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Dragon Age: Veilguard releases with over 70k concurrent players on Steam and 'Mixed Reviews'

Plenty of copium over on ResetEra.

Apparently 70k CCU's means BioWare is back. Not sure I'd agree with that given the budget, size, scope and reputation the series has.

I imagine it'll go well over 100k at the weekend, but it's not great right now, and it's just got immediately blown out by around 360k by MW Wilds.
70k concurrent players will be good for the lower budget AAA games that cost around 50 million such as Granblue Fantasy Relink, Stellar Blade, and Wukong. But something on the scale and budget of Dragon Age Veilguard or Star Wars Outlaw will need at least 5x more concurrent players so more than 300k ccp for each to be successful on Steam.

Especially since they're not just a normal no name expensive AAA game but a expensive AAA from a well known franchise. They also aren't linear games like Resident Evil games either which would be cheaper to make.

Skyrim did great way back in 2011 with it's 290k concurrent players because it was way cheaper to make games and there's way less gamers during that time. A Elder Scroll VI would be a big flop if it only gets 290k ccp again when it comes within the new few years. It'll need like 500k ccp at least. GTA VI needs at least 1 million ccp. Dragon age Veilguard needs at least 350k ccp.

But like you said, they will surely gain a massive amount of numbers tommorrw and within this weekend possibly having 300k concurrent players within the next three days. People are too busy eating their Halloween candy or are still in some Halloween party getting drunk in their costumes at the moment.
 
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sigmaZ

Member
We should know by now that on PC anything that gets a lot of social media attention gets higher player counts. I'm fairly certain you could even go on Google Trends and find charts to substantiate this. Even negative attention is a form of engagement. How well that will sustain the game remains to be seen.
 
Don't forget some people might be watching horror movies with their families or freinds instead of playing games. I recommend Night of the Demon or Return of the Living Dead.

Stop hitting the copium so hard.

It just dropped below 47k while 400k+ are piling into the Monster Hunter BETA. If more people cared they'd be playing it already.

The game is good. Not great. It'll do good numbers. Not great. Its just another middle of the road Bioware game that'll probably end up deeply discounted by next month. The journalists calling this a masterpiece were full of shit.
 
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Tangerine

Banned
Crash and burn 🔥

Made a deal with grim reaper for my soul. Might not work because I could be soulless.

Hopefully not though. I got soul (i think) but I'm not a soldier, I got soul but I'm not a soldier...
 

Kotaro

Member
Chuds held the first day :messenger_bicep::messenger_bicep::messenger_bicep:

Most of the gain occurred in the afternoon from the Europeans who's probably oblivious to the culture war. Then it topped off during North American evening hours

Now comes the weekend, the most important time. The wokes will make a bigger charge. We must hold the line!

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Stop hitting the copium so hard.

It just dropped below 47k while 400k+ are piling into the Monster Hunter BETA. If more people cared they'd be playing it already.

The game is good. Not great. It'll do good numbers. Not great. Its just another middle of the road Bioware game that'll probably end up deeply discounted by next month. The journalists calling this a masterpiece were full of shit.
It's unfortunate someone released the Monster aka Monster Hunter Wilds on the same day or else we'll be seeing those 300k to 400k ccp on Veilguard right now.

Only reason Dragon Age is at 70k was because someone unleashed the Beast a.k.a Monster Hunters Wild.

I also think the monster hunter wild players don't celebrate Halloween while the Veilguard ones does
 
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70k concurrent is good for B grade janky games such as Earth Defence Force 6 (the games good btw)

For western triple A publisher with cost over 100 million and took more than 5 years to make?

Yeah that aint good at all no matter what people say.
Over 100 million is old stuff. Dragon Age Inquisition cost over 150 million and that was 10 years ago. Including marketing etc Veilguard probably cost around double that. So yeah gonna need at least 5x that amount and possible more for the ccp. But we must not lose hope because the weekend is here to boost its numbers so don't worry.
 

Ozriel

M$FT
There are over 450,000 people playing Monster Hunter right now.
I mean…. A beta of monster hunter crushed the fuck out of DA on Halloween….

Guess we will see over the weekend, but this is not a strong start. It’s mid at best.

Monster Hunter beta $0
Dragon Age: Veilguard $60

I mean, it’s fairly obvious why the free beta of a much bigger franchise (and sequel to a game that sold around 10 million units on Steam alone) has a lot more players.
 

Shubh_C63

Member
Why shouldn't we compare this launch to other launches of 2024 ?
Recently every game is either super flop or super hit. No in between. I hate to admit but 70K at launch is pretty alright.

It compares to other Re-launched games that came on PC after consoles or Major DLC releases. No return to form obviously.

Name2024 Launch Numbers
Black Myth Wukong2400K
Helldivers 2500K
Throne & Liberty350K
Destiny 2 : The Final Shape300K
Last Epoch250K
The First Descendant250K
Dragons Dogma 2230K
Once Human230K
Space Marine 2220K
Granblue Fantasy110K
Multiversus110K
Metaphor85K
Dragon Age : Veilguard75K
StarWars Jedi Survivor70K
New World DLC60K
Diablo 4 New Season55K
Tekken 850K
GoW Ragnarok35K
Frostpunk 235K
Balatro35K
Final Fantasy 1630K
Age of Mythology Retold25K
Starfield DLC20K
Suicide Squad10K
Hellblade 24K
Skull & Bones2K
Squirrel with a Gun2K
Prince of Persia1K
Dustborn0K
Concord0K
 

Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Monster Hunter beta $0
Dragon Age: Veilguard $60

I mean, it’s fairly obvious why the free beta of a much bigger franchise (and sequel to a game that sold around 10 million units on Steam alone) has a lot more players.
I don’t doubt that MHWi will do much bigger numbers even when people pay for it, but yeah, a free beta compared to a paid game doesn’t make sense as a comparison.
 

Killjoy-NL

Member
70k concurrent is good for B grade janky games such as Earth Defence Force 6 (the games good btw)

For western triple A publisher with cost over 100 million and took more than 5 years to make?

Yeah that aint good at all no matter what people say.
Wasn't Dragon Age always a B grade game?
 
Why shouldn't we compare this launch to other launches of 2024 ?
Recently every game is either super flop or super hit. No in between. I hate to admit but 70K at launch is pretty alright.

It compares to other Re-launched games that came on PC after consoles or Major DLC releases. No return to form obviously.

Name2024 Launch Numbers
Black Myth Wukong2400K
Helldivers 2500K
Throne & Liberty350K
Destiny 2 : The Final Shape300K
Last Epoch250K
The First Descendant250K
Dragons Dogma 2230K
Once Human230K
Space Marine 2220K
Granblue Fantasy110K
Multiversus110K
Metaphor85K
Dragon Age : Veilguard75K
StarWars Jedi Survivor70K
New World DLC60K
Diablo 4 New Season55K
Tekken 850K
GoW Ragnarok35K
Frostpunk 235K
Balatro35K
Final Fantasy 1630K
Age of Mythology Retold25K
Starfield DLC20K
Suicide Squad10K
Hellblade 24K
Skull & Bones2K
Squirrel with a Gun2K
Prince of Persia1K
Dustborn0K
Concord0K
Thanks for taking the time to make this. It depends on the game to determine how successful it is. For example Wukong would have been alright even if it only hit 70k peak due to it's very low budget. Granblue Fantasy Relink would have been alright too even if it was at 70k. Dragon Age Veilguard however would be alright if it was having the 350k launch numbers of Throne and Liberty due to it's much bigger scale, budget, and brand name combined as a video game. Now because today was HALLOWEEN, this means the 70k number peak isn't it's true peak(you put 75k instead of 70k there for it) So the true peak of Veilguard remains to be seen and will come within these past few days which I'm 100% sure it'll surpass the current 70k peak it has.

That reminds me that Dustborn and Concord didn't even hit 1k lol, not even 100 for Dustborn lmao. Surprised to see Prince of Persia that low. Never played it's games but thought it'll be a lot higher. Forgot how low Hellblade 2 was at, thought it'll be at 20k which would still be a flop of course but didn't expect only 4k. Glad to see Space Marine 2 doing well although I already knew that as it's my GOTY 2024.
 
Wasn't Dragon Age always a B grade game?
Not even close so you better respect Dragon Age!

It was a AAA game as even the last one that came out 10 years ago cost 150 million to make at least. To compare the high quality masterpiece Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart a PS5 game cost 81 million and is considered a AAA game. Wukong and Stellar Blade both cost around 50 million to make and are still consider AAA games. Even the 10 year Dragon Age game cost way higher than any of these three games. Big AAA fantasy games are expensive to make so expect a 2024 Dragon Age game like Veilguard to cost at least around twice the amount of their pervious decade old game if you factor in everything like marketing etc.
 
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Not even close so you better respect Dragon Age!

It was a AAA game as even the last one that came out 10 years ago cost 150 million to make at least. To compare the high quality masterpiece Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart a PS5 game cost 81 million and is considered a AAA game too. Big AAA fantasy games are expensive to make so expect a 2024 Dragon Age game like Veilguard to cost at least around twice the amount of their pervious decade old game if you factor in everything like marketing etc.
if this is true. they are cooked
 
if this is true. they are cooked
There's still hope within these next few days, the ccp is at 37,545 now but that's because people are sleeping now for school or jobs or they're drunk and wasted from partying. So let's see the big surprise in the next few days. I for one believe it's 100% going to surpass it's current 70k peak. I believe in them!
 
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There's still hope within these next few days, the ccp is at 39,048 now but that's because people are sleeping now for school or jobs or they're drunk and wasted from partying. So let's see the big surprise in the next few days. I for one believe it's 100% going to surpass it's current 70k peak. I believe in them!
absolutely they are. 70K is nothing. the issue wil be by how much.
 
The vibe of the reviews so far appears to be "it's going alright so far/it's not as bad as I thought/at least it's not on Origin!" (2 hours played).

Has the bar really sunk that low? Or is this just copium from fans who are desperate for the return to form™ that is never going to happen.
 
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Alexios

Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Mostly Positive now.

I didn't know anyone cares for concurrent players in a (not time limited trial of a not) single player game, how weird. That's the Xbox stats era for you I guess🤷‍♂️

Was any Dragon Age outside the very first even notable? I guess Inquisition turned out ok or inoffensive at best? I'd think fans of Origins moved on, the series even seems to have switched genres. I was initially thinking to ask how it compares to Baldur's Gate 3 but I guess it simply doesn't, any more.
 
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Killjoy-NL

Member
Not even close so you better respect Dragon Age!

It was a AAA game as even the last one that came out 10 years ago cost 150 million to make at least. To compare the high quality masterpiece Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart a PS5 game cost 81 million and is considered a AAA game. Wukong and Stellar Blade both cost around 50 million to make and are still consider AAA games. Even the 10 year Dragon Age game cost way higher than any of these three games. Big AAA fantasy games are expensive to make so expect a 2024 Dragon Age game like Veilguard to cost at least around twice the amount of their pervious decade old game if you factor in everything like marketing etc.
Interesting.

The franchise always seemed like an okay-ish budget game to me. Production cost doesn't necessarily change anything about that.

I'm actually surprised if previous games sold way better than Veilguard, tbh.
 

Raven117

Member
Monster Hunter beta $0
Dragon Age: Veilguard $60

I mean, it’s fairly obvious why the free beta of a much bigger franchise (and sequel to a game that sold around 10 million units on Steam alone) has a lot more players.
Sure. But come on. All this about a “Halloween holding it back” is pure bullshit.

Time will tell of course. It will probably clear 100,000 over the weekend.
 
Then none of Bioware’s stuff is your Jam…they introduced the first LGBT character in the entire Star Wars universe in the original KoToR with Juhani…Dragon Age Inquistion was stuffed with it: Dorian and Iron Bull being an item, Sera, Celene, Brialla…Kreme with the non-binary. This is the equivalent of figuring out Rage Against the Machine is a band that talks about politics….
This is about the truest statement you can make regardless of your leanings.
 
It's unfortunate someone released the Monster aka Monster Hunter Wilds on the same day or else we'll be seeing those 300k to 400k ccp on Veilguard right now.

Only reason Dragon Age is at 70k was because someone unleashed the Beast a.k.a Monster Hunters Wild.

I also think the monster hunter wild players don't celebrate Halloween while the Veilguard ones does
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Ozriel

M$FT
Not even close so you better respect Dragon Age!

It was a AAA game as even the last one that came out 10 years ago cost 150 million to make at least. To compare the high quality masterpiece Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart a PS5 game cost 81 million and is considered a AAA game. Wukong and Stellar Blade both cost around 50 million to make and are still consider AAA games. Even the 10 year Dragon Age game cost way higher than any of these three games. Big AAA fantasy games are expensive to make so expect a 2024 Dragon Age game like Veilguard to cost at least around twice the amount of their pervious decade old game if you factor in everything like marketing etc.

Dragon Age inquisition was made in just over 3 years, using an in-house engine, a subteam of BioWare and paying Alberta Canada salaries.

Anyone who believes Dragon Age Inquisition cost anything even close to $150 million needs to have their head examined.

Full development on Veilguard apparently started off in 2021 after Anthem got canceled. I don’t expect the budget to be anything extraordinary for an AAA title, tbh
 

Ozriel

M$FT
The vibe of the reviews so far appears to be "it's going alright so far/it's not as bad as I thought/at least it's not on Origin!" (2 hours played).

Has the bar really sunk that low? Or is this just copium from fans who are desperate for the return to form™ that is never going to happen.

Most of the user reviews I’ve read are a whole lot more positive than this, with quite a lot of praise for the combat and some praise for the visuals (especially hair tech).

Seems like you’re the one reaching for copium here. Now it’s ’mostly positive’, we’re down to sneering at positive reviews now?
 

Toons

Member
Nothing sad about it. If you don't like the game - great, that's fine. Leave it for people who like it to enjoy. Games selling well - even ones you don't like - are good for everyone in the industry.

Imagine if instead of cheering for things to fail, we ignore the ones we don't like and cheer on the ones we like?

Darn right.
 

Denton

Member
Full development on Veilguard apparently started off in 2021 after Anthem got canceled. I don’t expect the budget to be anything extraordinary for an AAA title, tbh
You think the development of the previous iterations of DAV that were canceled and rebooted was free?

Cyberpunk cost over 320M also because, eventhough the development of its final iteration only started in 2016, there was team already working on other, later scrapped iterations of it since 2012.
 
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Why shouldn't we compare this launch to other launches of 2024 ?
Recently every game is either super flop or super hit. No in between. I hate to admit but 70K at launch is pretty alright.

It compares to other Re-launched games that came on PC after consoles or Major DLC releases. No return to form obviously.

Name2024 Launch Numbers
Black Myth Wukong2400K
Helldivers 2500K
Throne & Liberty350K
Destiny 2 : The Final Shape300K
Last Epoch250K
The First Descendant250K
Dragons Dogma 2230K
Once Human230K
Space Marine 2220K
Granblue Fantasy110K
Multiversus110K
Metaphor85K
Dragon Age : Veilguard75K
StarWars Jedi Survivor70K
New World DLC60K
Diablo 4 New Season55K
Tekken 850K
GoW Ragnarok35K
Frostpunk 235K
Balatro35K
Final Fantasy 1630K
Age of Mythology Retold25K
Starfield DLC20K
Suicide Squad10K
Hellblade 24K
Skull & Bones2K
Squirrel with a Gun2K
Prince of Persia1K
Dustborn0K
Concord0K
Quote noticeable that it had less players than the new Atlus RPG - that Metaphor game. Somewhere there is an alternate universe where Bioware maintained its greatness and kicked that game's ass.
 

DenchDeckard

Moderated wildly
For the people asking if it is good, Baldur's Gate 3 has 56,651 right now, more than a year after release. All you need to know.

That i need to know, is one of the biggest commercial and reviewed games of all time still has a large player base?

they would need to make a completely different, much better game to compete with that bad boy lol
 

YuLY

Member
Desperate leftists wanted to praise the joke of 70k that Veilguard managed and then Monster Hunter comes out with almost half a mil and shows what real AAA games do.

For a game that was in dev for 6-7years with at least one reboot, these results are a disaster, there is no way EA is happy with 70k for such a francize and a game that had both time and budget.
 

StueyDuck

Member
Is it sad that a game that, in your opinion, is not good is selling well? So every game out there must be for your personal taste?

It's your opinion that it's not a good game. Lots of people obviously think it's a amazing game.
I have not played it btw, but will probably check it out at some point. And yeah, I really enjoyed earlier games in the series. They changed it a bit for this one. That's not a problem, that's just how things work sometimes.
Other times people complain a lot when a game series does not change. This time the art is a bit goofy and they have some purple trans stuff in there (from what i've read). Couldn't really care less about that last bit, but would love to see the game more gritty and dark.

But by your logic every game YOU don't like is bad, and should not sell well. That's a bit silly.
Is it bad for you because it's different from earlier games in series? Is it because it's "woke"?

You seem s bit paranoid that if it's "bad" and sells, then everyone will make games like that and it's all doom and gloom.
Well, that's just not gonna happen.
The gaming industry is full of ALL kinds of different games in various styles, and judt because a "purple woke game" is getting good reviews and (maybe) selling quite well, doesn't mean every game from here on will be like this one game.

I think you worry too much if you actually believe this game should flop just because it's not for you.
I'm sure you'll have lots of other great games to choose from, both now and for many, many years to come!
It's sad that a bad game is selling well... yes.

Ummm have you not played games recently

Again this isn't some right wing conspiracy. It's just how business works.

Have you looked at the AAA space lately in gaming? You don't think publishers follow trends? Most modern games have objectively been bad. With either poor optimization, poor writing or just general poor game design.

The worst people are the ones who think they are literally Jesus because they conveniently ignore everything to seem perfect. "How does it effect you personally" is not as smart as rebuttal as you think it is.

Business doesn't operate on feelings. It operates on how they can make the most money then quickest.

You keep focusing on the trans stuff which let's be honest, is your not so veiled agenda you are trying to push. I'm saying the game itself is bad, the combat looks shit/ is shit, the story is shit and according to all the gameplay footage out there the game design is shit too.

The only positive is that it seemingly runs well on PC but that's not what publishers are going to take away from it.

Pubs are gonna look at it and go, fuck we put barely any effort, hired some b-tier talent and we made bank, let's just keep doing that. Any other IP we got lying around that will keep the dummy masses placated with their need to consume and need for content
 
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