I think they typically speed up part of the episode to fit it in a 42-minute window.
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Doctor Who Series 9 |OT| Let Zygons Be Zygons
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I think they typically speed up part of the episode to fit it in a 42-minute window.
DangerMouse
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Clara freaking out the class lol. Get those phones on checking the news.
"The Doctor Channel" heh
"The Doctor Channel" heh
Future Foundation
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Not on the first showing, usually that's more or less left alone. Repeat showings get the sped up treatment (The "A Good Man Goes to War" speed-up is *incredible*)
DangerMouse
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Nice entrance Missy, looking forward to more. Here we go.
Future Foundation
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"You're the puppy."
EDIT: I guess Kate's in her "off-day" clothes?
EDIT: I guess Kate's in her "off-day" clothes?
DangerMouse
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Jacobi was rad even if he only had five minutes.
DangerMouse
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LOL that smoke guitar entrance and tank is awesome.
DangerMouse
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Future Foundation
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I'm getting some Potter vibes from this scene - "Dark Lord", giant-ass talking snake.
DangerMouse
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LOL bowtie and a scarf, heh.
"Now hold on a minute, Davros is your arch-enemy now??"
"Now hold on a minute, Davros is your arch-enemy now??"
DrForester
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She's funny, and absolutely menacing, unlike Simms who just felt like a joke all the time. She is amazing in the role, and she and Capaldi play off each other so well.
DangerMouse
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Yeah, she switches between the two incredibly well so far and seems great at both.
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
Holy crap, this season premiere is SO GOOD
DangerMouse
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Did the Doctor tell you that? You should never believe a man about a vehicle lol
ClivePwned
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nope, I grew up with Ainley as the Master and discovered Delgado much later. Gomez is the best Master in 40 years!
er, so Spanish names= great Master
DangerMouse
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Damn that was goooooood!
Doctor Who, ladies and gents.Ugh , did not enjoy this at all..
Same with last season. It is just not jelling with me in any way.
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
Yeah, two parters are so much better.
It gives the series room to breathe, and having a mini story arc really does create a huge sense of urgency.
I hope they continue this format beyond Series 9
It gives the series room to breathe, and having a mini story arc really does create a huge sense of urgency.
I hope they continue this format beyond Series 9
GodParticle
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That was a great episode outside of the awful unit and tank scenes. The kid revelation was great. For once I wasn't spoiled with doctor who
KuwabaraTheMan
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What a load of horseshit.
Whatever happened to Doctor Who having quality storytelling? This was just a complete mess on every level. The plot was convoluted and spent a lot of time going nowhere, and the story is just a bunch of disjointed fanwank nonsense. What was the point of going from Skaro to Karn to the Shadow Proclamation to wherever to Missy suddenly coming back in 10 minutes? This would make even the most amateur of fanfiction writers blush. It's just an embarrassment. Even Warriors of the Deep wasn't this bad.
Beyond that, the state of Skaro makes no sense in the sections with young Davros. The technology is completely out of wack with anything we've seen from there in the past (even Genesis, the story this episode is trying so hard to be), and the creatures reaching up from under the ground have no connection to anything related to it. So it's not even continuity that actually connects to anything.
The Doctor is also not at all like the Doctor here. I remember the days when the Doctor tried to avoid interfering in history. Now he relishes in it. Bringing out tanks and electric guitars into history and bragging about it. This is not the Doctor. This is not Doctor Who. This is a perversion wearing the face of a once great show.
The dialogue remains pretty terrible throughout the whole episode, Davros is completely wasted, and Clara just kind of stands around without showing much of a personality. There is really nothing here to even remark on positively. Moffat also is taking his whole "greatest hits" thing to new heights, going back to the whole "this is the absolute end of the Doctor's life and here's what he does on his final day" bit again. This is like four times in the past five years now, right?
What a trial to get through.
Whatever happened to Doctor Who having quality storytelling? This was just a complete mess on every level. The plot was convoluted and spent a lot of time going nowhere, and the story is just a bunch of disjointed fanwank nonsense. What was the point of going from Skaro to Karn to the Shadow Proclamation to wherever to Missy suddenly coming back in 10 minutes? This would make even the most amateur of fanfiction writers blush. It's just an embarrassment. Even Warriors of the Deep wasn't this bad.
Beyond that, the state of Skaro makes no sense in the sections with young Davros. The technology is completely out of wack with anything we've seen from there in the past (even Genesis, the story this episode is trying so hard to be), and the creatures reaching up from under the ground have no connection to anything related to it. So it's not even continuity that actually connects to anything.
The Doctor is also not at all like the Doctor here. I remember the days when the Doctor tried to avoid interfering in history. Now he relishes in it. Bringing out tanks and electric guitars into history and bragging about it. This is not the Doctor. This is not Doctor Who. This is a perversion wearing the face of a once great show.
The dialogue remains pretty terrible throughout the whole episode, Davros is completely wasted, and Clara just kind of stands around without showing much of a personality. There is really nothing here to even remark on positively. Moffat also is taking his whole "greatest hits" thing to new heights, going back to the whole "this is the absolute end of the Doctor's life and here's what he does on his final day" bit again. This is like four times in the past five years now, right?
What a trial to get through.
That was alright I guess.
It was yet another death of the Doctor story. The twists were easy to see coming a mile away, the cliffhanger is ridiculous as we know Missy, Clara, and the TARDIS are safe and we know the Doctor won't actually kill young Davros. Clara had no personality. The snake guy is dumb.
At least Missy was entertaining.
It was yet another death of the Doctor story. The twists were easy to see coming a mile away, the cliffhanger is ridiculous as we know Missy, Clara, and the TARDIS are safe and we know the Doctor won't actually kill young Davros. Clara had no personality. The snake guy is dumb.
At least Missy was entertaining.
I think they were all human Daleks so history is inadvertently saved? Now that I think about it ... it doesn't make sense. Snake-Robe Man was looking for The Doctor and followed Missy and Clara somehow ... but how the Daleks could have plants is beyond me. Actually, do Daleks have time travel? The whole when/where of that scene confuses me.
Yep, reading the reviews it feels like its going to be deju vu from last years series.
They did have time travel - or they will. They spent the duration of "the Chase" pursuing the Doctor and company across time and space, for instance.
I will say i agree that the pacing was all over the place though. They seriously could've cut down on a lot of scenes or all this whizzing about between locations with no discernable reason. The return of the shadow proclamation was cool though. I am hoping they would give them a more substantial role this time around as I always liked the concept
DangerMouse
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Yup
nckillthegrimace
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Mediocre.
Davros and the Shadow Proclamation give me horrible flashbacks to RTD's garbage series 4 finale. Cliffhanger is stupid because the Doctor is not going to murder a child and there's no way Clara, Missy, and the Tardis are all dead.
Also, I'm going to lose my goddamn mind if Davros is the main antagonist of the series. Make up new villains that serves as more than monster of the week shit. In eight years, there's been one new major villain group. I know the show is about time travel, but, come on, how many times can it be the Daleks?
Davros and the Shadow Proclamation give me horrible flashbacks to RTD's garbage series 4 finale. Cliffhanger is stupid because the Doctor is not going to murder a child and there's no way Clara, Missy, and the Tardis are all dead.
Also, I'm going to lose my goddamn mind if Davros is the main antagonist of the series. Make up new villains that serves as more than monster of the week shit. In eight years, there's been one new major villain group. I know the show is about time travel, but, come on, how many times can it be the Daleks?
It's actually not, though.
Didn't really work for me, this one. Just felt like there was far too much going on in far too many different directions. How many minutes were wasted on all that "UNIT and the Mystery of the Frozen Planes" nonsense? If we absolutely have to have Missy involved, was there really no simpler way to involve her? Maybe something that exploits her alien intelligence to find the Doctor, rather than just having UNIT do a thing on a computer that somehow locates him 1000 years in the past?
All the stuff on with the tank and the electric guitar just seemed like scenes for their own sake, too. We're told in the briefest way that the Doctor is maybe going to die "tomorrow" for some reason, but we're not shown or told anything that explains why he's acting like such a weirdo.
I dunno. It seems like this story is going to be about Davros and the Daleks, and yet they're such a small part of this episode, with the rest of it being the Doctor capering around and Missy capering around respectively. It felt unfocused to me, I guess.
All the stuff on with the tank and the electric guitar just seemed like scenes for their own sake, too. We're told in the briefest way that the Doctor is maybe going to die "tomorrow" for some reason, but we're not shown or told anything that explains why he's acting like such a weirdo.
I dunno. It seems like this story is going to be about Davros and the Daleks, and yet they're such a small part of this episode, with the rest of it being the Doctor capering around and Missy capering around respectively. It felt unfocused to me, I guess.
DangerMouse
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Agreed. There was really no "prophecy of the Doctor's death inevitability" thing here, this time it was just him sending it I guess thinking it might happen or perhaps thinking that might be the outcome due to his guilty feelings.
Once the story got going I don't think it felt like a "the Doctor's gonna die" story anymore despite that being what gets Missy involved and draws her in. Though it's possible like the above said that that's because we've had a number of those recently.
I guess we'll see. They'll probably give us more details about those hands with eyes next episode.
Eh. Clara practically took charge in the Unit room due to her experiences with the Doctor and didn't even stand down against Missy, putting her life on the line even after she killed those two guys to stop her from killing any more of them, not sure how that's doing nothing. And on the "station" Missy was kind of taking the Doctor's role so it's not surprising she just kind of stood around while Missy "did her thing".
Wait what, this is actually a good point lol. Plot hole right there.
Looked to me the snake converted that dude...
BrokenFiction
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This is what I'd assumed too.