Wow I'm getting flashbacks of the 2014 Scottish Independence movement when I was told I hated the English for voting "Yes" which couldn't be further from the truth.
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Catalonia to split from Spain within 48 hours of secession vote
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Wow I'm getting flashbacks of the 2014 Scottish Independence movement when I was told I hated the English for voting "Yes" which couldn't be further from the truth.
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Your anecdotal evidence has convinced me amigo. Sadly the fascist hard data of the most important catalonian political leaders insulting Spanish people, including actual president de la Generalitat, Carles Puigdemont saying that they will "eliminate invasors" speaking about Spanish people http://www.lavanguardia.com/politica/20160110/301312120981/frase-polemica-carles-puigdemont.html contradicts you.
Lamentabla.
psychowave
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Sorry, I don't know
I'm just watching it on TV. He's just blaming Catalonian politicians. Nothing said about police brutality so far.MistakenMobius
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Wow ,
In Belgium i get ad for the vlaams belang on this thread.
Not a good look on the secessionist.
In Belgium i get ad for the vlaams belang on this thread.
Not a good look on the secessionist.
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Are there quotes of Scotish leaders calling English people inferiors?? Is Scotland richer than the rest of the UK?? I dont think so.
Sorry, I don't know
I found it on Euronews, no worries
Also what is he babbling about most Catalans not voting, no-one knows how many did yet...
Relaxed Muscle
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Rajoy is the worst president we ever had == confirmed, and we had Aznar...
This conference is pure shit, I can't even keep listening.
This conference is pure shit, I can't even keep listening.
MistakenMobius
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Isn't he like prime minister?
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Yeah, the movement was only xenophobic for twenty years, actually until he was found guilty of malversation a couple of years ago and the party tried to separate.
And please, dont let me get started about declarations of CUP political leadres.
mocolostrocolos
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Any numbers we get are gonna be false.
The system has been down several times, people have voted even four times... no one can tell the actual number of participants in this illegal shitstorm.
Patrick S.
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Firmeza y serenidad: porrazo limpio.
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Your actual facts are overwhelming me
psychowave
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Oh, and he's not taking questions either if I'm not mistaken. God forbid he has to say anything on his own instead of reading a speech some clown wrote for him.
Lol, he fucking thanked the police and Guardia Civil. Horrendous. We live in a fascist state.
Lol, he fucking thanked the police and Guardia Civil. Horrendous. We live in a fascist state.
mocolostrocolos
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Rajoy lost twice against the worst President of our democracy.
That fact speaks for itself.
Spains prime minister is called "presidente" so we just called him president in english even if the correct translation would be prime minister as it is a parliamentary government.
Our best president is still ZP kinda funny in some ways.
That too. It's basically impossible to verify the numbers.
mocolostrocolos
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Hahahaha, oh wow.
Daffy Duck
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Wow! Thats madness.
In Spain the PM has the title of the "President of the Government", and it is called president. But he's the PM.
Barajas_201
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Men, today was such a bad day for Spain, I just feel like listing to sad Mecano songs now...
Dude, stop with your lies, for your own good:
- Pujol ruled Catalunya for 20 years
- He was never an independentist
- His party leaned to independence when the movement rose, by then he was out
- His party got divided in two, he was leaning more towards the part that's now virtually extinct
You're basically saying that everybody inside a party has the exact same of ideas or are the same entity. Also you show a huge ignorance towards what happened in CiU (now PDCAT).
I say it again: this is an old popular movement (that may have been initiated at the end of the XIX century by the bourgeoisie, I won't say no, but that movement spread to the masses) that current politicians are riding as their own. When they are kicked out, and trust me they will, the movement will stay. You don't fix that by imprisoning the leaders, as they are just representatives.
You should focus your obvious rage to the PP govt for destroying spanish democracy by ruling the Constitutional Tribunal and the Justice in general, effectively declaring null the separation of powers in the State and therefore making the rulings by the CT in the last 12 years wet paper.
Patrick S.
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Better Heroes del Silencio. "te puedes vender, pero yo no tengo la culpa de verte caer".
I mean we really had a shitshow of presidents when we are comparing with Aznar and Felipe Gonzalez who both did reaaaally shitty things.
psychowave
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I feel so disgusted and upset right now. I don't know what to say. This response from Rajoy was just appalling. I've never been more sad and ashamed of being Spanish.
Patrick S.
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"España va bien."
mocolostrocolos
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You can tell we are. But not from ourselves. We're ashamed of the rulers we have, who have led us into this unpleasing situation.
mocolostrocolos
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Adolfo Suárez.
As spanish I feel bad for today. Theres a lot of terrible stuff happening that is the result of our terrible politicians:
- first the recerendum isnt even valid by the own catalonians that didnt vote for their representatives to have a good enough force to pass the bill on the referendum so they totally made this up, but bad also by the opposing force that having the right to stop it didnt move a muscle and left it out to our "brilliant" president. We are seeing the results of that today.
- second the central goverment covers themselves on spanish constitution that is old as hell (most living spanish didnt vote it)...a constitution that punish people for trying to...vote? On a democracy?...wth. there should be a rule that allows referendums, let the people vote ffs. Make a rule 66%, 80% of votes to pass? Whatever but make the change. So we dont have to see images of police attacking old people on tv anymore.
I feel sorry for civilization today.
- first the recerendum isnt even valid by the own catalonians that didnt vote for their representatives to have a good enough force to pass the bill on the referendum so they totally made this up, but bad also by the opposing force that having the right to stop it didnt move a muscle and left it out to our "brilliant" president. We are seeing the results of that today.
- second the central goverment covers themselves on spanish constitution that is old as hell (most living spanish didnt vote it)...a constitution that punish people for trying to...vote? On a democracy?...wth. there should be a rule that allows referendums, let the people vote ffs. Make a rule 66%, 80% of votes to pass? Whatever but make the change. So we dont have to see images of police attacking old people on tv anymore.
I feel sorry for civilization today.
Schadenfreude
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This motherfucker working really hard to try and give Trump a run for his money.
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The facts is that the major nationalistic movement in Catalonia was lead by a racist person, if you think that a man that governed the region for twenty fucking years doesn't represent the way of thinking of their voters you may also well believe that most nazis that voted for Hitler weren't antisemitic.
Also, there are other racist statements by the actual president of Catalonia or Carme Forcadell, the Catalonian Parliament president, you can say that they don't represent what most nationalist catalans think, and I believe that many aren't racist, but a lot of them are, as shown by their leaders
Nationalism is a fucking cancer that has killed millions and is in their way of causing a civil war, or in the best case, the total economic misery of both Spain and specially Catalonia, so well done.
There possibly is just as there's probably quotes of English politicians doing the same to Scots, there's ignorant arseholes on each side and no of course we're not, we're a wealthy country but miles behind the output of England but I don't know what the wealth of the region has to do with my reply to you considering it had nothing to do with the post I quoted of yours. If I'd wanted to discuss the economic output of Catalonia I would have mentioned it or quoted a more relevant post.
My ire was mostly directed towards you tarring an entire secessionist movement and the supporters of said movement of being rich xenophobes who hate all Spaniards, which is pish poor patter and I don't see you backing it up with any sources, probably because you know it's pure shite.
Soraya Saenz de Santamaria , Spanish vice president, justifying the agression as a moderate and proportional action against people who only wanted to vote:
https://twitter.com/Juanmi_News/status/914538690936016899
Priceless.
https://twitter.com/Juanmi_News/status/914538690936016899
Priceless.
Rajoy was brief, there's football now and that's more important than this little thing that happened today. He said that a "few" were trying to silence the majority. I suppose the retard referred to the cops there.
@Tempus fugit stop embarrassing yourself, you are getting all your facts wrong and you have no fucking idea what the definition of racism is. For fucks sake.
@Tempus fugit stop embarrassing yourself, you are getting all your facts wrong and you have no fucking idea what the definition of racism is. For fucks sake.
psychowave
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Lol Pedro Sánchez blaming police violence solely on Rajoy and Puigdemont. Even if they were just "following orders" they didn't need to injure over 400 people, what the fuck.
So far Pablo Iglesias has been the only one to give a semi decent response to this shitshow. I don't even wanna know what Albert Rivera is thinking, if he's even capable of thinking at all.
I need a drink. Or a lot of cute cat videos. Maybe both.
So far Pablo Iglesias has been the only one to give a semi decent response to this shitshow. I don't even wanna know what Albert Rivera is thinking, if he's even capable of thinking at all.
I need a drink. Or a lot of cute cat videos. Maybe both.
The agressions were out of proportion. They were aggreding 70+ yo elders and fathers with their sons. They were literally kicking people down the stairs on electoral college. Pure brutality.
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Well, read me again, tired of repeating myself, although knowing that you're an Scotish who voted for independence...
Yeah was thinking maybe he was the best, but goes to say that it had to be someone who was part of the dictatorship and whose best record is "not fucking things up in the start"
If they followed the political route there was no way the secesionism was winning. Nowadays with all this... is point of no return. Rajoy made independent movement because his pure incompetence.
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...did you miss something? Catalonia literally isn't allowed to vote on it by Spain.
You know, it's language like yours that starts wars. For all your alleged hatred of "nationalism" you instead adopt a stridently pro-Spanish Nationalist line. Tone it down.
mocolostrocolos
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I still think the first four years of Aznar were the best of our democracy, but then it went downhill in 2000 when they achieved majority.
He knows Catalunya is lost and now wants to cement his power everywhere else. It's a lose-lose situation for the people as he fell right into the independentists' trap for his own political gain.
This thing could've been handled 5-10 years ago, now it's unstoppable.
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