeted and take the appropriate actions to never let this happen again.
As someone who has tried for years to sympathize with the Israeli position... (Half Jewish family) I'm finding it very hard to believe that any of this was necessary for the protection of Israel. BiBi has seriously destroyed any sympathies I may have had towards the government there and it seems they're only further harming any chance of a peaceful existence for the Israeli people now and in the future.
A fucking shame.
dripdripsplash
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With regards to the supposed Palestinian demonstrations turned violent in France. Turns out it wasn't really correct after all.
- See more at: http://www.middleeastmonitor.com/ne...uring-pro-palestine-demo#sthash.Uup6nDI4.dpuf
Canada is a colonial construct, and is definitely built on land taken from the indigenous population, and Canadian history in terms of its dealings with them has been an utter, unmitigated, travesty. Canada does share a lot in common with the Israelis, it's true.
But this is not the same as an occupation. While First Nations experience all sorts of systemic biases and racism (and this is terrible), they are provided the most basic human rights: They can vote, own property, move freely, and participate in the economy. They are Canadian citizens and are eligible to obtain a Canadian passport to leave and re-enter the country. They have access to the same medical care system as other Canadians.
There is no part of Canada in which these fundamental rights are refused to them by the government.
All that said, Canada is a low bar to be reaching for on this, and Israel does not even come close to that bar. If Israel properly annexed the remainder of Palestine and gave full citizenship to all Palestinians, the comparison would start to look reasonable.
The UN estimates 75% of Palestinian fatalities are civilians and more than 1,300 residential structures have been "rendered uninhabitable", by Israeli strikes, with 710 destroyed and an additional 660 severely damaged.
http://www.ochaopt.org/documents/ocha_opt_sitrep_16_07_2014.pdf
Also 79 schools, and 23 health facilities have been hit.
Precision.
UNRWA is also reporting 22,000 refugees in 24 shelters far beyond their capacity. But don't worry the IDF are telling 100,000 to evacuate their homes, I do wonder exactly where they are meant to go in the one of the most densely populated urban areas on Earth, nevermind the Hospital they've also told to evacuate.
Compassion.
http://www.ochaopt.org/documents/ocha_opt_sitrep_16_07_2014.pdf
Also 79 schools, and 23 health facilities have been hit.
Precision.
UNRWA is also reporting 22,000 refugees in 24 shelters far beyond their capacity. But don't worry the IDF are telling 100,000 to evacuate their homes, I do wonder exactly where they are meant to go in the one of the most densely populated urban areas on Earth, nevermind the Hospital they've also told to evacuate.
Compassion.
RustyNails
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"Mistakes happen"
Woke up to see posts about the murder of those 4 children playing soccer by the IDF. So awful. Journalists were actually there to witness it. Clearly Hamas was using these kids as human shields.. o wait. I mean what the hell were these assholes even aiming at? It was an open field with 4 kids!
Absolutely disgusting
m_shortpants
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Hay guise it's not IDFs fault hummus was using these kids on the beach as human shieldz
The quotes you shared here were refuted by others in this thread that posted statements about Hamas saying they do want peace.
We keep going back to killing civilians you say, ofcourse I do. I don't care about anything else in this conflict other than the civilian casualties in this conflict. I don't care about Hamas and I don't care about the IDF, only about the innocent lives that are being killed.
Mocking folks, whose opinion you disagree with, is not conducive to a healthy discussion.
m_shortpants
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IDF apologists would have you believe every square inch of Gaza houses rockets.
The real answer is much simpler. Israel is systematically destroying infrastructure. All of the buildings that are blown up, they can never be reconstructed because Gaza has no bulldozers or heavy machinery. And concrete isnt allowed in either. That's Israeli justice for you though. I mean, after those three teenagers were killed they arrested 400 people and demolished the homes of the accused's families. Grade A justice right there.
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m_shortpants
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Then tell them you disagree and that they are in denial. Instead your sentence, and intentional misspelling, was derisive towards that person's opinion.
m_shortpants
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I didnt direct it to any one person. It was intended as satire of IDF apologists. Not sure why you're focusing so much on simple satire.
Fair enough. I won't make any more of it.
The UN OCHA daily report makes that relatively clear, although I'm sure the IDF will be supplying their apologist drones with suitable chaff to explain why water pumping stations and waste treatment centres are legitimate targets.
Woke up to see posts about the murder of those 4 children playing soccer by the IDF. So awful. Journalists were actually there to witness it. Clearly Hamas was using these kids as human shields.. o wait. I mean what the hell were these assholes even aiming at? It was an open field with 4 kids!
Those 2 pictures don't line up. The kids aren't in the same place where the smoke is coming from. It could have still happened... just those pics are odd.
Or maybe they walked into the blast further down? Sad regardless.
It looks like they are walking to the location/direction where the blast eventually occurs.
Damn ;(Woke up to see posts about the murder of those 4 children playing soccer by the IDF. So awful. Journalists were actually there to witness it. Clearly Hamas was using these kids as human shields.. o wait. I mean what the hell were these assholes even aiming at? It was an open field with 4 kids!
I better don't comment on this.
I only watched 15 seconds randomly in the first half, i wasn't very convinced with the narrators explanation of the man being dragged - the ambulance may have stopped short to prevent being fired on, and the people evacuating the man look to be doing it under gun fire - I'm not surprised they dragged him to the ambulance.
I don't disagree about the existence of faked deaths or injuries but what i very briefly saw in that video doesn't match that narrative.
Way to dismiss those boys death...
RustyNails
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Are you fucking suggesting that the mother is faking it? You are disgusting.
WayneMorse
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FUCK ISRAEL
Or I should say fuck Israel's shitty right wing psuedo-fascist government.
NullPointer
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So are you implying that the mother's grief was faked? The deaths?
Or that cameras capturing that grief serve only propaganda purposes?
Do you think the target was known in advance and children were told to play there?
What are you saying?
During the 2006 Lebanon war, a Jewish media organisation, had discovered the same woman in photos and videos crying at different bombing sites across the country over her dead family, sometimes within hours of each boming. Now, I am in no way suggesting that this video is fake, but that may be what Pilgor is suggesting. Though i would suggest we only reference videos/articles that come from known news agencies, or are being sourced from them. Regardless that is devastating to see that mother morn the loss of her children. No mother should ever have to endure that.
TheRealTalker
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clearly a mother doesn't have a right to grieve for her children
<Israeli propaganda> Don't you know Palestinians are subhuman monsters who hate Israeli's more than they love their children? </Israeli propaganda>
Only Israeli mothers are given that privilege.
Gemüsepizza
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Yep, you heard it guys. All the footage from Gaza is clearly fake. There is no grief and sorrow over the death of 200 people, of which 70% are civilians. Seriously, wtf dude.
Here, more PALLYWOOD for you, this time courtesy of bigboss370
These are from a conflict in Syria, not Gaza.
I'm saying Palestinian media is known to show pictures and video that are not contextually accurate. See above.
These are from a conflict in Syria, not Gaza.
I'm saying Palestinian media is known to show pictures and video that are not contextually accurate. See above.
Frustrated_me
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Woke up to see posts about the murder of those 4 children playing soccer by the IDF. So awful. Journalists were actually there to witness it. Clearly Hamas was using these kids as human shields.. o wait. I mean what the hell were these assholes even aiming at? It was an open field with 4 kids!
Heart breaking
The death of these boys happened in front of various international journalists. Given that fact, why are you posting this stuff in response to this event?
Obviously Pilgor is one-sided. He'll do anything to dismiss civilian casualties as propaganda.
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