Ah sure. Such a pleasure to be stuck with FSR2/3 or blurred IQ in the 60 fps mode on base ps5.
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[Digital Foundry] Silent Hill f Review - PlayStation 5/PS5 Pro - Impressive On Base, Problems On Pro
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But ps5 pro outperforms base ps5. What are you talking about. Surely you can't avoid bad porting from mediocre studios.
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Bojji
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People are disappointed with their 700/750$, 800€ purchases (+ disc drive for many). I'm not surprised at all.
I'm not (that) disappointed, why? Because I never believed in Sony (or MLiD) bullshit. I got what I expected more or less.
But if I bought SHf disc before DF video I would be fucking pissed...
TSR for UE5 is quite competent, better than PSSR for sure.
They can contact devs, send their people to help or even... Improve PSSR algorithm. They choose not to do anything.
omegasc
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This is why the devs are at fault along with Sony. Just go with higher res, or a toggle. It's their game and they should present it the best way they can.
It's been known for a while that PSSR can do a good job but also has some crappy flaws.
TSR is better than PSSR only when it's not used properly lol. And what a stupidity you say. If the developers have a problem they should for first contact Sony not wait them, Sony can't knew it it's not omniscient.
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Buggy Loop
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That's fucking rich coming from you after how much you spammed the switch 2 Star Wars outlaws threads trying to promote dear Sony you fanboy.
Bojji
Gold Member
So looks like PSSR was (almost) never used properly in UE5...
Only UE5 game that have minimal flaws is Wukong for some reason, they used UE 5.0 and had to port PSSR from much newer engine version.
Reported. Never said a single time switch 2 is a shit hardware don't dare to put in my mouth such falsity.
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Buggy Loop
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Report over calling out your hypocrisy?
Mods just have to follow your trail of posts to see how much console warring you've done all over this place for dear Sony leader. It's pathetic.
Doctor Hades
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It does look like PSSR was not finished and likely at a beta stage, or possibly even alpha, when the PS5 Pro released with developers likely using even older builds since it takes time to implement these kind of things into games.
I suspect that Sony or perhaps Mark Cerny then realised that PSSR wasn't quite good enough and this is why they started the collaboration with AMD to bring a version of FSR4 to the PS5 Pro sometime in 2026 that will supposedly be a drop in and replace option allowing for easy upgrading of existing games that use PSSR. That's still a long time to wait on a promise of something better and in the meantime it looks we have to put up with games from publishers who opt for a single mode on Pro over the two Quality/Performance modes on the base system.
At the very least, since Sony presumably certify these games for publishing on their consoles, should be enforcing that the Pro version of any game should have the existing modes from the base PS5 version, with optional enhancements to resolution and graphical settings, a PSSR on/off option (if PSSR is used) along with any additional modes (such as RT ones) that developers might want to add for Pro.
Nothing annoys me more than playing a game on my PS5 Pro and finding out that it only has one single flawed graphics mode whereas on PS5 it has two but there is no option on Pro to use those. The salt in the wound is then finding out that it runs worse and/or looks worse due to PSSR with no option to turn it off. I thought we were past all this when the console launched and publishers like Ubisoft were doing the whole single mode thing on Pro and multiple modes on PS5 before they patched them to allow for PSSR etc to be turned on/off?
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To be fair PSSR MGSDelta also is not that bad after the last update. The wobbling effect on the vegetation is not remotely bad as this game showed, is more subtle.
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Waiting about what? Because I always dare to say the switch 2 isn't a miraculous hardware hurting your feeling? And you entered in this thread to have your revenge? Are you sure it's me the pathetic one there? Differently to you with the switch 2, I never thought to ps5 pro as an incredible machine.Report over calling out your hypocrisy?
Mods just have to follow your trail of posts to see how much console warring you've done all over this place for dear Sony leader. It's pathetic.
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Mr Moose
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To answer my own question (in case anyone else was wondering), it does.
Negotiator101
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Well its certainly not worth the price being charged for it and seemingly is by and large a tech failure with so many games not looking much better at all. Compared to the last mid gen upgrade it's a collosal failure IMO.
Not worth the price sure, but a tech and collosal failure lol... ps4 pro the first year also had the same problem if not more issue in the multiplat.
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Sure but the digital PS5 when it was $450 come with 1tb only. Add a 1tb nvme for a total of 2tb. Even if you compare the digital ps5 when it was $400 with the disc ps5 that cost $550 now it sucks. $150 more for the same performance and same storage.
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Bojji
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I don't remember any instance when PS4 Pro version was worse than PS4 version.
Sometimes pro modes had worse framerate because of higher resolution but usually there was option to force 1080p output and had the same game as on PS4 but with more stable performance. No option like that on PS5 Pro.
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Toots
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keefged4
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Right, but if I've paid £700 odd for a "pro" console I then have the right to be angry about it looking like shite compared to the cheaper base console, time and time again though?
This isn't trolling, it's reality.
Im seriously considering selling mine because it's been a waste of time getting one.
If you feel that way sell it and you will feel better. You say time and time again so a lot of games you play looks worse on Pro.
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Buggy Loop
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As if I say that Switch 2 is miraculous hardware? You're the one that made sure to shit on any positive impressions and exaggerated claims like its heavily cutback (do you even know what heavy cutbacks are? Switch 1 ports, hello?), or that anyone praising what Nvidia did with 9W handheld its really nothing special!
Why bother being impressed with switch 2? Look my dear Sony leader coming in soon
I could come in this thread and shit on PSSR since page 1 because it is so easy to do so. I am not. But seeing your hypocrisy in full display got me a laugh.
A lot of peoples complaining about PS5 pro are PS5 pro owners. Get over yourself.
SKYF@ll
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Your "~30%" underestimates the PS5 Pro.
In PS5 Pro's boost mode, frame rates are 30-40% higher, and resolutions are often 40-77% higher at the same frame rate.
The weaker Zen 2 processor can hold it back, but the Pro's GPU is definitely 45% faster.
From my perspective the pro is exactly what I wanted and a huge step up from PS5, I am platform agnostic (PC - 9800X3D and 9070XT, Switch 2, Steam deck and PS5 Pro) I had grown very tired on PS5 of FSR fuzzyness and upscaling from very low res and games like kingdom come 2 and black myth wukong on the pro are fantastic. Sure UE5 is a problem but honestly it's an issue in some capacity across the board on many platforms. I suspect Silent Hill f will get patched and when it does I will play it. In the meantime I will await Ghosts and BF6 next month on the pro and all the other games on the platforms above.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Aren't you just reiterating what I said? I said sometimes it doesn't translate to 45% as we've seen gains in the ~30% range. Not sure where I underestimate it.Your "~30%" underestimates the PS5 Pro.
In PS5 Pro's boost mode, frame rates are 30-40% higher, and resolutions are often 40-77% higher at the same frame rate.
The weaker Zen 2 processor can hold it back, but the Pro's GPU is definitely 45% faster.
Duchess
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Same.
I decided some time ago to wait at least 3 months following a game's release before I'll buy it. These days, games are rarely finished when they launch, and it takes a good couple of patches to get them to where the devs originally wanted them to be.
They tend to throw in some quality of life updates at the same time.
keefged4
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The whole point in me getting one was for GTA VI. I mainly play on PC. Hopefully by then Sony switch to FSR4 at least.
SKYF@ll
Member
Like you, I don't regret buying the PS5 Pro, and it lives up to my expectations based on the specs*.
*PS5=RX6700 , PS5 Pro=RX6800 + BVH8 + 300TOPS/INT8 + DDR5 2GB
The low DRS resolution of the base PS5 has been improved, the frame rate has increased by over 30%, and FSR4 will run six months later.
Fortnite , Marvel Rivals and Truck Driver the American Dream, which the developers put a lot of effort into, have had HWRT added.
It's a big mistake by Konami that the SHf can only be played in Pro mode.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Not in this game, at least.
saintjules
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Should be a banned source. Inaccurate/misleading information.
Gonzito
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viveks86
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Yeah should be used purely for footage. All other words are just straight from the ass.
FalconPunch
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After all your talking, its still 50% more for 50% more performance. As for Canada, our dollar is trash because all we do is sell houses and raw materials/minerals…
Resident gaslighter is the perfect tag for you because no one was buying the 6600xt at $380. What a joke. The real prices people bought the 6600xt at was around $200 - $220.
You can blame Mark Cerny for that. He put in a new gpu and didn't increase the bandwidth and cpu enough to compensate for that. Secondly, due to the way development is on console, you'll almost always how to patch and that constraint is not limited to the ps5 pro. The switch 2, ps4, xbox, etc all suffer from the same constraints.
We should blame the devs because Sony is not holding the gun to their head asking them to implement pssr. In this case, Konami had pssr implemented in Silent hill 2 and then removed it be after launch. Now we have Silent hill F and the exact same mistake has been made.
At the end of the day, theres this thing called personal responsibility. You're responsible for the product you put out. Even a Sony first party studio GG didn't use pssr because they felt it was inadequate for their game. So if a first party studio can do that, I don't know what excuse a third party studio has….
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FalconPunch
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So what? DLSS is a key pillar for nvidia and so is mfg yet multiple games release without support for those features every day?
Lmao, this place sometimes. Go touch grass man. A court case? To argue what?
Ursus Vindicant
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Sadly I do
FalconPunch
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He's talking absolutely garbage. In like for like workloads, the pro outperforms the base every single time. The only time it doesn't is when the workload isn't like for like. For example, trying to implement pssr or do more raytracing, etc.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
50% more in the US only. The $50 price hike was only for the US. In other territories, it's a lot more and 50% more was only as of a few weeks ago. Not that this matters, because PC GPUs tend to give you much more than 45% better performance after 4 years and a 50% price hike, so even this doesn't work.
$200 6600 XT in 2022 or 2023? Never seen one so cheap. In fact, I don't ever recall seeing drop by this amount. I go with the MSRP which is easily documented.
The blame game is ultimately irrelevant. We bought a product and the onus is on the sellers to give us what we paid for. I think everyone, including Sony and the devs, should strive to deliver the ultimate console experience on the Pro. On the one hand, you got devs too clueless to realize how or when to implement PSSR, on the other hand, you got Sony not seemingly bothering to guide its partners where they want them to go.
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Ah my hypocrisy because I dare to say it's unfair to compare steam deck with the switch 2 and it's like to compare ps6 portable to the switch 2 when will be release. Outraging, unbearable...you are completely out of the reality for your nintendo fanboyism how you can't see it ; you take some opinion as personale offence and you come back in thread going completely ot. Maybe it's time to grow up and think to other stuff than you precious switch 2.As if I say that Switch 2 is miraculous hardware? You're the one that made sure to shit on any positive impressions and exaggerated claims like its heavily cutback (do you even know what heavy cutbacks are? Switch 1 ports, hello?), or that anyone praising what Nvidia did with 9W handheld its really nothing special!
Why bother being impressed with switch 2? Look my dear Sony leader coming in soon
I could come in this thread and shit on PSSR since page 1 because it is so easy to do so. I am not. But seeing your hypocrisy in full display got me a laugh.
A lot of peoples complaining about PS5 pro are PS5 pro owners. Get over yourself.
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kevboard
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why is it unfair to compare the Steam Deck to the Switch 2?
they have nearly the same GPU compute power, and the Deck even has a CPU advantage...
so is it unfair for the Switch 2? I don't get it...
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Because it's a generation behind in the portable gpu and it was released 3 year ago. 3 years tech evolve like a lot almost a generation.
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Buggy Loop
Gold Member
Both are roughly 2021 designs. T239 taped out in 2021.
1.6TF vs 1.7TF, your PS6 insertion in the thread brings nothing.
So why wasn't relesead in 2021 genius? Why you continue to post in this thread? Go back to play Mario in your bathroom.Both are roughly 2021 designs. T239 taped out in 2021.
1.6TF vs 1.7TF, your PS6 insertion in the thread brings nothing.
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kevboard
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it is? the Deck uses RDNA2, the Switch 2 uses Ampere.
RDNA2 - November 2020
Ampere - September 2020
the GPU compute power in handheld mode of the Switch 2 is also very similar to the Deck. hard to directly compare Ampere to RDNA2, but it's in the same ballpark.
why all nintendo fanboy are in this thread? the hell going on?
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They ve got nothing to play, so they have free time on their hands
kevboard
Member
I was accused of being a Nintendo hater in other threads. funny how that goes.
pointing out simple objective facts in this thread = fanboy. because I am pointing out the GPU compute between them and the GPU architecture release dates are very similar.
pointing out simple objective facts in other threads = hater. like when I told people the Switch 2 is only half as powerful as the Series S.
btw. me pointing out that the Switch 2's GPU compute in handheld mode is basically on par with the Deck would have been interpreted as a hater comment in other contexts... making your comment even more hilarious. because Switch 2 fanboys want to believe the GPU compute is on par with the PS4 in handheld mode... which it isn't
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There was even a video of DF about why ps4 pro runs worse than base ps4 but I can't find for unknow reason.
SilentSpecter
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how?
ShadyAcshuns
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PS5 Pro members getting the Royal treatment again I see...
Compare TF and computer units with AMD and Nvidia is completely useless, just saying. Oh I have the switch 2. But why we are still talking about it.
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