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Doctor Who Series 2011 |OT| Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey Stuff

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RetroMG

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Spent the day working around the house and listening to the Big Finish audio play "Master," which is pretty excellent. It's kind of like the Master's version of Human Nature.

Also, for Halloween my wife and I put together an 11th Doctor/River Song couple costume. It was excellent, but nobody knew who we were. (And people kept seeing my fez and asking if I was a monkey.) Eventually we ran into a group of people who'd seen the show though, and they thought it was awesome.

(I also have to give props to my wife, who stayed up until midnight making me a fez, which looked amazing. Don't have pics, sadly.)
 
I don't know about Monopoly built around a time travel property.

Player A: "I own Boardwalk, pay up."
Player B: "Ahh, but I will soon have owned it for 10 turns."
Player A: "Oh well." *uses sonic screwdriver on bank, gets all the moneys*
 

GSR

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Apparently the S6 soundtrack has been bumped back two weeks, to 19th December. But since they haven't finalized the tracklist yet, you can tweet @JakeJackson with an episode and timeframe for a track and they'll take it into consideration for inclusion.
 

Nymeria88

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I am hopping for some Doctor who related gifts this Christmas. My boyfriend tried to buy me 10's sonic screwdriver, but his credit card on Think geek had expired and he did not update it.
 
Dr Zhivago said:
The new Adventure Game is out now as well, made by The People Upstairs. Free to citizens of the Glorious Brittanic Empire.
www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/theadventuregames
The last series of games made me rather angry. Anyone tried this and is it any better this time round? They seem to have taken longer on it so hopefully the production is better.

Lactose_Intolerant said:
Has this been posted yet? Production crew singing "I'm Gonna Be (500 Miles)"
http://youtu.be/3s4Czla6tXc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giaMRyn47Xg&feature=related - the Ballad of Russell and Julie is even more amazing
 
PhoncipleBone said:
If I had electricity and wifi at home I would download it. Hopefully in the next day or so. Thanks for the heads up.
I downloaded it-so here's the jist. It's six bucks and it only covers Eleventh Doctor entries. If you want the sections on 9th Doctor and 10th Doctor, they are in-app purchases for six bucks too. I got them all-and it's pretty nice. The menus and interactivity is pretty neat-for instance on the main page is The TARDIS with floating icons for characters, villains, Places, etc and you spin the TARDIS around to get them. That being said this Encyclopedia is strictly on the story and characters of the show-nothing regarding the production of the show or behind the scenes details. It's more like a graphical interface Doctor Who wiki. The section for The Daleks is particularly cool.
 

Ganhyun

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Hello all!

My girlfriend and I got hooked on Doctor Who by watching it on Netflix. I really prefer the 9th and 10th Doctors over the new guy. As someone who hasn't seen any episodes other than the Netflix instant streaming ones, is there a way to watch the newer episodes online for free that's legal?
 
Ganhyun said:
Hello all!

My girlfriend and I got hooked on Doctor Who by watching it on Netflix. I really prefer the 9th and 10th Doctors over the new guy. As someone who hasn't seen any episodes other than the Netflix instant streaming ones, is there a way to watch the newer episodes online for free that's legal?
You chose...poorly.
 

BatDan

Bane? Get them on board, I'll call it in.
Ganhyun said:
Sorry man, but idaknow if its just that I don't care for Matt Smith or if I don't care for the new guy's writing.

The "new guy" wrote The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances, The Girl in the Fireplace, Blink, and Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead.
 
BatDan said:
The "new guy" wrote The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances, The Girl in the Fireplace, Blink, and Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead.

Yes, Moffat has fallen pretty far since then. I watched through Series 1 again recently, and I find it hard to believe that the same man who gave us something as brilliant as The Empty Child was responsible for train wrecks like Let's Kill Hitler and The Wedding of River Song. His writing has lost the emotional core of great stories like that and Silence in the Library.
 

The Technomancer

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KuwabaraTheMan said:
Yes, Moffat has fallen pretty far since then. I watched through Series 1 again recently, and I find it hard to believe that the same man who gave us something as brilliant as The Empty Child was responsible for train wrecks like Let's Kill Hitler and The Wedding of River Song. His writing has lost the emotional core of great stories like that and Silence in the Library.
Its hard to describe why I think he's fallen in quality since he took over, but if I had to take a stab at it, I'd say that he's trying to make the series more character driven and...well...he's not very...good at it.
 
The_Technomancer said:
Its hard to describe why I think he's fallen in quality since he took over, but if I had to take a stab at it, I'd say that he's trying to make the series more character driven and...well...he's not very...good at it.
For me its the influence's he himself said he took when going forward with these 2 season.

In his own words.

".. It wasn't about suddenly becoming Tim Burton, but it was finding a pinch of that, a pinch of Twilight, a pinch of Harry Potter "

He moved to dark fantasy, the sci fi is near none existant now. Everybody loves technobabble here and there. RTD wasnt creating Star trek levels of sci fi but it still had alot more of that feel towards it. The convoluted exploration of characters is all a bit of a "nail in the coffin".

Horror elements are fine, and light horror is one of doctor who's major factors but we hardly ever see that and even in stories like Night Terrors or The God Complex, episodes that could of played well with the horror and tension. We are pushed and pulled so much away from the major plot points that the tension peaks and falls in such rapid succesion it gets boring.

The silence are a nice unique villian and surrouded by mystery still but beyond that im not a huge fan of anything moffat has done.

Neil Gaiman would be ideal for a showrunner if i had my choice but i doubt its going to happen.
 
The_Technomancer said:
Its hard to describe why I think he's fallen in quality since he took over, but if I had to take a stab at it, I'd say that he's trying to make the series more character driven and...well...he's not very...good at it.
I find his obsession with time paradoxes and general wibbly-wobbliness to be the main problem. He does sound like he's going to tone that down next year, though.
 

TehOh

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I've been rewatching series 5 this week, and it is amazing how much better it is than 6.

Series 6 has some good standalone episodes, but anything related to the core plot just annoyed me. It was a jumble of quick sequences centered around deus ex machina after deus ex machina. No element of this year's metaplot was given time to breathe, so none of it had any real impact.

Also, I really don't like River.
 

The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
Dr Zhivago said:
I find his obsession with time paradoxes and general wibbly-wobbliness to be the main problem. He does sound like he's going to tone that down next year, though.
Oh yeah, that too. As my roomate said "yes, you can fool to the audience to make things seem interesting. That doesn't make it good writing!"
 
Dr Zhivago said:
I find his obsession with time paradoxes and general wibbly-wobbliness to be the main problem. He does sound like he's going to tone that down next year, though.

Yeah, this is the biggest flaw of the past two years. It's just become played out, with every second or third story involving time paradoxes or characters solving everything by popping back and forth in time.
 
KuwabaraTheMan said:
Yeah, this is the biggest flaw of the past two years. It's just become played out, with every second or third story involving time paradoxes or characters solving everything by popping back and forth in time.

Moffat's first season was amazing. Had me genuinely expecting Smith to top Tennant for me, which seemed impossible. Season two was infinitely worse. The drop in quality for me was extremely noticeable.
 

BatDan

Bane? Get them on board, I'll call it in.
There seems to be a similar pattern here to RTD's first two seasons.

RTD Season 1: Good season with some hiccups (Slitheen, Cassandra) wrapping up in a good finale.
Moffat Season 1: Good season with some hiccups (Return of Silurians, Star Whale) wrapping up in a good finale
RTD Season 2: Messy season with standout episodes (The Girl in the Fireplace, The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit) ending on a rather dumb finale.
Moffat Season 2: Messy season with standout episodes (The Doctor's Wife, The Girl Who Waited, The God Complex) ending on a rather dumb finale.

Personally, I just go with the flow. I enjoy parts people hate and vice-versa.
Just be glad that nobody forced a companion to get a haircut because he thought the audience was stupid enough to confuse a full-grown woman with a teenage boy. ... Yeah, JNT's crimes far outweigh any of the current showrunners.
 
The arc plot this year was an experiment that didn't come off. I'm glad Moffat did it, and I'm really glad he's pushing at the boundaries when the easiest thing in the world would have been to continue coasting on in the RTD format, but I think it's fairly easy to see in hindsight that it doesn't suit Doctor Who massively well. Judging by Moffat's comments about next series being more standalone, he'd seem to agree.

Mind you, some of the standalones this year have been absolute classics; The Doctor's Wife, The Girl Who Waited and The God Complex are some of the best works to go out under the Doctor Who name. I just want another Moffat standalone; it's fairly easy to see that's where his skills lie, and we haven't had one since A Christmas Carol, which I loved.

I don't think it's fair to call series 6 a failure, but it was an enjoyable shambles at times, kept doing purely by the brio and energy of the cast and crew. The direction all season was stunning, though; sign all those directors back up.
 

Sotha Sil

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BatDan said:
There seems to be a similar pattern here to RTD's first two seasons.

RTD Season 1: Good season with some hiccups (Slitheen, Cassandra) wrapping up in a good finale.
Moffat Season 1: Good season with some hiccups (Return of Silurians, Star Whale) wrapping up in a good finale
RTD Season 2: Messy season with standout episodes (The Girl in the Fireplace, The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit) ending on a rather dumb finale.
Moffat Season 2: Messy season with standout episodes (The Doctor's Wife, The Girl Who Waited, The God Complex) ending on a rather dumb finale.

Personally, I just go with the flow. I enjoy parts people hate and vice-versa.
Just be glad that nobody forced a companion to get a haircut because he thought the audience was stupid enough to confuse a full-grown woman with a teenage boy. ... Yeah, JNT's crimes far outweigh any of the current showrunners.

I really wouldn't call RTD's first season "good", but I kind of agree with the second season parallel.
 

The Technomancer

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MDavis360 said:
I hope next season is primarily really solid stand alones, with a 2 part finale that wraps up all the loose ends from S5 and S6.
Seconded. DW is at its best for me in a "monster of the week" format, and hopefully they move a bit away from making everything "creepy" and "confusing"
 
Sotha Sil said:
I really wouldn't call RTD's first season "good", but I kind of agree with the second season parallel.

Oh, I think it was. Outside of The Unquiet Dead, every story in that season was good, with The Empty Child, Parting of the Ways, Dalek, Boom Town, and Father's Day all being pretty amazing. It's one of the most varied seasons in the show's history (topped only by Seasons 1, 3 and 16 from the original run) in terms of all the different types of stories it does.

I was much more impressed with it on a recent re-viewing on DVD than I had been in the past. It may have had a lower budget and production setbacks, but the sheer scope of imagination present in Series 1 is just fantastic.
 

Ithil

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KuwabaraTheMan said:
Oh, I think it was. Outside of The Unquiet Dead, every story in that season was good, with The Empty Child, Parting of the Ways, Dalek, Boom Town, and Father's Day all being pretty amazing. It's one of the most varied seasons in the show's history (topped only by Seasons 1, 3 and 16 from the original run) in terms of all the different types of stories it does.

I was much more impressed with it on a recent re-viewing on DVD than I had been in the past. It may have had a lower budget and production setbacks, but the sheer scope of imagination present in Series 1 is just fantastic.
Wait, outside of The Unquiet Dead? That's one of Season 1's good episodes.

Aliens In London/World War Three, now there's some notorious stinkers.
 
Ithil said:
Wait, outside of The Unquiet Dead? That's one of Season 1's good episodes.

Aliens In London/World War Three, now there's some notorious stinkers.

I used to think The Unquiet Dead was good, but I really disliked it when I went back through the season recently. The disgusting message (refugees are evil, so don't let them in the country) and the fact that it's essentially 20 minutes of story stretched out across 45 minutes really hurt it. I also think it's a waste of Charles Dickens. He doesn't really add much to the story.

Aliens in London, in contrast, went up in my estimation a lot recently. It's got that classic RTD vibe where a story is very dark, but disguised underneath a silly looking exterior. In Aliens of London we have a group of aliens who kill people and walk around in their skin while trying to scorch the earth. The scenes of the empty streets in World War Three while the media completely buys the claims of a weapon of mass destruction pointed at the earth is more provocative social commentary by Davies. The whole plot of the story is rather ingenious, I think. A group of aliens fake an alien invasion so they can gather all the experts and kill them off, and then convince the governments that there's an alien menace out there worthy of using nuclear power is great. Wrapped up in all of that, there are some great moments of human drama, too. The telephone conversation where Jackie is talking down the Doctor and asking if Rose will be safe is great, and Eccleston does a superb job acting in that scene.

Plus, "Thank you for wearing your identification tags. They'll help to identify the bodies" is such a great cliffhanger. It's an extremely smart and different script let down only by an incompetent director who was thankfully never brought back.
 
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