Halo is Back
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That is not what he is saying. He is saying Kojima is surrounded by yes men
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Death Stranding Review Thread
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the with inferior gameplay but getting good scores because of the director name
There are lots of example of that in the meta page, as some people said, if it didn't have a acclaimed developer/label behind, it would receive lower scores.
He's a control freak, clearly, but if you have a problem with that is entirely up to how much you like his games. Some would say they would definitely be better with pushback, but there's no way to be sure of that after the fact. The only thing we have to go on is Konami pusing MGSV out the door and it certainly wasn't better for it.
Halo is Back
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I thought most fans liked that game? It wasn’t my cup of tea tbh
ROMhack
Member
I didn't like it either. Not a big fan of open world though really.
Ivellios
Member
I read/watched some reviews about it and im think im gonna give it a shot and buy it day one, which is something i rarely do, if only for the story alone and to support Kojima.
But that being said there are some things that kinda makes me fear if im gonna really enjoy the gameplay. For one thing i dont like heavy inventory management and crafting, which seems this game has lots of. Another thing is the exploration. While i like to explore games like Witcher, Zelda BoTW etc, i do it because you can always find something new, like a new sidequest, a new village, a new shrine etc.
Death Stranding world seems so very empty outside players constructions. The lack of combat in general in the game is also something im worried about.
But that being said there are some things that kinda makes me fear if im gonna really enjoy the gameplay. For one thing i dont like heavy inventory management and crafting, which seems this game has lots of. Another thing is the exploration. While i like to explore games like Witcher, Zelda BoTW etc, i do it because you can always find something new, like a new sidequest, a new village, a new shrine etc.
Death Stranding world seems so very empty outside players constructions. The lack of combat in general in the game is also something im worried about.
Halo is Back
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That was the biggest flaw with the game imo. I think it would have been 5X better if the chopper would have dropped you off AT the zone/compound you wanted to infiltrate
For an unfinished game it's pretty incredible. But you gotta be the type of person who can't stop themselves from playing around with systems for it to be fun. Anyone who wants a straightforward experience is fucked. DS is gonna be the same.
ethomaz
Banned
Maybe that was a the big X here.
Gamers today are used to straight forward games with easy mechanics that you rush to finish it.
I'm from SNES era and these games that have different mechanics with things you need to think a lot to find a solution is my cup of tea.
I'm interested in Dead Stranding after the reviews like no other game in years. In fact it seems like now GOTY content because I feel like I will love the mechanics.
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Dontspeakforme
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It's a form of mental illness. They are so attached to their thoughts/opinions that it becomes part of their identity.
If my opinion on games = my identity
Then attacking my opinion on games = attacking me.
Like I said, mental illness.
I always liked Metal Gear Solid of course. The movie that was four (I almost remember none of the gameplay) I still loved it. But I gained a completely new appreciation for the man when I found out that MGSV would be more at home gameplay wise next to Operation Flashpoint than Metal Gear. After hearing some discussions from people who liked it, not just reviews, I have no doubt that DS will be GOTY for almost everyone who "gets it" (and I'm not accusing anyone of anything if they don't, that'll just be up to personality and preference).
Hissing Sid
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Entertaining thread.
I really don’t think this game is for me but I’m really glad that it’s been made and hopefully a lot of people will enjoy playing it.
I think it’s really important these days that the medium has breadth and depth. Not everything needs to be stronguglywomanwithshorthairandgunzsimulator#345732.
I really don’t think this game is for me but I’m really glad that it’s been made and hopefully a lot of people will enjoy playing it.
I think it’s really important these days that the medium has breadth and depth. Not everything needs to be stronguglywomanwithshorthairandgunzsimulator#345732.
New Yorks Finest
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You @#$% kiddin me !!?? 
this thread has over 1k..for a goddamn review of the gm??!!
this thread has over 1k..for a goddamn review of the gm??!!Get used to it, this ain't going away any time soon, it's way too polarising. I think people will die forgetting to eat and drink when theorising about it on reddit.You @#$% kiddin me !!??
ethomaz
Banned
Kojima has as many lovers as haters.You @#$% kiddin me !!??
The game is actually fine I think... a good experience for these that like different type of games and a hateful experience for these that like the industry standard experience.
You will see a lot of threads of love and hate next month.
Plus it will be in both the GOTY and TOTY list on GAF.
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JareBear: Remastered
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You @#$% kiddin me !!??
its gonna end up over 2k imo
Death Stranding is a “civil war” title for gaming forums.
Miller’s “No Man’s Sky meets Metal Gear” comment has me re-hyped
FranXico
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There's a lot of built up anger over the years. They greatly identify themselves with the Xbox brand and felt robbed of "their" triumph in 2013.
Since then, everything that harms the competition in any way feels like a victory to them.
mejin
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hope people remember to save up energy for the sales thread lol
FranXico
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Oh I doubt this game is even going to chart. IGN killed its sales with that 6.8.
GrayChild
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the with inferior gameplay but getting good scores because of the director name
So pretty much in line with titles like Deadly Premonition and Pathologic 2 which are also highly experimental, quirky titles, but ended up being loved by a lot of people due to their uniqueness which compensates some of their shortcomings.
ethomaz
Banned
Some will focus only in one aspect of the game because it is bad.So pretty much in line with titles like Deadly Premonition and Pathologic 2 which are also highly experimental, quirky titles, but ended up being loved by a lot of people due to their uniqueness which compensates some of their shortcomings.
Other will look at others aspects and think that these others aspects makes the game truly special even when that one aspect is bad.
It seems like some gamers have a widen view that. others... that is fine.
For now I feel the good aspects are masterpieces and I want the try it to see if my feel ends true or not.
Day one.
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You're crazy. You have Rick & Morty doing ads for this game. It's a competitive month no doubt, but it'll definitely be top 5.
ethomaz
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I believe It will do easially over 500k in US NPD.
Err they include digital now so easily over 700k in US NPD.
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FranXico
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I would like to be proven wrong on this, sure. We'll see next week.
Endless Fluff
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You're right, but you're missing my point. Shenmue back then did things extremely different just like Death Stranding does now and people hated it for that, bringing up almost the same complaints.
Compared to anything else in that time, Shenmue was full of mundane shit and wonky controls. Yu Suzuki integrated all that pointless fluff because he thought it made the game more fun, but it didn't... however it did make it more immersive, so I can see that having to balance your luggage with the triggers in Death Stranding increases the immersion. Also picking up luggage when you fell down. It will be annoying, definetly... but so was opening drawers or having to go to work in Shenmue.
So my guess is that people who liked Shenmue (or even RDR2) are going to like Death Stranding.
Fallen Order hype is ramping up. You have people starting to predict it'll swoop GOTY as the competition is mostly a remake and a not uncontroversial From game. (Edit: also Pokemon is gonna sell like hot cakes)
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People are way too bound up with this idea that games need to be "fun". When by using that term all they are basically doing is drawing a circle and placing activities they enjoy within that circle, and those they don't outside of it.
The distinction for where these things fall is arbitrary. If you enjoy solving puzzles but hate twitchy action, but your friend likes action, but hates strategy, where's the "fun"?
Some people find joy in challenge and honing their skills and performance, while others just enjoy relaxing and being taken on a grand ride whilst retaining a modicum of control.
There is no absolute right and wrong unless you distill your judgement down to just what you prefer or find subjectively pleasurable. And if that's the case, why pretend to be interested in discussion? Because evidently you have that view of the world, and its all that matters.
The distinction for where these things fall is arbitrary. If you enjoy solving puzzles but hate twitchy action, but your friend likes action, but hates strategy, where's the "fun"?
Some people find joy in challenge and honing their skills and performance, while others just enjoy relaxing and being taken on a grand ride whilst retaining a modicum of control.
There is no absolute right and wrong unless you distill your judgement down to just what you prefer or find subjectively pleasurable. And if that's the case, why pretend to be interested in discussion? Because evidently you have that view of the world, and its all that matters.
Eiknarf
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Well I trust users- gamers-
Because of you guys here (users) I was introduced to some great games
I just wish there was a Metacritic User Verified section of reviews
Ovech-King
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Giving a game a 10/10 is such a dangerous thing to do because what happens if you play another game that you like more ?
People don't think before rating sometimes
People don't think before rating sometimes
You give the new one a ten as well and then make them fight to the death, because there can be only one. Make sure they know to cut the head off or it won't work.
I don't think Death Stranding is as striking as Shenmue was. Back then there was no other game even attempting to do what Shenmue was doing. I am still wondering what is so game-changing about Death Stranding.The mundane things you mention about Shenmue didn't happen all the time. Opening drawers wasn't that big of a deal - just a couple of button presses. It didn't require the player to frequently resort to a Tony Hawks-esque kind of balancing act, which appears to be the case with traversal in this game.
Perhaps the reason why these nuanced aspects of simulated walking and cargo carrying are often abstracted and taken out of the players direct control is because when you actually turn them into gameplay elements, it becomes grating in the long run. Of course, Kojima would say that these elements were abstracted in older games simply because the tech wasn't there.
Personally, I don't think the supposedly more "immersive" form of walking and package management found in Death Stranding is gonna catch on.
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ManaByte
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Death Stranding Review: A Beautiful Story Burdened By a Dull Game
Death Stranding, the highly anticipated game from famed developer Hideo Kojima, is an incredible piece of storytelling bogged down by a dull game.
collider.com
Manstructiclops
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The game is boring for the first 1/3rd, and than dull after that.Still a high quality game though. I would easily recommend Days Gone over RDR2, its not even close in my eyes.
RDR is just a better game and has the right mix, RDR2 although very high quality just can't hit the coolness and pacing of RDR, imo.
I played Days Gone about a week before I picked up RDR2. Couldn't agree more.
RDR2 is a pile of shit.
ManaByte
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RDR2 is more concerned with forcing you into slow talking sections to show off the environment than being a fun game
hollowcupra
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Death Stranding Review: A Beautiful Story Burdened By a Dull Game
Death Stranding, the highly anticipated game from famed developer Hideo Kojima, is an incredible piece of storytelling bogged down by a dull game.
This review is spot on.
hollowcupra
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also my stats. about 100hours in the game.
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The Cockatrice
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So how would you rate out of 10? I think the collider review felt very genuine and while I did not care about reviews I've changed my mind about buying the game at full price. I really have no issue traveling from one point to another for 40 hours but why the fuck didn't he add some unique stuff to find between point A and B besides some repetitive enemy encounters? Like give us some wildlife or some secret bases with cool story bits, or anything really. Wasted potential to be honest.
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SEGAvangelist
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That's why I'm more interested after the reviews. I may hate the game in the end, but I can't say I'm not excited to try it now.
Stuart360
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How stupid of them.
FranXico
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What is it you like and you don't like in the game?
Stuart360
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The amount of verbal gymnastics trying to turn this Fedex simulator into some kind of trencending high brow work of art, well its fascinating to see. Kojima is too pretentious, and like all so called 'geniuses', he needs to be brought down a peg or two. And if this is the game to do it, he will be all the better for it in the long run.
hollowcupra
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6, although i dont review games professionally, as a gamer i felt that the whole proccess was not enjoyable.
If i could describe my experience with few words those would be: The best game i've seen and at the same time the worst i've played.
The problem is that apart from the delivering stuff from point a to b there is nothing else, and the mechanics in between dont always work.
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
Yes it is, because as I pointed out "fun" parses out to different things for different people, hell even the same person depending on their mood and outlook can seek different entertainment experiences.
Sometimes fun for me is watching a somber realistic drama like Chernobyl, other times a good action flick, or a comedy or some dispsable fluff is what I enjoy.
So tell me this, why does every game have to be judged like a Marvel movie? A style of spectacle-driven populist entertainment that ultimately has all the substance of a theme-park.
FranXico
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The casual masses aren't aware of those things, they will just blindly buy whatever IGN tells them is good.
vpance
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It'll be interesting to see the impressions on DS of those who liked/hated RDR2. Both seem to be boring in different ways.
hollowcupra
Member
I loved the story, i loved the graphics, i loved the sound but hated playing it. As a side note i have more than 200 platinums so i have a basic understanding of playing games.
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