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DriveClub Review Thread.

gaming_noob

Member
Ooooh! I'll take that wager.

You round up the names of the folks saying "if the game is fun, why complain" in this thread. Cross reference those names against a resolution thread of your choice. For the sake of argument and to give you a sporting chance, we'll mark "most" as 50% +1.

3 PM Pacific should give you enough time. See you then.

You're going to perm ban him for that?
 
Actually, you're wrong. The scale has been widened so far this gen. Tell me, does the Gamespot review indicate that this is a bad game? I can answer it for you: no, it doesn't. They feel it is a bog-standard, average game, and they give it a bog-standard, average score of 5/10.

Thank goodness the wider scale is being used these days.

Gamespot, by giving it a 5, says that out of the 66 other games they've reviewed on the PS4, only 5 are worse.

YOU are wrong. Gamespot can use the word "mediocre" as their description for 5 all they want. They are lying. They are calling Drive Club terrible.

And the thing is, reviewers aren't using a wider scale, except for a handful of titles. You can't do that and have a meaningful review scale.
 

5amshift

Banned
Very hard to grasp this is getting low scores when Watch Dogs is crushing it right now on Metacritic.


Guys, Watch Dogs.
Definitely going to play the PS+ edition, but that's it.
 
Ooooh! I'll take that wager.

You round up the names of the folks saying "if the game is fun, why complain" in this thread. Cross reference those names against a resolution thread of your choice. For the sake of argument and to give you a sporting chance, we'll mark "most" as 50% +1.

3 PM Pacific should give you enough time. See you then.

A gambling man!
 
Have we hit the "Review Scores shouldn't even exist!" phase yet?

They're useful because you can normalize based on the text, so if a review docks points for it not having a rewind or not being open world, then you can apply a correction :)

To be honest, I gave up paying attention to reviews for music, movies, books or games a long time ago. I value my own judgement more.
 

VanWinkle

Member
Gamespot, by giving it a 5, says that out of the 66 other games they've reviewed on the PS4, only 5 are worse.

YOU are wrong. Gamespot can use the word "mediocre" as their description for 5 all they want. They are lying. They are calling Drive Club terrible.

And the thing is, reviewers aren't using a wider scale, except for a handful of titles. You can't do that and have a meaningful review scale.

No, they aren't. WHY are you comparing this score to all other scores? Do you not comprehend that some reviewers like different things, and that they can judge games based on their respective genres and not in comparisons to all other games? If I was reviewing Uncharted, I wouldn't ask, "Is this game better or worse than Madden 15?"

If a review says that a game is merely average in pretty much every way, and gives it a 5/10, then how in the WORLD are they lying? That's the score this person gave it, and that's the score they decided best describes an average game.
 

m@cross

Member
I hate how metacritic does its scoring, way to much power for high/low ratings skewing results.

If you take the mean currently and adjust it with standard deviation, the game is actually hitting a 78 right now, not to bad. Low score after adjustment is a 70 and highest is an 86.

To clarify this further
Based on current scores
Any score >86 or <64 should be considered as possible outliers. Any score >97 or <53 should be considered crap ;p
 

BashNasty

Member
In what way do you think they negatives?

The lack of a rewind button is perhaps the best thing ever. It's ruined racers in my opinion.

As for the cutting corners penalty, what's wrong with the game trying to encourage players to become good at the game instead of using shortcuts or trying to cheese their way through a race.

Lack of rewind button? Oh dear.

See, subjective opinions. I prefer my racing games to lean a bit more casual. I'm not really interested in trying to race "perfectly", so both cutting corners and a rewind button allow more leeway in races and make the genre more enjoyable for me.
 

rjcc

Member
crap. turns out I didn't pre-order it, it asked for my playstation password and I never went back to put it in. Now there's no discount showing in the store, but it says I can download the PS Plus version, then upgrade at a discount. when is the playstation plus version showing up?
 

Jimrpg

Member
For the record, eurogamer gave NFS Rivals, 9/10.

That's a racing game, helicopters, 200m jumps, police cars crashing into you, press O or X to fire emp's!!! Ohhhh you've popped your wheels, never mind, magically re-inflate, as you do.

Unfortunately, with driveclub, all you can do is drive a car and try and win races, somebody tell bernie ecclestone he's been doing it wrong and hire jason statham.

It's just one persons tastes, maybe he needs stuff that explodes all the time.
 

IcyEyes

Member
Why?



It ruins nothing.

I need a long post to explain this, but in a few words I've seen good racing game players "ruined" in their skills because of this "button".

I love real racing competition and how professional driver spens hours to improve their skills on every turn, trying to "eat away" every inch in every point of the track.

The rewind button is simply against my philosophy.
If you make a mistake it's a lot better trying again after a few minutes, in the meanwhile you will improve your skills and your knowledge of the track and then, when you hit again the same point where you made your mistake, you attention will double and there are good chances you will not repeat the same error.
I thinks the rewind button is a very lazy option, maybe someone manages to use this option in a very good way, but right now, all my friends who are hardcore racing players just "hate" that option.
 
It isn't "acting out". It is review scores falling closer to where they should be after a generation of grossly overrating games.

I really hope this is true cause last gen blew chunks. PS1 and PS2 days I read reviews for nearly every game I was thinking of getting, and normally if a game scored below 70 I hated it, 70 to 80 was always a coin flip if liked it or not, 80 and above and I really liked it. Last gen though, there were many many games that scored in the low 90s or mid 80s and I thought they sucked. I ended up just not even bothering with the reviews unless it was a really high profile game, and even then I worried a bit.
 

Spookie

Member
So it's a semi-sim racer minus the intricacies of Project CARS. Is suffering from a lack of modes, par of the course for these guys from what I played on Motorstorm, and has AI that is incredibly rigid in it's driving structure. So much so it'll ram you off the road if you're not following the exact driving line?

Reading reviews the game comes across as half baked. I know that's a hell of a volatile term to use in a review thread. But a fair few features appear TBC. I bought a PS4 at the end of the day to play Destiny & Driveclub, I was incredibly disappointed by Destiny and that trend appears to be continuing. :/
 

QaaQer

Member
I'm starting to hit that. After seeing games that I consider boring/trash getting 80-90, and then games that are amazingly fun like Driveclub or Destiny getting lower than that, it seems like reviewers are pretty much going into most reviews now with conceived notions of what they expect in the game, and if it doesn't hit all the boxes it gets bad or mediocre scores.

It's not so much that. Rather it it is the homogeneous makeup of reviewers: 20-40 year old males, mostly white, who have 5-20 hours to slog through a game. You also don't get genre specialists, so they are just content dilettantes/tourists. So, games that depend on good review scores to sell copies have tailor themselves strictly to those tastes. Reviewers are actually hired to participate in game design, btw. Games are made by reviewers, for reviewers.

I don't think it is a coincidence that the biggest games with the most passionate fan-bases are ones where reviews might as well not even exist, games like LoL/Dota2/DCUO/WoW/CoD/Fifa/etc.

Motorstorm was not bomba. It was a great game with a 84 metacritic.

85 is the dividing line, sorry.
 
I'd wager that most of the people suggesting that "if the game is fun, why complain" are the people who like to get involved in the 1080/900 60/30 discussions. The same applies there.

Even looking past your baseless wager, you are comparing something that is 100% subjective to something that is 100% objective. If resolution and framerate didn't matter why not just go back to the SNES? People want to have a good time with games, and it is totally ok to want to have a good time where the performance and visuals look the best. Especially perfomance, because poor framerate or even doubling the frame rate can have a large impact on one's enjoyment.
 

T.O.P

Banned
Ooooh! I'll take that wager.

You round up the names of the folks saying "if the game is fun, why complain" in this thread. Cross reference those names against a resolution thread of your choice. For the sake of argument and to give you a sporting chance, we'll mark "most" as 50% +1.

3 PM Pacific should give you enough time. See you then.

holy shit

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Noobcraft

Member
And you won`t even try it then it amirite? sigh what happened to playing the fucking games and making yourself an opinion... Worth more than any score
He probably will try it (its not like he can return it) but he probably should have realized that there was a possiblity that he won't like it before he dropped money on it. The game even has a relatively deep demo (PS+ edition).
 
I`ve read a negative was no driving line wtf how did these people play racers 10-15 years ago

I played the game a bit this morning (server was having problems). Have to say I was surprised when there was no racing line. Very used to it because of other recent racers. But to knock off points because a game tried something new (which isn't really new but just new for modern racing games) with the racing line removed is silly. It would be like knocking points off for no rebounding health in an FPS.
 

prwxv3

Member
Damn! I really was hyped like hell for this game.

I don't think there has been a 1st party game for the PS4 has lived up to the hype so far.
I really wanted a PS4 earlier this year, but couldn't justify a purchase when review scores like this saying that there is no must have game to get.

Whats the next big PS4 exclusive coming up soon? The Order?

Bloodborne come out early next year too, you should try out driveclub though.
 

Oersted

Member
So it's a semi-sim racer minus the intricacies of Project CARS. Is suffering from a lack of modes, par of the course for these guys from what I played on Motorstorm, and has AI that is incredibly rigid in it's driving structure. So much so it'll ram you off the road if you're not following the exact driving line?

Reading reviews the game comes across as half baked. I know that's a hell of a volatile term to use in a review thread. But a fair few features appear TBC. I bought a PS4 at the end of the day to play Destiny & Driveclub, I was incredibly disappointed by Destiny and that trend appears to be continuing. :/

There seems to be a increasing gap between PR promises and actual delivery.
 

SolidJum5

Neo Member
Ooooh! I'll take that wager.

You round up the names of the folks saying "if the game is fun, why complain" in this thread. Cross reference those names against a resolution thread of your choice. For the sake of argument and to give you a sporting chance, we'll mark "most" as 50% +1.

3 PM Pacific should give you enough time. See you then.

I can only imagine what he feels like when reads that.

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Damn! I really was hyped like hell for this game.

I don't think there has been a 1st party game for the PS4 has lived up to the hype so far.
I really wanted a PS4 earlier this year, but couldn't justify a purchase when review scores like this saying that there is no must have game to get.

Whats the next big PS4 exclusive coming up soon? The Order?

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PS4 owners have a lock for a winner with it.
 

Hawk269

Member
except developers who need to dedicate time to implement and support these options.

options, in any design, are not free. some are cheaper than others, for sure, but they all require time to think about and implement and then support. And too many can detract from the focus on key items.
This was originally a launch title. They had time to add some common options found in the majority of racing games.
 
Aren't you tired of Sony first party games being on the 7s range?? Is it too much to expect better games from Sony when lately most of its games are mediocre to average? Except for naughty dog and Japan studios I see games scoring below or equal to 7..The Order?? 7 or less write it down

Don't worry, perennial high-scorers FIFA, COD and Assasins Creed will be pumped out every year for you to play, just like they have been for the past 6-8 years.

Looking at Metacritic, the gaming press is trying to tell us we should all buy these boring franchises every 12 months. Yay.
 

Knoxcore

Member
Will LittleBigFloatyControls or The Order break the 80 MetaCritic ceiling!?


I don't think the PS4 will have a retail exclusive game score above an 85 until Uncharted. The Order looks mediocre. Again, and this seems like a theme this gen, pretty graphics over gameplay seems to be what's in. I'll always take gameplay over graphics (which is why I think the 1080p fiasco seems overblown to me). Bloodborne's pedigree has a good track record so perhaps that will do it.

Frankly, I think these reviews are spot on. I don't know why people are losing their heads. I expected more for a year delay.
 

Gestault

Member
As someone who loved the game design aspect of sunlight in the Forza games (particularly the color temperature deliberately overlapping with those of the braking line in F5), this segment from the Paul Semel review really made me happy:

The irony about the typography in DRIVECLUB being too small is that this is one of the few racing games where the graphical fidelity actually impacts the gameplay. While it usually doesn&#8217;t matter if the mountains in the background are picturesque, since you&#8217;re supposed to keep your eyes on the road, DRIVECLUB actually uses the light of the sun in interesting ways. Besides driving both day and nice races, there are also times when you&#8217;re racing during sundown, which sometimes means driving with the sun in your eyes. Which, if you&#8217;ve ever done, you know can be a bit disconcerting, since you can&#8217;t see four feet in front of you. But what&#8217;s unnerving in real life becomes a real challenge in DRIVECLUB, and a welcome one at that.
 
Ooooh! I'll take that wager.

You round up the names of the folks saying "if the game is fun, why complain" in this thread. Cross reference those names against a resolution thread of your choice. For the sake of argument and to give you a sporting chance, we'll mark "most" as 50% +1.

3 PM Pacific should give you enough time. See you then.

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I'll never understand the mentality of people who need an endless parade of 9 and 10 rated AAA first party games to justify their console purchase.

I've got around 30 games for my PS4, at least 20 of which are third party/indie. Even without any of the exclusives, I still have a great and diverse library of games to play.

Feel sorry for people who are close minded :(
 

shark sandwich

tenuously links anime, pedophile and incels
Games just gotten worse. Anyway if you just look at a score and say "this is a bad game" you are doing it wrong. That's the real reason why Metacritic doesn't mean jack shit. It's not the score that matters but the content in the actual review text. That's because everyone views games differently. For example someone might not play multiplayer at all and if a review says "everything else I liked but multiplayer is offensively bad" then you should be able to adjust accordingly. Applies to just about everything in video games.

I actually think that in a way, review scores are more meaningful than the text because it's an honest assessment of the reviewer's overall opinion.

When you play a game, do you make a list of pros/cons, carefully deliberate on it, then decide the score? No, you probably know instinctively how you would score it, then you attempt to put into words what you liked or disliked about it.
 

prwxv3

Member
Will LittleBigFloatyControls or The Order break the 80 MetaCritic ceiling!?]

I don't think the PS4 will have a retail exclusive game score above an 85 until Uncharted. The Order looks mediocre. Again, and this seems like a theme this gen, pretty graphics over gameplay seems to be what's in. I'll always take gameplay over graphics (which is why I think the 1080p fiasco seems overblown to me). Bloodborne's pedigree has a good track record so perhaps that will do it.

Frankly, I think these reviews are spot on. I don't know why people are losing their heads. I expected more for a year delay.

Have you played the game? You can't say they are focussing graphics over gameplay without playing it.
 
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