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[LordOcidax]

Too many wins for us Playstation folks

Edit: Pro alone almost defeated Xbox series lineup in US! I bet WW Pro is selling better than Xbox

Where is my boy LordOcidax

L for what?

 

[Luminoth-4545]

So Switch outsold PS2 in US and Japan, in the two biggest markets, but how the hell PS2 is still far ahead in the total sales number?!?!

Sony just updated PS2 total sales number to 160M last month conveniently.....so now we all know that's total bullshit, more like 150M

Rest of the world sales were unusually high for PS2 (South America, Western Asia). Also Europe sales were 55 million for PS2 and Nintendo has shipped 37.52 million Switch's to Europe as of September 30th 2024, so considerably behind in Europe.

 

[LordOcidax]

Switch UP YoY? Or i am missing something…

 

[Kacho]

Yeah, you'd expect dollar sales to be up when the thing costs 800. Units being 12% lower is interesting.

 

[onQ123]

November 2024 Estimates

PS5: 1220k
NSW: 700k
XBS: 430K

November 2023 for comparison

PS5: 1050k
XBS: 580k
NSW: 570k

Surprised to see PS5 grow this year

Utter collapse for Xbox

It’s over

If Switch had a 3% decline how did the sales go from 570k to 700k? Was the price that much different this year vs last year?

 

[yazenov]

Veilguard dragging in at #10 - and that's with heavy discounts at all major retailers throughout most of the month.

I remember last month people were giving it the benefit of the doubt since it launch was calculated in the tracker for a couple of days? for October.

Now we can say without a doubt it under preformed, especially since EA didn't give us any sales update for the game. Their silence is confirmation that it flopped.

That fool Jason Schreier put out that dump tweat of the chuds getting owned prematurely and deleting it like a coward. Such a cuck.

 

[xenosys]

Do FFVII Rebirth pre-orders on Steam get added to next month's YTD sales or included as part of January 2025 when it releases on PC?

 

[Luminoth-4545]

Switch UP YoY? Or i am missing something…

For units, yes.

 

[Ronin_7]

If Switch had a 3% decline how did the sales go from 570k to 700k? Was the price that much different this year vs last year?

Guys coming up with the sales numbers are full of shit.

 

[Luminoth-4545]

If Switch had a 3% decline how did the sales go from 570k to 700k? Was the price that much different this year vs last year?

Yes, many retails were selling Oleds for $275 and Standard for $225 whilst also including a game. Standalone software also saw big discounts, for example Tears of the Kingdom being slashed from $70 to $40 on Black friday meant it got back into the Nintendo charts, many other 1st party titles were close to half price on Black Friday as well.

 

[LordOcidax]

For units, yes.

Damn, that’s impressive. Looks like is going to dominate the christmas season then.

 

[Unknown?]

Would like to see how close PSVR2 got to Xbox. Other countries has it nipping at its heals. Probably sold more than the Pro.

 

[onQ123]

Yeah, you'd expect dollar sales to be up when the thing costs 800. Units being 12% lower is interesting.

The hell did you get $800 from? And don't say the disc drive because that goes into Accessories.


PS4 Pro was $399 & PS5 Pro is $699 that's about 75% increase in price which gave them a 50% increase while selling 12% less . What's so interesting about the 12% decrease?

 

[Three]

Damn, that’s impressive. Looks like is going to dominate the christmas season then.

You have a very warped definition of "dominate".

 

[adamsapple]

Nobody wants a PS5 Pro

I mean .. kinda ?

It sold less than PS4 Pro comparatively, just higher dollar amount cause of the almost 2x price tag.

 

[Kacho]

The hell did you get $800 from? And don't say the disc drive because that goes into Accessories.


PS4 Pro was $399 & PS5 Pro is $699 that's about 75% increase in price which gave them a 50% increase while selling 12% less . What's so interesting about the 12% decrease?

It shows less demand for the refresh this gen. The coming months will tell us the real story.

 

[LordOcidax]

You have a very warped definition of "dominate".

More units sales.

 

[Unknown?]

I mean .. kinda ?

It sold less than PS4 Pro comparatively, just higher dollar amount cause of the almost 2x price tag.

The percentage of units was much smaller than the percentage in price increase though.

 

[Katatonic]

Only good news for Xbox this month is that there looks to have been good growth in Gamepass. Wish we got an exact %.

Trust me bro.

 

[adamsapple]

The percentage of units was much smaller than the percentage in price increase though.

PS5 Pro's marketing has arguably been much more prominent than PS4 Pro's did, so it selling less regardless shows that there's less demand for it now compared to then. Large price tag probably being one bit detrimental factor.

 

[EverydayBeast]

We knew cod would be #1

 

[yazenov]

Sales-Age - Circana (NPD) November 2023: #1 COD MWIII #2 Spider-Man 2 #3 Hogwarts Legacy; PS5 #1 Units + Revenue, XBS #2 Units + Revenue

State of the market U.S. consumer spending on video game content, hardware and accessories fell 7% when compared to a year ago, to $5.9 billion. The decline was driven by a 24% drop in hardware spending and a 3% dip in content. November video game content spending dropped 3% when compared to a...

www.neogaf.com

Xbox declined - 29 % from a decline of - 20% last year. Yikes!

 

[onQ123]

I mean .. kinda ?

It sold less than PS4 Pro comparatively, just higher dollar amount cause of the almost 2x price tag.

That's what you're running with?

It's 75% more but only sold 12% less & brought in 50% more not including the sales of the disc drive.


Xbox Series released new models this year & sales still dropped 29%

 

[XXL]

True, but from a consumer perspective I don't think there has ever been a console that so desperately needed a price cut as much as Xbox Series. I think the problem is Microsoft already losing money on the thing and don't want to go further in the hole. I'm guessing they know they are never going to build an install base large enough to justify the losses.

I came across a thread on Reddit about the Xbox not being discounted basically anywhere in the EU. It's barely even being stocked. It's starting to look like its going to be discontinued there.

https://www.reddit.com/r/xbox/s/Q7ds1hbCbr

Read the thread a few different people explain the situation in their country.

 

[Thief1987]

Sales-Age - Circana (NPD) November 2023: #1 COD MWIII #2 Spider-Man 2 #3 Hogwarts Legacy; PS5 #1 Units + Revenue, XBS #2 Units + Revenue

State of the market U.S. consumer spending on video game content, hardware and accessories fell 7% when compared to a year ago, to $5.9 billion. The decline was driven by a 24% drop in hardware spending and a 3% dip in content. November video game content spending dropped 3% when compared to a...

www.neogaf.com

Xbox declined - 29 % from a decline of - 20% last year. Yikes!

But PS5 Pro is in less demand than PS4 Pro! Take that!

 

[adamsapple]

That's what you're running with?

It's 75% more but only sold 12% less & brought in 50% more not including the sales of the disc drive.

It's 12% less in launch month, will be interesting to revisit in 3, 5 months. Keep in mind PSVR 2 also reportedly had a strong launch relative to PSVR1 but look how it fizzled out completely after a few months.

Xbox Series released new models this year & sales still dropped 29%

That wasn't a mid gen refresh tho, it was just a different SKU.

 

[onQ123]

Yes, many retails were selling Oleds for $275 and Standard for $225 whilst also including a game. Standalone software also saw big discounts, for example Tears of the Kingdom being slashed from $70 to $40 on Black friday meant it got back into the Nintendo charts, many other 1st party titles were close to half price on Black Friday as well.

But there is discounts every year was the discount a lot bigger this year?

 

[SneakersSO]

Only good news for Xbox this month is that there looks to have been good growth in Gamepass. Wish we got an exact %.

There wasn't. They haven't had anything truly resembling growth in years.

 

[Astray]

Do FFVII Rebirth pre-orders on Steam get added to next month's YTD sales or included as part of January 2025 when it releases on PC?

When it releases I think, given that preorders can be cancelled at any point.

 

[LordOcidax]

YoY +/- % by units sales

Switch UP 22%
PS5 Up 16%
Xbox DOWN 34%

 

[Topher]

PS5 Pro's marketing has arguably been much more prominent than PS4 Pro's did, so it selling less regardless shows that there's less demand for it now compared to then. Large price tag probably being one bit detrimental factor.

Only 12% difference given the price difference is impressive. Are you really trying to spin this as negative?

 

[GHG]

I loved the OG Xbox and the 360 and what MS did in those gens... and it's sad to see it go out like this. At least Sega left the hardware market with a great console and awesome games.

Sega left with dignity.

I've never experienced or seen Microsoft exit a market with dignity, they aways somehow manage to make a mess of it and leave a trail of destruction behind.

In this case though, I don't think it has any I'll-intent at this stage. I think they genuinely want to try and make as much of the existing Xbox library "play anywhere" via their PC store so that when they try and transition what's left in terms of their customers over to PC they will be able to access their existing libraries there. The big problem now though is that they are in somewhat of a race against time.

What comes first? - Satya unceremoniously pulling the plug, or them managing to get a large enough percentage of the Xbox library under a dual license agreement (Xbox + PC) in order to prevent public backlash? Going to be interesting to see, that's for sure.

I think the challenge they will face at the moment is that most publishers will see through the whole "add your game to our PC store and by the way, please make it play anywhere" thing and demand a huge wad of cash up front in order to agree to it.

 

[adamsapple]

Only 12% difference given the price difference is impressive. Are you really trying to spin this as negative?

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Pointing out that it's sold less than PS4 Pro is not spin, it's what's being reported.

 

[Unknown?]

PS5 Pro's marketing has arguably been much more prominent than PS4 Pro's did, so it selling less regardless shows that there's less demand for it now compared to then. Large price tag probably being one bit detrimental factor.

Seems the same to me for marketing, and weren't people arguing that the 4 Pro made more sense because it was when 4K was taking over? 4 Pro had marketing on its side.

That's what you're running with?

It's 75% more but only sold 12% less & brought in 50% more not including the sales of the disc drive.


Xbox Series released new models this year & sales still dropped 29%

It's okay, math is hard. Didn't they say the same about Portal?

 

[Kacho]

Sales-Age - Circana (NPD) November 2023: #1 COD MWIII #2 Spider-Man 2 #3 Hogwarts Legacy; PS5 #1 Units + Revenue, XBS #2 Units + Revenue

State of the market U.S. consumer spending on video game content, hardware and accessories fell 7% when compared to a year ago, to $5.9 billion. The decline was driven by a 24% drop in hardware spending and a 3% dip in content. November video game content spending dropped 3% when compared to a...

www.neogaf.com

Xbox declined - 29 % from a decline of - 20% last year. Yikes!

I can't imagine they anticipated this much of a decline in their strongest market. It's really bad.

 

[Topher]

?

Pointing out that it's sold less than PS4 Pro is not spin, it's what's being reported.

Eh...nothing about "marketing" was reported and you are using that to downplay Pro's success. Yeah...that's spin.

 

[DeepEnigma]

True, but from a consumer perspective I don't think there has ever been a console that so desperately needed a price cut as much as Xbox Series. I think the problem is Microsoft already losing money on the thing and don't want to go further in the hole. I'm guessing they know they are never going to build an install base large enough to justify the losses.

Imagine where'd they be if they never gave away the Series S with all those deep dive discounts the past several years.

 

[onQ123]

Seems the same to me for marketing, and weren't people arguing that the 4 Pro made more sense because it was when 4K was taking over? 4 Pro had marketing on its side.

It's okay, math is hard. Didn't they say the same about Portal?

Nah adamsapple is smarter than that he is playing the same game the guy that said it was $800 is playing.

 

[Humdinger]

I remember last month people were giving it the benefit of the doubt since it launch was calculated in the tracker for a couple of days? for October.

Now we can say without a doubt it under preformed, especially since EA didn't give us any sales update for the game. Their silence is confirmation that it flopped.

Yeah, it debuted at #7 with 3 days on the chart in October, but we couldn't say much based on just 3 days. Now it's had a full month, with 30% markdown nearly everywhere most of the month. It only managed to reach #10.

Along with everything else we know - Steam numbers, leaks, lack of PR boasting, slashing prices so early - it's clear that the game underperformed.

 

[GHG]

?

Pointing out that it's sold less than PS4 Pro is not spin, it's what's being reported.

Do you care to comment on anything else that's "sold less"?

 

[Kacho]

Nah adamsapple is smarter than that he is playing the same game the guy that said it was $800 is playing.

The 7 and 8 are right next to each other. It's a simple typo.

I'm not playing btw. The PS5 Pro being down 12% is interesting. I'm very curious to see how it does in the coming months since launch is where most of the demand is.

 

[onQ123]

PS5 Pro is most likely the reason Sony was able to price cut the Slim so much this year & still walk away with a increase.

 

[Topher]

Seems the same to me for marketing, and weren't people arguing that the 4 Pro made more sense because it was when 4K was taking over? 4 Pro had marketing on its side.

Trying to recall what marketing there has been at all for Pro. You had Cerny's reveal and then Sony left the rest up to folks like DF which could hardly be called "marketing". What am I missing?

 

[XXL]

The 7 and 8 are right next to each other. It's a simple typo.

I'm not playing btw. The PS5 Pro being down 12% is interesting. I'm very curious to see how it does in the coming months since launch is where most of the demand is.

The biggest test for the PS5 Pro demand is going to be GTA VI and how it sells next holiday based on that.

 

[Woopah]

There wasn't. They haven't had anything truly resembling growth in years.

If overall subscription revenue went up 8%, and that was driven by COD on Gamepass, doesn't that mean there has to be at least some Gamepass growth?

 

[Synastry]

Do you care to comment on anything else that's "sold less"?

That would go against his marching orders from mother Microsoft.

 

[adamsapple]

Eh...nothing about "marketing" was reported and you are using that to downplay Pro's success. Yeah...that's spin.

Nah. My post didn't even say anything about marketing reporting, it's just an observation based on simply seeing the level of discussion and promotion around either console launches.

Regardless, it's sold 12% less and it will be interesting to see if it sells 20% of the total share in a year or two, which I don't think it will.

If overall subscription revenue went up 8%, and that was driven by COD on Gamepass, doesn't that mean there has to be at least some Gamepass growth?

Yes, article pretty much says that:

The release of Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 as part of Xbox Game Pass was again the primary growth driver.

If CoD on game pass was the primary growth driver on that overall 8% growth on all non-mobile subs, that means there would be a notable increase in just GP as well (this includes Plus, Switch Online, GP and others(?))

Do you care to comment on anything else that's "sold less"?

I see 3 successful Xboxes.

 

[GHG]

If overall subscription revenue went up 8%, and that was driven by COD on Gamepass, doesn't that mean there has to be at least some Gamepass growth?

A revenue increase when they are railroading people towards a new more expensive tier in order to gain access to new games like COD isn't necessarily indicative of the total number of subscribers increasing.

I think they may well have seen an increase in subs (if they didn't then it's a disaster), but that 8% increase in spending won't all be from new or returning subscribers.

 

[onQ123]

The 7 and 8 are right next to each other. It's a simple typo.

I'm not playing btw. The PS5 Pro being down 12% is interesting. I'm very curious to see how it does in the coming months since launch is where most of the demand is.

How is it interesting? PS5 Pro is $300 more than PS4 Pro but only sold 12% less that's pretty good

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

Now imagine the Xbox massacre in PAL charts, my god.

3:1 in USA, Xbox' strongest market by far, was not on my bingo card for this gen.