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Concord is being taken offline on September 6, purchases refunded
Bernardougf
Member
Yeah people downplaying the importance of DEI and WOKE practices are not paying attention to what happened and it is happening to the movie/series side of entertainment.... its just that games take 5 - 8 years to make... and the woke games wave is getting here exactly when finally the mainstream costumer "woke" up (no pun intended) for this shit ... woke is now a mainstream affair... even my 65 year old father knows what this shit is
intheinbetween
Member
Well, no one expected Red Fall to have such a strong challenger coming a few months later
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Cant wait to see what their adjustments are. No doubt they seem eager to keep the game alive sometime in the future.
F2P is the logical first step to maximize player count asap. But for the rest of the stuff from graphics, character designs, colours, modes, cringey one liners, it'll be interesting to see how much and how far they adjust.
Kacho
Gold Member
His question wasn’t about games that never reached the market. A flop of this magnitude for a released game is unprecedented. I mean, maybe that THQ Udraw game is comparable but I doubt it. Sony spent a pretty penny on this and now they’re refunding everyone. Just brutal.
Being F2P wouldn’t have saved this turd either. It had negative hype, which we saw with the open beta. Very curious to see what happens at Sony now. You don’t eat a loss like this without major internal changes.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Probably, they would need to make it a new IP
I honestly think it’s better if they became support studio for Bungie
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
Game design back then:
Come up with a cool, fun concept for a game.
Create endearing and memorable characters that the audience is excited to play with.
Release it in a couple years.
Improve and expand on your ideas in a sequel.
Game design now:
Look at the most profitable games and try to make something kinda like that.
Create characters by going down a DEI checklist, and make them all ugly and non-gendered to appease the fat ugly activist types.
Spend 8 years developing it.
Release it long after the trends you were chasing got stale and tiresome.
Studio closures and layoffs.
Come up with a cool, fun concept for a game.
Create endearing and memorable characters that the audience is excited to play with.
Release it in a couple years.
Improve and expand on your ideas in a sequel.
Game design now:
Look at the most profitable games and try to make something kinda like that.
Create characters by going down a DEI checklist, and make them all ugly and non-gendered to appease the fat ugly activist types.
Spend 8 years developing it.
Release it long after the trends you were chasing got stale and tiresome.
Studio closures and layoffs.
Draugoth
Gold Member
It's likely what's going to happen. Everything points out that they are quietly shutting this down
diffusionx
Gold Member
This is a much bigger failure than Redfall
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Not so sure, Helldivers 2 was a massive success that easily eats this loss
I think HD2 was unexpected for them, so why would heads need to roll when the GaaS strategy is effectively lottery like?
Salz01
Member
I don’t know how they come back from this epic fail. The name is tarnished. They would have to reset most if not all their characters, which they already did so many pre rendered videos for. Actually introduce a progression system that people care about. Actual core gameplay is solid. All the shit surrounding it needs to be redone.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Fbh
Gold Member
Incredible. Any day now, this game will have more players than Concord.
Well since it's getting shut down it will also officially have both fewer active players and a lower all time peak than
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James Sawyer Ford
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GHG
Gold Member
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
I think he’s been on stage 3 today. He’s been trying to sell us on Suicide Squad all day.
We'll get there bro, already at stage 2!
SkylineRKR
Member
Just bury it. There is no point in releasing the game with this name, this characters, this art direction and this premise. Not F2P either; almost no one was willing to give it a whirl. This game won't recover. Its way too tainted.
And bury Firewalk too. They aren't going to bring anything in for Sony.
kazuyamishima
Member
MANY doubted that a person like Totoki was needed as Head of Playstation, but the time is giving him reason.
I have hopes that he will change course.
I have hopes that he will change course.
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Hawking Radiation
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FoxMcChief
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TheRedRiders
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diffusionx
Gold Member
They didn't put out Helldivers 2 to cover up for the failure of Concord. They have to change the processes that led to this game being fully funded and released.
Your line in these threads seems to be that it only cost Sony a couple thousand bucks to make the game anyway and nobody really cared and it's all a coin flip so who cares. Which is such a strange line to take for a total, definitive failure the likes of which we just haven't seen. I don't know how much Redfall cost, but I bet Concord cost more.
Why, because it was a huge game with a massive team that they acquired late in development. It was a full, total game with modern-tier production values made in the late 2020s which means it had probably a $150-$200M cost. It had a full plan of very expensive cinematics made of which most of which are never going to be seen. I am sure there are lots of seasons, maps, characters, etc., all of which were being worked on when this game was cancelled. It's not some throwaway shit.
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digoutyoursoul
Member
Warhawk on PS3 was brilliant imo
SkylineRKR
Member
Except it is.
This means they need to change their approach when it comes to game development and not sell a tech demo or a shitty ass woke GaaS shooter.
FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
Such a waste of money and resources. Everyone involved in greenlighting this flop should be let go.
This is a game that had no business being made. So many other games they could have made but they ended up funding this trash and buying the studio even before launch. WTF were they smoking?
OGM_Madness
Member
The cancel culture got canceled.
SkylineRKR
Member
This is the point. They could uprez Warhawk, release it again and they have their fun GaaS shooter. Even MAG or SOCOM would work out better than Concord.
GHG
Gold Member
Even stuff that's more recent and that they still have the current studios/staff around for:
Killzone, resistance, uncharted, TLOU, Days Gone (this setting and theme would make for an excellent PVPVE game, whether it be extraction based or otherwise).
It just proves the people currently calling the shots there are so out of tune with what their customers actually want. Unfortunately this is all too common at the moment, they are just numbers men and don't understand how to attribute meaning to those numbers when they see something else doing well.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
They funded 12+ GaaS games knowing very well many (most) would fail and hope a few succeed
They don’t know which ones will succeed or fail, it’s random to a certain extent. No one thought HD2 would blow up
Short memories
Arkane was also a very large team that worked on Redfall for a very long time.
Concord was not a large team until recently, it’s a start up studio. They started small for a long time until they got funding seeds going and finally a publisher
So the difference is one studio slowly grew while the other was already large and in the payroll for many years
And it killed Arkane, a studio cherished for their immersive sim single player games
Redfall was the E3 mic drop closer announcement for crying out loud
What’s the greater loss here?
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Buggy Loop
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Oh shit I forgot about that
Holy shit that will be awkward
The game is cooked, it doesn't make any sense to work months to try to redesign a completely unappealing product into f2p, it means losing more money for the same result.
They knew that the gaas business is oversaturated and basically a lottery. They won with Helldivers 2, they lost with this.
The best thing they can do is not to waste further resources on this turd and use the team as a support studio to speed up development of other projects.
The management and marketing team surely have a lot to learn from the experience in the meantime.
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IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
History Professor?
I had no idea why people kept referencing professor.
Then I looked up "concord professor".
LMAO.
TrebleShot
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
The problem Sony had with many of those old PS3 shooters is that they had too many. Mny were rated solid, but when you got a zillion Sony first party shooters all fighting for PS3 shooter fans' time of course sales and online usage will be gimped.
At the time MS had Halo and Gears. And the big third party games were BF and COD.
If Sony focused on a few biggies like KZ and Resistance. Or MAG and SOCOM. Or Warhawk/Starhawk. Or kept doing those big PC big battlers like Planetside. Pick your combo. They had the quantity of franchises. But satuated their own franchises so much.
SkylineRKR
Member
I do think Sony did bet kind of big on Concord though. With that CG trailer, and the plan of character episodes give me the impression they were rather confident about it. And if you're confident in a project that looks like this trash, thats sort of worrying.
Rudius
Member
Good father you have.
Dynasty8
Member
It's funny how journalists can't admit that the majority of gamers are turned off by Concord's main cast being based on the "modern audience". I understand if they do so, every single one of them will lose their jobs in an instance.
Once again, it is not the ONLY reason Concord failed, but "appeal" and "packaging" of a product matters. It significantly matters.
If Black Myth Wukong had the main monkey character as an overweight furry with pink hair and pronouns with Gen Z dialogue, do you think it would help sales or hurt sales? Honest question.
Once again, it is not the ONLY reason Concord failed, but "appeal" and "packaging" of a product matters. It significantly matters.
If Black Myth Wukong had the main monkey character as an overweight furry with pink hair and pronouns with Gen Z dialogue, do you think it would help sales or hurt sales? Honest question.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Give the dev credit, but failed.Gonna miss her/him/them/it
Who knew including the long lost 5th TMNT would fail a game.
SkylineRKR
Member
This is a given, it would fail as F2P as well. And it needs continous support and investment. Likely for nothing. I mean, who is going to buy skins for these hideous characters? There is zero potential in this. Stellar Blade, First Descendant, I can see the appeal of MTX to consumers. But this game, no.
idk if I would want these guys have input on other projects tbh. Their views and ideas don't exactly resonate well. These are like Sweet Baby with development reins.
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
It's a woke-coded way of phrasing "thoughts and prayers,"
Expect lots of wishes of landing on feet, too.
It's defensive posturing, essentially. It evokes a person who was enlightened from the start, and knew that Firewalk was flying too close to the Sun, but the reciter was so in awe at the courageous flamboyant manner in which the studio was actively self immolating that they could do nothing to aid or protest. Only now, in post mortem, is it right to express that, while obvious to all of us, the enlightened few, this was a foregone conclusion - that your comrades here are among the GOOD GUYS out of the 100% of every human on earth who decided not to buy this. GOOD ONES, DAMN IT.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Yes, and the fact that they canceled many/most of them by now means that they assessed those games and determined they were not viable. The fact that Concord made it to release means that they did determine the game was going to be successful and sustainable and fill out their gaashit strategy. They're not just throwing darts at the wall FFS.
Look, here is Concord's credits:
Concord credits (PlayStation 5, 2024) - MobyGames
The official game credits for Concord released on PlayStation 5 in 2024. The credits include 1,964 people.
www.mobygames.com
Here is Redfall's:
Redfall credits (Windows, 2023) - MobyGames
The official game credits for Redfall released on Windows in 2023. The credits include 2,045 people.
www.mobygames.com
It's not that different. Thousands of people worked on both. Huge staffs o nboth teams and tons of contractors, VO, etc. A full game made by a studio in 2024 is going to cost you at least $100M, pretty much in every instance, and likely much more. Concord probably didn't cost as much as Spiderman 2 or Ragnarok but it also likely was not as far off as you think.
You could argue I guess, was Redfall a bigger deal to MS with GP than Concord was to Sony with gaashit, I don't know, but let me remind you that Concord will be literally unplayable by this weekend.
Slothbeing1209
Member
Dead game speedrun
mayham2199
Member
How do you even know this is true? I played the game. I thought it was mid at best and I could careless about the main cast and their designs. Gundam released a hero shooter a while back and it was mid also and I love Gundam but the game still failed. I doubt the majority of gamers even know this game exist.