I sincerely have to wonder what purpose you serve in here when you obviously have no Pro and a history riddled with trolling.
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bring some form of entertainment (sincere, I know they're Xbox guys, but still). You? About as funny as cancer. At least up your tactics! 
Yea. We exclusive talked about RT mode here. The other mode is kinda irrelevant.
Exactly. People don't realize how difficult it is to get DLSS integration correct even now 6 years in! It's not just a blind plug n play type of thing. PSSR is still in it's infancy but has already shown to be transformative when used correctly. Much of the problems are a result of developers not taking the time to optimize, not updating to the latest version of PSSR, and not doing simple QA checks before release. If a game has shipped in the past on an older SDK version, it is not a trivial update to move to a newer SDK version with the latest PSSR version. Some changes may be required and another testing/QA pass as well.
Yes. It is.
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It's another form of real time illumination. It also includes indirect baked lighting and shadows, but even "RTGI" acronym usage games still use indirect baked lighting and shadows. We are not talking about complete ray traced lighting which most of those games don't use either.
I thought thats exactly what you were saying. If not, fine.
I dont think they can invent good news in patches for games that are simply bad. Jedi Survivor is the worst PC port ever and every single video they did for that game had that title. Should they have been balanced about it?
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But we need to war!Digital Foundry also pointed out that this is evolving tech. Some folks need to keep this in mind before throwing it all out the window. Imagine if Nvidia gave up with DLSS 1.0
"We need to take a closer look at PSSR across more games, but one thing to bear in mind is that similar to FSR and DLSS, this is an evolving technology and we should expect improvements to roll out as the generation progresses. "
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It does use PSSR, but not in its 120Hz or 8K mode. It discards it for TAAU in those modes.
Doesn't that just reek of telling them to take the lazy route? You do not have the Pro all figured out. None of us do, and we have plenty of test cases from a myriad of games and engines to show capabilities can be done in capable hands.
you dont need to be dev to see pssr is failing in this game and prepatch version looks better and runs better (with minor exceptions)
but why realese with this state as they didnt bother to make simplest comparison in literaly first scene of the game
It's amazing to me how time after time after time, dev priorities are completely misguided. I can bet they were told that PSSR was some sort of DLSS-like solution but in truth is more akin to a very demanding FSR solution. Maybe they were pressured to use this fancy new tech without knowing its apparent limitations? I think in general it's absolutely stupid when devs enable RT in games that aren't even 1080p. That shit won't matter when the game is a pixelated mess anyways. That stuff is added once you achieve that stable native resolution and frame rate. It seems like devs are getting a bit lost in the age of the countless upscalers. I believe they vastly overestimated the capabilities of PSSR, not prioritizing a high enough native resolution.This is so silly. Again this is the very first area in the game. Use your brain. You cant get to 60 fps locked because you added an expensive upscaling solution, MORE RT effects, even after reducing the base resolution to just 900p. Instead of the variable 864p-1152p. What should this tell you? Take out the extra RT effects, remove the expensive reconstruction solution and just stick with what you have. This way you can use more than just the extra 12% GPU to get a locked 60 fps. And at that point the rest would automatically, literally automatically go towards rendering at a higher resolution. So dumb.
When will devs realize that PSSR has a cost not just on the GPU but also vram bandwidth AND vram size. Just keep using TSR which is perfectly fine at higher resolutions. The quality mode runs at 1620p on the unpatched disc version which should be better than 4k fsr quality. Just use that.
Eh we've seen devs commit far greater blunders than this. They're not impeccable just because they worked on the game. A lot of this is completely new to them aswell. We don't know how extensive or rather non-extensive their testing was. And we don't know what confounders there were to include certain graphical features.
its not up to bloober to fix pssr algorithm tough for sure they should had check it how broken it is in their game before releasing update
We know all of this and i am clearly aware of this. DF has gone over it many times. We talked about F1, it is all about the main fidelity mode. It is also what people listed and refering here as it has RT issue with PSSR.
It does.
Then release it then when you have it all figured out. Meanwhile keep the current version running on TSR. There were plenty of people in the SH2 threads who were waiting to play this on the Pro. Now they have an even worse version.
It's up to Bloober to train the algorithm to their game and optimize it. Just as game devs and nVidia does with DLSS.
Digital Foundry also pointed out that this is evolving tech. Some folks need to keep this in mind before throwing it all out the window. Imagine if Nvidia gave up with DLSS 1.0
"We need to take a closer look at PSSR across more games, but one thing to bear in mind is that similar to FSR and DLSS, this is an evolving technology and we should expect improvements to roll out as the generation progresses. "
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So lets have them do better, which they acknowledged yesterday on X that there is an issue and they're working on it. This game might be where they iron out their optimization issues for their next new IP they're working on. And it should be.
I was going to say the same thing. I just don't understand the point of posts like this. They should be banned simple as thatI sincerely have to wonder what purpose you serve in here when you obviously have no Pro and a history riddled with trolling.
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It doesnt work as that since dlss 2 (april 2020)
You do know these problems will be patched in future days or weeks, right? It's not like it's some sort of hardware malfunction and now everyone is screwed.
What do you mean? Game devs literally patch their game optimized for DLSS and nVidia will have game specific DLSS patches in their drivers around game launches. It's not a set it and forget it system. It gets easier to optimize over time and it's far more mature, but games will still run into issues where they need patches and driver updates.
Agree with you here. If you can't make it look and run substantially better then what is the point if using this version of PSSR. stick with the base ps5 version and refine it.
You guys sound like that other place right now. Think about that for a minute.
They do some tweaks but training algorithm per game was pre dlss 2.0 version era, 4.5 years ago
The majority of the problematic enhancements are related to developers using a less mature version of PSSR tied to older versions of SDK. Results will improve with time.
nVidia literally driver updates every new big DLSS game launch with it in the patch notes. The point is, it's not set it and forget it.
I agree. Anything below 1080p should not be using Ray tracing. Problem is that UE5 defaults software lumen so it cant be disabled. I think devs need to just stop releasing 60 fps modes. They dont look good. 75% of ps5 owners are playing these terrible looking modes with half of the settings disabled or paired back.
Every PC gamer who can choose between TSR, FSR, XeSS, DLSS and just traditional Tv upscalers couldve taken one look at how PSSR was performing here and switched it out. you dont need to be a dev to see how poor it looks and literally switch out the plugin. we put devs on a pedestal because we think these are some incredibly difficult things to do. In UE5 projects, ive literally enabled DLSS by checking a box in some of the UE5 demos. It might not be that easy to plug-in PSSR since its new but i wouldnt be surprised if Sony worked with Epic to get this inserted as a plugin in the UE5 editor.
Well answer the question what's the point in that post?
Well lets hope it will as sony doesnt need good reprojection from 1440p as games already looks good from that res. They need good reconstruction in most demanding titles from low res as they are usualy looks very poor on base ps5.
I think what snc is trying to say is that the training doesnt work on a game by game basis anymore. Devs dont train the algorithm before their game comes out. It's solely nvidia's responsibility.
I've always been in the camp where RT should be a toggle or a separate mode. Not forced.
You clearly haven't been in a corp meeting before. Brains are optional, consensus is compulsory.
ive been in meetings where good ideas are shot down and yes, you are supposed to just shut up and fall in line.
