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Bungie Team being spun off into a new PlayStation Studio
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Embearded
Member
I don't see how these 2 cases relate.
EA actively killed those studios by interfering too much into their processes.
PeteBull
Gold Member
Most likely but i will wait for gameplay trailer to be sure, hoping sony learn from their woke gaas mistakes soon enough
64bitbros
Member
Grow up.
Nah, last I heard the company is chock full of these idiots. And if your company is filled with garbage it can only produce garbageMost likely but i will wait for gameplay trailer to be sure, hoping sony learn from their woke gaas mistakes soon enough
POKEYCLYDE
Member
75 person team working on a team based (likely GAAS) new sci-fi game.
This new studio formation is probably to let the merits of whatever game they're working on stand for themselves. A massive failure won't be getting subsidized off the backs of Bungie's more successful titles...
In other words, this new studio lives or dies off of the success of their first game.
This new studio formation is probably to let the merits of whatever game they're working on stand for themselves. A massive failure won't be getting subsidized off the backs of Bungie's more successful titles...
In other words, this new studio lives or dies off of the success of their first game.
Angry_Megalodon
Gold Member
It will shut down within 12 months, alongside Haven.
Tiago Rodrigues
Gold Member
I really think that game will flop as bad as Concord tbh. That first trailer was...bad and out of touch in every way.
midnightAI
Member
It is tiring isn't it
bitbydeath
Member
So disrespectful.Sony went fully western this gen, other than Astro Bot I don’t think there is much for me to look forward.
Most of the games either GaaS or cinematic Marvel crap.
Boss Mog
Member
This might be the best thing to happen to Bungie, making the next Halo instead of making shitty GaaS games. And if the people they fired were DEI hired activists who didn't really contribute anything besides adding toxicity to projects then it would be nothing but win.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
I'll believe it when I see it and if it's not SP, fuck off.
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
Sony went fully western this gen, other than Astro Bot I don’t think there is much for me to look forward.
Most of the games either GaaS or cinematic Marvel crap.
You missed all the Korean Hero project, China Hero projects and India Hero projects isn't it.? They are more into non western themed games nowadays then a few years ago.
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Gojiira
Member
No Sony aren’t the ones massacring studios…. Did you forget Bungie was operating independently? THEY are the ones choosing to fire people after burning through billions of dollar. Sony has now taken full control and instead of dumping the entire studio is now opening a new one with hundreds of those employees that were axed…His is this anything like EA?
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
I mean didn't we get 2 Eastern games from their publishing arm just this year (Rise of the Ronin and Stellar Blade)? I'm fine with the output as long as they keep funding/making these 2nd party partnerships with Eastern devs.Sony went fully western this gen, other than Astro Bot I don’t think there is much for me to look forward.
Most of the games either GaaS or cinematic Marvel crap.
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Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
Well, it is, and it isn't
And to quote
DonkeyPunchJr
from the Dragon Age thread, this is in a Dragon age game“Everyone is canonically pansexual”
“Full nudity for the first time in the series”
“First DA game where the combat is actually fun”
“Hired a sex noise specialist”
“Most lines of dialog in a BioWare game”
Wether you want to bury your head in the sand or you play most 'modern' games, this is landscape now. Normal gamers didn't want it, me included, but here we are
So yes, it is tiring. But no one wanted it to begin with. Unless you did, then fill your boots, but don't be made that this is now the new normal
Badlucktroll
Member
I wish Marathon would have an amazing magical single player campaign. thats the shit i wanted from bungie under sony
Hudo
Member
You and me both...
Hopium: Hermen forces Bungie to unfuck Marathon and make it properly.
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FewRope
Member
Bro did you ever played Dragon Age Origins back in the day? Most of the fandom was in for the sex and violence lmaoWell, it is, and it isn't
And to quote
“Everyone is canonically pansexual”
“Full nudity for the first time in the series”
“First DA game where the combat is actually fun”
“Hired a sex noise specialist”
“Most lines of dialog in a BioWare game”
Wether you want to bury your head in the sand or you play most 'modern' games, this is landscape now. Normal gamers didn't want it, me included, but here we are
So yes, it is tiring. But no one wanted it to begin with. Unless you did, then fill your boots, but don't be made that this is now the new normal
Talking about Bioware games and not talking about how they are horny ass bait it's weird af
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Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
That's not even my point. My point is that you can't moan this stuff is tiring when people mention woke type stuff in games, when devs keep putting tiring woke stuff in games
And stop that nonsense, the Bioware of Origins is not the Bioware of today, far far from it. It's full of Pro noun fan fiction writers these days
It's just another I.P lost to modernisation.
midnightAI
Member
The main issue I have is that the anti woke are in pretty much every thread calling out things as woke (even when most things they claim aren't), it's tiring. I don't even think they even realise they are just as annoying as the 'woke' crowd. They are two sides of the same coin.Well, it is, and it isn't
And to quote
“Everyone is canonically pansexual”
“Full nudity for the first time in the series”
“First DA game where the combat is actually fun”
“Hired a sex noise specialist”
“Most lines of dialog in a BioWare game”
Wether you want to bury your head in the sand or you play most 'modern' games, this is landscape now. Normal gamers didn't want it, me included, but here we are
So yes, it is tiring. But no one wanted it to begin with. Unless you did, then fill your boots, but don't be made that this is now the new normal
Anyway, off topic. As far as Bungie goes, I don't think they are a lost cause, they just need better direction something hopefully this will allow.
fudgybrownie
Member
It was covered. This can be deleted.
Lunarorbit
Gold Member
Bungies management really fucked this up for everybody. Maybe the workers will be happy
fart town usa
Member
Why does Bungie have appx 1302 employees?
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
Because you need at least 3 devs to do the job of one, when 2/3 of their time are taken up doing knitting classes.
nikolino840
Member
No Sony aren’t the ones massacring studios…. Did you forget Bungie was operating independently? THEY are the ones choosing to fire people after burning through billions of dollar. Sony has now taken full control and instead of dumping the entire studio is now opening a new one with hundreds of those employees that were axed…His is this anything like EA?
BlackTron
Member
When you finally overreact in frustration to your partners constant bullshit, are you suddenly just two sides of the same coin because now you're mad at each other?
Turns out that being racist (aka going woke) ruffles feathers and pisses people off. It's their fault that having a diverse checklist of stuff became such an indicator of poor quality that people caught on and started avoiding it. Maybe if they used ideas based on how actually good they are and hired people based on their actual merits instead of skin color, we could have non-forced diversity that rewards minorities for their talents instead of patronizingly patting them on the head for showing up.
There are extreme anti-woke people who are simply racist and they were probably shitty before anyway. The screw-ups of the woke crowd emboldens them to be louder. This doesn't change that they pretty much begged most normal people to get tired of woke first anyway, legitimately. An overreaction to a racist asshole who wont shut up for years isn't "other side of same coin as the racist asshole".
Negotiator101
Member
Those who are left, basically Sony HQ are taking full control from here on out.
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Omnipunctual Godot
Gold Member
It really is pathetic. Remember when we got all of the following exclusives in a single generation:Sony went fully western this gen, other than Astro Bot I don’t think there is much for me to look forward.
Most of the games either GaaS or cinematic Marvel crap.
- Demon's Souls
- Tokyo Jungle
- God of War III
- God of War Ascension
- Killzone 2 - 3
- Uncharted 1-3
- TLoU
- MAG
- Heavenly Sword
- LittleBigPlanet 1-2
- Resistance 1-3
- Infamous 1-2
- 3D Dot Game Heroes
- Echochrome
- Lair
- The Last Guy
- LocoRoco
- Noby Noby Boy
- MGS4
- 3 MotorStorms
- PixelJunk Eden
- Puppeteer
- Warhawk
- Starhawk
- Siren: Blood Curse
- 5 Ratchet & Clank games
- Lumines Supernova
- Drakengard 3
- Hot Shots 5
- Twisted Metal
- Gran Turismo 5 + 6
- White Knight Chronicles I & II
- Heavy Rain
- SOCOM 4
They've basically said, "Fuck indies and AA" and closed some of their best studios (like Japan Studio) to instead work on a handful of AAA games that may or may not end up massive flops (like Concord). The decline is embarrassing.
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kazuyamishima
Member
More than half of the games listed here sold like shit including Japan Studio games.
There are less games released since the PS4 generation. But the games sold more units and make more revenue/profit.
As an example, Uncharted 4 has sold more units than the first 3 games on PS3, the same can be said about GOW 2018 compared to the PS2-PS3 games.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Wont see their new game till around 2030.
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
It's just a by product of this wonderful modern age we're having thrust upon us, sadly.
I dont personally know anyone who wants any of it to begin with.
We can only hope. The thing is, the Bungie of old isn't the Bungie of new
So it's totally up in the air what will come out. But as of late, any purple hair, pro nouns or 'modern audiences' gets mentioned, they might aswell not bother
It's not exactly going down well
Just bring back good old Sci-fi. They can't lose.
midnightAI
Member
Thats all I want (I actually (really) liked Destiny, and Destiny 2 for a while (until they started removing stuff), their gunplay is on point even now. I just hope (wish) for a single player sci fi shooter with that same awesome gunplay.
Omnipunctual Godot
Gold Member
I'm talking as a customer who has had every Playstation console since the first one. This generation has the worst selection of exclusive games and genres represented by Sony first-party studios. It's not even close. It isn't a healthy ecosystem when everything is so lopsided toward third-person action games and now GaaS. The only reason I pre-ordered a PS5 was because of the Demon's Souls remake, which was originally a Japan Studio/FromSoftware game. Closing all of these studios and focusing solely on AAA games will have a cascading effect with repercussions beyond what is immediately apparent.
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Lumpyoatmeal
Member
So what’s going to happen with Destiny 2? That Destiny money is drying up, and now they have a way smaller team than before which is going to make it even harder to produce content.
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Lumpyoatmeal
Member
I’m not sure how credible the source is but supposedly they are going to be doing content packs instead.
Destiny 2's Future Content Drops To Be Lighter And Smaller 'Content Packs' Instead Of Expansions, Insider Reveals
Bungie reportedly shifts Destiny 2 updates to "lighter" and "smaller" content packs instead of expansions, following staff layoffs.
destinybulletin.com
Stooky
Member
yeah woke garbage! like my comment please!
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
I was never really a fan of Destiny, it just never grabbed me, but Halo? I'd throw money at them for another jaunt like that!
Even if they had to skirt the Halo name and make something similar'ish I'd still buy it
Balo.
It's going to be multiplayer though too I bet.
yurinka
Member
Bungie announced that TLS was going to be the last big yearly expansion, that would complete the initially planned 10 years plan and story arc. And that after it they change the type of game updates, which will continue. But instead of big yearly expansions, now spreading the content in smaller and more frequent updates and events across the year.
Destiny money isn't dying. Bungie said that Lightfall underperformed but also said TLS was very successful.
Bungie also said they keep 850 people working on the Destiny and Marathon IPs. This is more than enough than to work on Marathon, Destiny 2 updates, Destiny 3 and one or two games more.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
The problem is majority of them (not all) are either F2P gatcha games or "Souls-like" games, I'm just not interested on those type of games.
El Muerto
Gold Member
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Agent X
Member
That's quite an impressive list. it's even missing some other games (mostly downloadables) like Super Stardust HD, Wipeout HD, Pain, several other PixelJunk games, and more. I even liked several of the PlayStation Move games.
If Sony wants to create a new "small" studio, or reassign an existing one, they d do well to have some of these teams concentrate on small-scale productions that are easy to grasp and fun to play.
That might be true, but it's good to have that kind of variety and diversity in your overall game catalog. Such variety has the potential to appeal to a broader range of players. It's what attracts new players to the platform, and also helps retain jaded longtime customers who crave something fresh and exciting.
Many big hit games were first released as small, unassuming little diversions, then later ballooned into chart-topping giants as a result of positive word of mouth. Sometimes, it's good to let a creative group make their unconventional "dream project" into a reality, rather than chasing "flavor of the day" trends with a "me-too" clone in an already crowded market.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Good strategic move by Sony.
Over time, shift over employees and make Sony studio games. Therefore, if Bungie wants to splinter off somehow or be sold off going third party again, Bungie wont have anything to carry over except Destiny and Marathon. Any new IP under Bungie would probably be under Bungie like how under the agreement, Bungie still owns Destiny.
But the more employees cut or shifted to Sony, the harder it is for them to make new IPs and break away. And if they do, they'll have as few IPs as possible.
Over time, shift over employees and make Sony studio games. Therefore, if Bungie wants to splinter off somehow or be sold off going third party again, Bungie wont have anything to carry over except Destiny and Marathon. Any new IP under Bungie would probably be under Bungie like how under the agreement, Bungie still owns Destiny.
But the more employees cut or shifted to Sony, the harder it is for them to make new IPs and break away. And if they do, they'll have as few IPs as possible.
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MikeM
Gold Member
Don’t play it? You are free to vote with your wallet. I don’t like it either but if game good, game good.Well, it is, and it isn't
And to quote
“Everyone is canonically pansexual”
“Full nudity for the first time in the series”
“First DA game where the combat is actually fun”
“Hired a sex noise specialist”
“Most lines of dialog in a BioWare game”
Wether you want to bury your head in the sand or you play most 'modern' games, this is landscape now. Normal gamers didn't want it, me included, but here we are
So yes, it is tiring. But no one wanted it to begin with. Unless you did, then fill your boots, but don't be made that this is now the new normal
Curious to know if both of you bought Stellar Blade day 1.