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[Raydeen]

Those new aliens are EXTREMELY scary. Angels, you have been replaced.

But what would happen if you put a Silent in the same room as an Angel. Think about it...

 

[Keyser Soze]

Someone on Something Awful posted this image which pretty much sums up River and the Doctor's timelines http://imgur.com/xiXVA

 

[Mr. Sam]

This is most wibbly wobbly, timey wimey and, to a degree, bumpy wumpy.

 

[fredrancour]

I found this: http://www.mythicalcreaturesguide.com/page/Slender+Man

:/

ok I guess I just gave the setup to marble hornets. it does differ from the mythology originally made up for the guy to some extent. But anyway, enough thread derailing.

 

[wind_steaker]

the big bang is after what's going on now for river. ("next time we meet everything changes"..)

This. I can only imagine she doesn't recognise him in TBB because of the cracks?

I look forward to watching all of these episodes from Rivers perspective in a few years, watching as the Doctor slowly grows more distant.

 

[mclem]

Ratings from across the pond are... looking healthy.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...bc-americas-highest-rated-telecast-ever/90505

To put the UK ratings in perspective: As far as I can determine, the highest rating on *all* channels on Easter Sunday was 5.66M (that was a new Lewis, so also a first-run drama).

 

[jdogmoney]

Just watched the episode again. I don't think it's possible for me to wait until Saturday. How long until we are able to make a TARDIS of our own?

 

[Discotheque]

But what would happen if you put a Silent in the same room as an Angel. Think about it...

lol and a human in between. sounds like a doom sandwich

 

[Myzer]

Not necessarily. It may simply mean that Rory is going to encounter River again at some point in his future. So in some future episode (from our perspective) when River needs to be introduced to Rory will be the last time he meets her.

Not really. It is clear the River didn't know Rory in Pandoria/Big Bang, but that she knows him in Astronaut, so that can be read that these events take place after TBB as that is when River meets Rory for the first time.

 

[mclem]

Not really. It is clear the River didn't know Rory in Pandoria/Big Bang, but that she knows him in Astronaut, so that can be read that these events take place after TBB as that is when River meets Rory for the first time.

Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey Crazy Wazy theory: She's feigning ignorance to make Rory *think* that it all occurs in that order.

 

[wind_steaker]

Not really. It is clear the River didn't know Rory in Pandoria/Big Bang, but that she knows him in Astronaut, so that can be read that these events take place after TBB as that is when River meets Rory for the first time.

Actually if we consider River from the finale up untill the universe recreation section to be young river and post-wedding River to be much older it all works out.

 

[Tizoc]

Hey there, gents (and ladies), I've been wanting to watch the series but I don't know where to start from. I wouldn't mind starting from the very first 60s series but if I should start from a later series, then that's OK too.

 

[StealthGoblin]

Hey there, gents (and ladies), I've been wanting to watch the series but I don't know where to start from. I wouldn't mind starting from the very first 60s series but if I should start from a later series, then that's OK too.

If you are interested in Who because of the Buzz around New Who, then it would probably be wise to start at the 2005 series. However, the first episode in that series (Rose) is actually rather crap. Stick with it. The reason I say this is because modern Who has a more modern writing approach with themes running throughout a series. Old Who was more episodic based stuff.

After that you can watch Tennant, Smith's first series and then the new one. After that, going back and watching Baker, Pertwee, Davison etc is advisable.

 

[Tizoc]

If you are interested in Who because of the Buzz around New Who, then it would probably be wise to start at the 2005 series. However, the first episode in that series (Rose) is actually rather crap. Stick with it. The reason I say this is because modern Who has a more modern writing approach with themes running throughout a series. Old Who was more episodic based stuff.

Ah, I also asked elsewhere for additional info and they also recommended starting from the 2005 series (The 9th Doc). Thanks, but reading your 2nd paragraph.

After that, going back and watching Baker, Pertwee, Davison etc is advisable.

OK, so that would be...The 4th , 3rd & 5th Doctors. What about the 6th-8th Doctors? Should I skip them or are they worth watching?
Sorry if I misunderstood some of what you posted ^_^;

EDIT: Wait what're these about and are they worth watching:
Doctor Who Confidential and Dreamland?

 

[JonathanEx]

Dreamland - hahahaha. CBBC animated episode. Not particularly worth it.


Confidential - If you want to go behind the scenes of the show. You must really like the show as you get to watch clips of what you just saw 10 times to tangentally related musical montages. Tis interesting though.

 

[Zenith]

Confidential - If you want to go behind the scenes of the show. You must really like the show as you get to watch clips of what you just saw 10 times to tangentally related musical montages. Tis interesting though.

Can't believe they spent 20 minutes on the oval office and not a single interview with Canton.

 

[JonathanEx]

Speaking of behind the scenes, this is a fun video from episode 1. They gave Matt Smith a tiny camera and uh, rather than do a proper behind the scenes thing, he was more distracted by the camera itself: http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/episodes/b010tb7q/videos/p00gk4mr

 

[StealthGoblin]

OK, so that would be...The 4th , 3rd & 5th Doctors. What about the 6th-8th Doctors? Should I skip them or are they worth watching?
Sorry if I misunderstood some of what you posted ^_^;

I personally think all of the Doctors are worth watching because they all have their quirks. Some would be better than others for a new person to get into such as Pertwee, Baker and Davison.

 

[Regulus Tera]

OK, so that would be...The 4th , 3rd & 5th Doctors. What about the 6th-8th Doctors? Should I skip them or are they worth watching?
Sorry if I misunderstood some of what you posted ^_^;

There's only one movie with the eighth Doctor.

I personally think the sixth Doctor era was horrendous, but I've heard good impressions about his audio stuff. The seventh Doctor years start a bit dull, but they get really good by the second season.

 

[Tizoc]

There's only one movie with the eighth Doctor.

I personally think the sixth Doctor era was horrendous, but I've heard good impressions about his audio stuff. The seventh Doctor years start a bit dull, but they get really good by the second season.

How is that movie was it good/lives up to the series presentation?
What was the problem with the 6th Doctor's era?

 

[wind_steaker]

if you want to get into the current Who watch series 5 (2010) and you'll be all set up to watch the new episodes, then go back and watch from the 2005 series. Series 5 was verging on a reboot for the show and a really good jumping on point, though there are a few episodes like Blink and The Silence of the Library that are relevant too.

That way you can go back and watch earlier episodes to make the pain of waiting for new episodes easier. There is a fantastic list of key episodes in the OT as well which I'd recommend as series 2-4 were very inconsistent.

 

[KibblesBits]

if you want to get into the current Who watch series 5 (2010) and you'll be all set up to watch the new episodes, then go back and watch from the 2005 series. Series 5 was verging on a reboot for the show and a really good jumping on point, though there are a few episodes like Blink and The Silence of the Library that are relevant too.

That way you can go back and watch earlier episodes to make the pain of waiting for new episodes easier. There is a fantastic list of key episodes in the OT as well which I'd recommend as series 2-4 were very inconsistent.

Not quite the right description there.

If you want to be accurate you could call it a restart or a good place to enter the fray. That said I advocate looking at classic Who to get a better idea of just who the Doctor is and what he's capable of in my opinion.

The First through Fifth Doctors are great and I'd say particularly say check out any episodes dealing with Daleks, Cybermen, Icemen, or The Master or Time Lords during those periods. You could do this while you watch the Ninth Doctor and go from there. Good luck sitting through episodes with Rose as a companion though.

 

[Tizoc]

Heh I'm watching the very very first episode of the 1st Doctor's series and...I like it. I like the Doctor's personality, and

Spoiler

the time jump to the past and how the two teachers reacted to it was...well it just felt 'real' to me; their reactions that is.

Thanks a lot for the info fellas, so I start with the 9th Doctor, then after I've caught up I go and watch the older series from the 1st til 5th.
That reminds me; I've read that some of the series were made in the US but they weren't that good; which ones were they?

 

[StealthGoblin]

How is that movie was it good/lives up to the series presentation?
What was the problem with the 6th Doctor's era?

The idea behind the doctor was fine (more grumpy, darker, arrogant etc) but Colin Baker's portrayal left a lot to be desired for. Regulus Tera is correct in saying that the audio adventures he was involved in are much, much better. I just couldn't take him seriously at all in the show, and I need that in a Doctor. Whatever he is doing, whether it be being arrogant, brilliant, whimsical etc, I need to feel that he's doing it for a believable reason and that the Doctor himself (or the actor) plays whatever that role is with conviction. Colin Baker just didn't do that for me.

Oh, and he has the worst outfit of the bunch. There he was walking around being all darker. . .while his costume was like diving face first into a pack of Rowntree's fruit pastilles. This is the reason that he is often pictured, or presented in his alternate Blue outfit.

Being fair to Baker though, he did want to wear a darker attire to match the personality of his Doctor.

Just like Paul McGann (Eight Doctor) wanted to wear a leather Jacket to reflect the modern world he was to be introduced into. Instead, the 9th Doctor was given that to wear.

 

[Tizoc]

The idea behind the doctor was fine (more grumpy, darker, arrogant etc) but Colin Baker's portrayal left a lot to be desired for. Regulus Tera is correct in saying that the audio adventures he was involved in are much, much better. I just couldn't take him seriously at all in the show, and I need that in a Doctor. Whatever he is doing, whether it be being arrogant, brilliant, whimsical etc, I need to feel that he's doing it for a believable reason and that the Doctor himself (or the actor) plays whatever that role is with conviction. Colin Baker just didn't do that for me.

Do you happen to know where I can find these audio dramas? Or at least recommend the best ones?

Oh, and he has the worst outfit of the bunch. There he was walking around being all darker. . .while his costume was like diving face first into a pack of Rowntree's fruit pastilles. This is the reason that he is often pictured, or presented in his alternate Blue outfit.

Yeah...

I am at a loss of words on how you can have someone be grumpy, dark, etc. and wear such cheerful clothes XD.

 

[KibblesBits]

Do you happen to know where I can find these audio dramas? Or at least recommend the best ones?


Yeah...

I am at a loss of words on how you can have someone be grumpy, dark, etc. and wear such cheerful clothes XD.

Yes, very moody but his attire says, "Come at me with nonsense!"

 

[BatDan]

I am at a loss of words on how you can have someone be grumpy, dark, etc. and wear such cheerful clothes XD.

A lot of it has to do with the higher-ups interfering. The BBC controller hated the show (and was banging Colin's ex-wife so double-ouch), the executive producer hated the show, and it was just a complete clusterfuck.

 

[The Elite]

Doctor Who ARG alert:

Details Here

UPDATED Doctor Who Mystery - ''All the Secrets You Seek Can Be Found Here on the Webb''

Here is something very interesting, go to the BBC Doctor Who site, here, and click on The Fourth Dimension (its written going down the page on the right), you will see a few links etc., but look at the italic words, when put together they read All the secrets you seek can be found here on the webb.

Now the web is a large place (assuming they mean the internet (less of a needle in a haystack and more of a needle somewhere on planet earth), or perhaps the WEBB (deliberate misspelling) its something else?

Karen Gillan says Everything’s so important and precise in Steven Moffat’s scripts. There are a couple of throwaway lines in the opening two-parter, which I thought were just a couple of funny gags but turn out to be one of the most important things that Amy’s ever said. And I didn’t know that at the time!

So from the script, when Rory was reading form the history book; At the personal intervention of the king, the unnamed doctor was incarcerated without trial in the Tower of London. According to contemporary accounts, two nights later a magical sphere some twenty feet across was seen floating away from the tower bearing the mysterious doctor aloft - is this one of them?

There are other observations too, here - whatever is is, its something to think about!

EDIT: Webb is a small lunar impact crater that is located near the eastern edge of the Mare Fecunditatis, in the eastern part of the Moon near the equator. It is to the north of the prominent crater Langrenus, and west of Maclaurin, more about it here - this may be it, its on the the moon of course - Thanx Grayhound!

Maybe they will release Day of the Moon early if we solve it.

 

[StealthGoblin]

Do you happen to know where I can find these audio dramas? Or at least recommend the best ones?

He did an entire run of 'The Lost Stories' consisting of 8 episodes that began in late 2009. That was the first 'series' of those stories. They were based on scripts that never made it into production for the main TV show I believe.

The company that produced them is called 'Big Finish'. Prices vary on a purchase.

Episodes include:

The Nightmare Fair
Mission to Magnus
Leviathan
The Hollows of Time
Paradise 5
Point of Entry
The Song of Megaptera
The Macros

I think he's also due to do a few more in future. His assistant Peri (Nicola Bryant) also recorded her parts for that series, so it feels and sounds really great.

 

[GameplayWhore]

Heh I'm watching the very very first episode of the 1st Doctor's series and...I like it. I like the Doctor's personality, and

Spoiler

the time jump to the past and how the two teachers reacted to it was...well it just felt 'real' to me; their reactions that is.

Thanks a lot for the info fellas, so I start with the 9th Doctor, then after I've caught up I go and watch the older series from the 1st til 5th.
That reminds me; I've read that some of the series were made in the US but they weren't that good; which ones were they?

Fwiw, I used the list posted here to catch up on previous Doctors. It treated me pretty well.

The first Doctor was pretty great. I personally like it when the Doc is a bit of a jerk -- that's why I'm enjoying Smith a little more than I did Tennant.

I think I best summed up the US movie with the sentence "WHY IS THIS MAKING NO SENSE AT ALL!?!". It had a fun chase sequence towards the end, and the Doctor and the Master both had a lot of potential, but that's more or less the entirety of the film's positive aspects. It's apparently better to get the Big Finish audio productions (edit: ah, right, already covered above in this thread) from that same Doctor as well as those from Colin Baker. Both of them apparently did a bang up job after their embarrassing on-screen presentations.

Anyway, the Doctors up to and including Davison (the blonde guy) were generally good, though you just have to get used to the more primitive filming techniques and so forth (but you liked the pilot, so you're already going well there). Colin Baker's seasons were terrible, though I didn't watch many of the serials. McCoy started out horribly but gradually improved to the point where his last two episodes are among my favourite of all Who. McGann, as mentioned above, got a bum rap (and a bum story). Eccleston had excellent potential but really needed more time to flesh out. Tennant was generally great but bogged down with companions who constantly crush on him as well as a very very mushy perspective on Humanity and often high concept storylines that start out well but end up resolving via handwaves. Smith is an absent-minded, ADD-impaired fellow who shares the first doctor's disdain for fools, and he has the best writer.

But anyway, watch Inferno. Ignore the terrible monster makeup and just fall in love with the characters and stories.

Oh, Doctors 8.1, 8.2, 8.3, 8.4 and 8.5 (Rowan Atkinson, Richard E. Grant, Jim Broadbent, Hugh Grant and Joanna Lumley) are fantastic in all their outings. They also had the best writer.

 

[King of the Potato People]

Speaking of the audio dramas, I just listened to 'I Davros'. It was a quality prequel to Genesis of the Daleks and elaborates on the back story. Terry Molloy was brilliant, I wish Davros was as fascinating in Series 4.

 

[brianjones]

uh.. i have no idea what i just watched

the aliens were cool i guess?

 

[Discotheque]

uh.. i have no idea what i just watched

the aliens were cool i guess?

lol what the hell does this mean? this was no more confusing than last season's finale.

edit: i mean...what do you mean?

 

[brianjones]

i dont really remember what happened in the finale

anything to do with river always loses me

i guess i prefer the good stand alone episodes

 

[Discotheque]

River also lost me when she spoke to Rory. I'll probably rewatch the episode before next week, and I'll probably need a pen and paper to draw a timeline or some shit while she speaks


lol

Spoiler

that's so dorky

 

[Zenith]

River also lost me when she spoke to Rory. I'll probably rewatch the episode before next week, and I'll probably need a pen and paper to draw a timeline or some shit while she speaks


lol

Spoiler

that's so dorky

something about the emotional hurt of one day the Doctor not even recognising her is something she fears and feels like it would kill her (figuratively). Viewers will have already seen it.

 

[The Elite]

River also lost me when she spoke to Rory. I'll probably rewatch the episode before next week, and I'll probably need a pen and paper to draw a timeline or some shit while she speaks


lol

Spoiler

that's so dorky

Go back and watch the Silence in the Library two parter.

 

[GameplayWhore]

So I'm wondering ... the evil-sounding voice from last season prophesizes that "Silence will fall". The Silence seem to be not hurting our heroes when they have plenty of opportunity to do so. One Silent, at least, seemed to be helping the good guys (the one who told Amy to tell the Doctor stuff).

Is it possible that the Silence are not villains? I mean, they killed one person who seemed to be an innocent, but we don't know the motivation behind that, as they didn't really go around mass murdering anybody else that I can recall. Could they have had a really good reason for that one kill? It almost seems like these beings could be enemies of this season's actual baddy (that voice). And, well, the astronaut who murders the Doctor (not a sign of beneficence) also seems to be kind of down on them.

Just throwing it out there to drum up some chatter.

 

[Incendiary]

Okay so I've been trying to parse this and my head hurts so much that I'm just gonna go ahead and blatantly ask.

In Big Bang, River tells the Doctor "the next time we meet is when everything changes." So is The Impossible Astronaut that next time? Because with all the warped timey-wimey stuff I can't figure it out.

 

[isny]

So I'm wondering ... the evil-sounding voice from last season prophesizes that "Silence will fall". The Silence seem to be not hurting our heroes when they have plenty of opportunity to do so. One Silent, at least, seemed to be helping the good guys (the one who told Amy to tell the Doctor stuff).

Is it possible that the Silence are not villains? I mean, they killed one person who seemed to be an innocent, but we don't know the motivation behind that, as they didn't really go around mass murdering anybody else that I can recall. Could they have had a really good reason for that one kill? It almost seems like these beings could be enemies of this season's actual baddy (that voice). And, well, the astronaut who murders the Doctor (not a sign of beneficence) also seems to be kind of down on them.

Just throwing it out there to drum up some chatter.

They may not be evil, but what about who/what is controlling them...

edit: Some new promo photos from the next episode were just made available

This one in particular seems pretty spoilery...

 

[maharg]

Okay so I've been trying to parse this and my head hurts so much that I'm just gonna go ahead and blatantly ask.

In Big Bang, River tells the Doctor "the next time we meet is when everything changes." So is The Impossible Astronaut that next time? Because with all the warped timey-wimey stuff I can't figure it out.

I think there's enough craziness going on this time to justify calling it the 'next time' she was talking about.

 

[mightynine]

Decided to see if A Christmas Carol soundtrack was released yet in the US, and for whatever reason, it can't be released over here at the moment.

However, you can buy the MP3s direct from Silva Screen's UK site. Bit of warning, their download method sucks - it appears you have to download them one at a time.

 

[Tizoc]

Alright just started watching the 2005 series, firs ep. was OK, and I enjoyed it. Really liking the 9th Doctor's personality.
Where can I find an MP3 of the intro though? It's quite catchy.

 

[Monkeylord]

I mean, they killed one person who seemed to be an innocent, but we don't know the motivation behind that, as they didn't really go around mass murdering anybody else that I can recall.

I seem to remember Amy asking why it killed the woman immediately afer it happened, and the Silent simply stated "joy".

 

[The Elite]

I seem to remember Amy asking why it killed the woman immediately afer it happened, and the Silent simply stated "joy".

It said "her name was Joy" as far as I recall.

 

[maharg]

It said both. One after the other.

 

[Zenith]

I seem to remember Amy asking why it killed the woman immediately afer it happened, and the Silent simply stated "joy".

"Joy was her name. Yours is Amelia."

I think it was because she kept getting in the way and it'd be hard to for her to leave without attracting the guard's attention outside and the Silent had a message to deliver.

 

[Monkeylord]

Cheers, that's been bugging me a bit.

 

[Dr Zhivago]

In exciting celeb tittle-tattle news, the actor who took out a super-injunction to stop the press reporting his fling with a prostitute is going to be guest-starring in a forthcoming episode (supposedly).

 

[ultron87]

So the guard at the Stormcage who was on the phone about River packing sounded a lot like Angel Bob from the Angel episodes last series.

I'm guessing it's just a coincidence, but it theoretically could've been Bob since this (for River) took place before the Byzantium.