I don't know much about Wild Rose but isn't that pretty much what the Reform Party was? Is this really that different?
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Canada Poligaf - The Wrath of Harperland
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I guess I should get out and vote. As much as I despise the Wild Rose I'd actually like to see another right wing party come in and further break up this voting bloc.
No, not really that different. The big difference is that the Wild Rose has a leader that is good on TV and she usually says the right things, even if what she says is not really what her party stands for.
It's pretty crazy that the rest of Canada already thinks of Alberta as a bunch of "George Bush loving Republican" types, and now Alberta is about to vote in a party that is even more conservative than the current party!
Oppo
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Yes. Crazy. That's the right word.
It's fine for me.
Wait, they managed to rebound from the "gays burn in hell", "whites have an advantage" comments late last week that seem to tank their momentum?
Edit: And the NDP isn't going to force an election in Ontario after a surtax implementation. Sounds good to me.
DreamMachine
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Budget cuts leave Statscan girding for fewer surveys, less staff
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...-for-fewer-surveys-less-staff/article2410623/
Opposition heaps scorn on Bev Oda’s ‘five-star-plus’ spending habits
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ive-star-plus-spending-habits/article2411198/
Spy chief welcomes terrorism investigation legislation
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/04/23/pol-csis-fadden-terrorism-committee.html
Budget cuts leave Statscan girding for fewer surveys, less staff
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...-for-fewer-surveys-less-staff/article2410623/
Opposition heaps scorn on Bev Oda’s ‘five-star-plus’ spending habits
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ive-star-plus-spending-habits/article2411198/
Spy chief welcomes terrorism investigation legislation
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/04/23/pol-csis-fadden-terrorism-committee.html
They stayed pretty stable around 40-41, but the PCs surged a bit. The very last poll, done last night by Forum, shows a 2 point gap between PC and WR (36, 38 respectively), though. So there could have been a last minute swing back towards the PCs.
Pretty much expecting the Liberals to get decimated. I think it'll be a minority government too, but there'll probably be a mass of defections if that happens.
The Internet
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I voted PC for the first time in my life on Friday (advance poll) just to make sure the Wildrose don't win.
They really are going after anyone that doesn't see eye to eye with them.
Unreported crimes to go up me thinks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta_general_election,_2012#Opinion_polls
http://www.forumresearch.com/forms/...a_Issues_Poll_(Forum_Research)_(20120422).pdf
Note that that final swing was two polls done by the same company, released in the same day (one done the day before).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta_general_election,_2012#Opinion_polls
http://www.forumresearch.com/forms/...a_Issues_Poll_(Forum_Research)_(20120422).pdf
Note that that final swing was two polls done by the same company, released in the same day (one done the day before).
Too nerve wracking. I'll do my part but I hope it'll be enough.
You stood by your principles at least, even if it has no real affect (unless Alberta has Prop Rep voting and I didn't hear about it)
Aww yeah, keep killing knowledge Conservatives, the less we know the better amirite?
You and me both!
I wonder if a PC vote would be a better move against a WR victory...
Haha. What riding? This election you never know. So many splits possible.
Wow. This is coming from a goverment that keeps saying we need to cut everywhere to improve our country's finances. It's sad that she rejected a five star hotel at 300$/night to rent a room at more expensive one at 600$/night. Hoping the 16$ glass of orange juice was worth it.
In other news, Ethic Commissioner Mary Dawson will start another investigation (the third one!) on Minister of Industry Christian Paradis. I think it's time Harper demoted him.
That'd be great if she wasn't also planning to abolish party discipline. What's Danielle Smith going to do about one of those nutjobs' private members bills?
I'm no fan of party discipline, but acting like the WR isn't basically fertile ground for lots of populist craziness to get into actual legislation is just silly. Danielle Smith doesn't seem so bad, but the whole rest of her party is quite different from her as far as I can tell.
DreamMachine
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I thought this was funny, conservatives give this picture out when public employees are let go to deal with it.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/04/23/pol-civil-service-diagram.html
From what I read, she'll give them freedom of speech and let them vote like they want (doesn't mean sho won't try to convince them). Which is good since you can spot the crazies. But I don't think she'll let them draft/present legislations.
dream
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Edmonton-Castle Downs, where we were offered a free post-voting barbecue by the Wildrose candidate...
BladeWorker
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If you release your MPPs from towing the party line in votes and speech you cannot stop them from drafting and presenting bills as backbenchers.
Can't have it both ways; either there's party discipline, or there isn't.
I thought this was funny, conservatives give this picture out when public employees are let go to deal with it.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/04/23/pol-civil-service-diagram.html
It has to feel like those public employees are being treated like children.
Stick figure comics, really?
All members of a legislative body are entitled to introduce legislation. It's called a private member's bill, and it has some disadvantages compared to a government bill, but it is sometimes used as a backdoor to raise trial balloons about controversial subjects. Without party discipline there's no way for Danielle Smith to do a damn thing if most of her caucus wants to vote for one.
BladeWorker
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(EDIT: MLAs in Alberta, BTW, not MPPs)
I guess my Ontario is showing, where we can, and do, use the terms interchangeably.
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At this point, the crazier Canada gets, the better. People here need to see Canada for what it really has become.
Trellisaze
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I voted for the Alberta Party
Same! Not a "throwaway" vote either, since I'm in one of the few ridings where they're competitive. (Rutherford)
BladeWorker
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At what point in that slippery slope will we be able to stop, though?
I hope they don't win, their policies for criminal justice are abysmal. The rebate concept is idiotic and there are a host of other problems with their platform.
Probably would have been but I'm not much for voting strategically. I'd have nightmares marking down PC
I was just wondering the same thing. Harper still has 4 years to do what he wants to with his majority. It sure help his case when provincial prime ministers share his view or can be considered as his "friend".
BladeWorker
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First polls are just coming in now, CTV projected a WR majority based on their seat projection model to date.
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Quebec didn't vote for Harper and Co. Gonna have to ask the rest of Canada, we did our part and got nothing in return for it.
So much for David Suzuki schooling us for voting for Harper in 2008 (which was bullshit, people voted majoritarily for the Bloc). Is he going to come over and tell us we're the smart ones in the room this time? Nah of course not.
BladeWorker
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How can a cheap-ass, IVR, peculiarly sampled poll interpreted by media be so wrong?
Gee, I have no idea...
In somewhat similar type of news, you should definitely read this about Ignatieff and Quebec's independance.
In an interview with the BBC Ignatieff said he believes that the powers Canada gave us (education, healthcare, immigration) will eventually lead to our independance. Harper tried to damage control it quickly :lol
BladeWorker
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In Alberta news:
CTV AB has:
PC leading/elected in 50
WR leading/elected in 21
LIB l/e in 2
NDP l/e in 2
75/87 ridings reporting
Still with only few polling stations reporting. Going to be another hour.
*UPDATE* 10:54PM EDT
Leading or elected: PC58/WR21/NDP4/LIB3 84/87 reporting.
*UPDATE* 10:58PM EDT
Leading or elected 60/20/4/3; all ridings reporting.
CTV AB has declared PC government. I'm going to bed.
CTV AB has:
PC leading/elected in 50
WR leading/elected in 21
LIB l/e in 2
NDP l/e in 2
75/87 ridings reporting
Still with only few polling stations reporting. Going to be another hour.
*UPDATE* 10:54PM EDT
Leading or elected: PC58/WR21/NDP4/LIB3 84/87 reporting.
*UPDATE* 10:58PM EDT
Leading or elected 60/20/4/3; all ridings reporting.
CTV AB has declared PC government. I'm going to bed.
Ether_Snake
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It's not the transfer of powers that would lead to independence, it's the type of government Canada has: the F-35 purchases, the abolition of the gun registry, the attitude towards the environment, etc. Of course in such a scenario, with the powers having been transferred already, it wouldn't take much to separate, compared to if all powers had remained in the federal government's hands, but then if the later was the case we would have already split precisely because of that.
Sorry, IVR?
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