• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.

Ebola vaccine with 100% success rate developed

Status
Not open for further replies.

guggnichso

Banned
Can you explain why 'cancer vaccines' shouldn't be considered vaccines?

1.) "Cancer" is not a singular disease, intead there's a lot of different dieseases described by that word. While you can have therapeutic vaccines that work against a certain percentage of a specific type of cancer, f.e. against melanoma, those would not work against any other type of cancer or the same type of cancer with another mutation.

See for example in melanoma, we have treatment that specifically works against cells that harbour the BRAF mutation v600e. These tratments are extremely effective, and BRAFv600e could be a very nice antigen to develop a therapeutic vaccine against. Now, the problem is however, that in nearly all patients treated with BRAF v600e drugs, the drug is at first extremely effective, however, within a short time the cancer comes back in full force, this time with a predominant mutation in NRAS, making it immune to the BRAF treatment and even more agressive.

So, what every vaccine like compound we might ever come up with will still be a very individual treatment.

2.) Preventative vaccines against cancer are not preventative vaccines against cancer, but instead preventative vaccines against certain microbes, that might cause cancer as a side effect, i.e. HPV.

What I basically want to say, by calling them vaccines, the general public expects not only a singular shot during childhood to be next to immune against cancer, but they also expect cancer to be a disease that shares a common denominator that we could actually create a vaccine against. This does not work, simply because every different cancer is so heterogenous, hell, even if I would have say lung cancer, I guarantee you that if you would take a metastasis out of my body and look at it on a singular cell basis, you would find hundreds of completely different cells with completely different mutations in that lump, every mutant waiting for something to kill all the others, so it can outgrow them all.
 

GiJoccin

Member
Well from what I understand 'cancer vaccines' inject material that induces the immune system to attack cancer cells. This is done in patients that already have cancer and the material injected is precisely tuned to the specific cancer present in the patient.

I'm not talking about viruses.

that's not really a 'vaccine' then, at least not how most people think of it - more like immune system modulation
 

E92 M3

Member
In some cases, those vectors can be prevented by a vaccine.

Sure it's not a direct cancer vaccine, but it is effectively equivalent in the sense that vaccines against certain viral diseases will decrease the co-incidence of cancer with those diseases.

I know, just not a fan of calling it "cancer vaccine." The term doesn't make sense, even though it does to the common public.
 
all it took was some western scare to care

glad i wasn't the only one thinking it

Should have been first post.

No fucking shit right?

White people in Western Civilization were in danger, cure in a year.

Cant wait for Americans to start seeing cases of cancer in their population than, come on man this is a great break through.


Amazing what can be achieved when killer viruses begin to threaten western nations.


Work on VSV-EBOV for humans began in 2010. It was being mass produced for human trials before the 2014 outbreak occurred in Africa.
 

Grym

Member
Lots of uninformed in here. Vaccines take a long time to come to market. This was being worked on long before ebola became a western scare. smh
 
If you were to put your tinfoil hat on, it's interesting that this comes right after an outbreak. I'm sure countries will now be lining up to pay for this vaccine.
 
D

Deleted member 20415

Unconfirmed Member
Love this, glad it's been developed.

Wasn't one of the greatest factors for the recent outbreak that people did not trust hospitals or doctors? If there's that ignorance, what good is a vaccine if people are fearful of the people administering it?
 

NateDog

Member
Man this is incredible news, I hope they can get it to as many people as possible as soon as possible. Wonder how well they can distribute it across Africa.
 

Nivash

Member
Ha ha. Beat me to it.

Developing a vaccine is never a fast process.

The outbreak probably sped things up though. I imagine the project got a lot more attention and priority when Ebola suddenly moved from hitting the odd Congolese village to half of West Africa. But yeah, saying this development is due to the white people in danger effect is both inaccurate and a bit offensive. The western world was never in danger. If we had just cared about ourselves we would simply have done what some of the more pannicky people suggested and closed the borders. This vaccine was developed because people in Africa were dying, not in Europe or America.

Regarding the vaccine itself this is great news. Considering that Ebola is a rather simple virus with low rates of mutation and few sub-strains the resounding effectiveness isn't completely out of the blue but you can never really know before you test it in vivo. A shame we still can't eradicate it though, but if the duration of immunity is long enough we should still be able to protect the at-risk populations. With 100 % effectiveness herd immunity shouldn't be too difficult to achieve. I guess it will come down to cost - maybe the WHO will subsidize it if they can get the world leaders to realise that it would save them money in the long run. The medical campaign to get the 2014 outbreak under control wasn't exactly cheap.
 

Andrin

Member
I guess we will never see the rage virus from 28 days later




....

Science is fucking awesome. And for those countries that really need it this will be a godsend

The Rage virus is actually a mutated strand of rabies, not ebola, and share a lot of its characteristics, only on a more extreme and highly accelerated level.

As for the news itself this is really exciting and can make a huge difference in containing any further outbreaks, though I wonder if it covers all of the different strains of ebola out there. As far as I know the recent outbreak was one of the least lethal strains and not the Zaire one (the one with a 90-97% lethality).
 

Nivash

Member
Love this, glad it's been developed.

Wasn't one of the greatest factors for the recent outbreak that people did not trust hospitals or doctors? If there's that ignorance, what good is a vaccine if people are fearful of the people administering it?

Complete myth spread by the media. The problem was that the nations that were hit are so poor that they lacked the medical capacity to deal with the outbreak. For instance, Liberia lost almost its entire healthcare system during its decades-long civil war. In 2006 the country had no more than 51 doctors total caring for a population of 3.8 million. You can compare that to the population of Los Angeles that probably has somewhere over 9 000 doctors going by the US physician-per-capita statistics of 240/100 000.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_in_Liberia
 

Stet

Banned
The outbreak probably sped things up though. I imagine the project got a lot more attention and priority when Ebola suddenly moved from hitting the odd Congolese village to half of West Africa. But yeah, saying this development is due to the white people in danger effect is both inaccurate and a bit offensive. The western world was never in danger. If we had just cared about ourselves we would simply have done what some of the more pannicky people suggested and closed the borders. This vaccine was developed because people in Africa were dying, not in Europe or America.

Regarding the vaccine itself this is great news. Considering that Ebola is a rather simple virus with low rates of mutation and few sub-strains the resounding effectiveness isn't completely out of the blue but you can never really know before you test it in vivo. A shame we still can't eradicate it though, but if the duration of immunity is long enough we should still be able to protect the at-risk populations. With 100 % effectiveness herd immunity shouldn't be too difficult to achieve. I guess it will come down to cost - maybe the WHO will subsidize it if they can get the world leaders to realise that it would save them money in the long run. The medical campaign to get the 2014 outbreak under control wasn't exactly cheap.

Absolutely. Fast-tracked clinical trials are a godsend when it comes to quick deployment.
 

Nivash

Member
The Rage virus is actually a mutated strand of rabies, not ebola, and share a lot of its characteristics, only on a more extreme and highly accelerated level.

As for the news itself this is really exciting and can make a huge difference in containing any further outbreaks, though I wonder if it covers all of the different strains of ebola out there. As far as I know the recent outbreak was one of the least lethal strains and not the Zaire one (the one with a 90-97% lethality).

The 2014 outbreak virus was a Zaire subtype. The claim that Zaire has over 90 % fatality rates is somewhat of a myth - that was only observed in one outbreak in 2002 involving less than 150 cases. Looking at all outbreaks since the virus emerged in 1976 the case fatality hovers between 50 and 80 % with a few outliers in either direction.

The case fatality rate for the 2014 outbreak has been estimated to roughly 70 %, somewhat less for hospitalized patients.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs103/en/

http://epidemic.bio.ed.ac.uk/ebolavirus_fatality_rate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ebola_outbreaks
 

sangreal

Member
Remember when mass hysteria was leading to people demanding aid workers be locked up until they could prove they don't have Ebola?

Not to mention kicking kids out of schools for visiting the african continent

Shameful
 

Kal_El

Member
Is this an after I have ebola I take this or a preventive I'm going to a place where there might be ebola so I take this drug?
 

Stet

Banned
Is this an after I have ebola I take this or a preventive I'm going to a place where there might be ebola so I take this drug?

It's a preventative let's make enough that we can distribute it to Médecins sans frontières and start the slow process of eradicating human ebola drug.
 

Nivash

Member
Is this an after I have ebola I take this or a preventive I'm going to a place where there might be ebola so I take this drug?

It's preventative, like other classic vaccines such as for hepatitis or for TBC. No estimates for how long it's expected to keep you immune just yet but with an immunity strong enough for 100 % effectiveness it will hopefully turn out to be lifelong.

EDT: beaten by Stet
 
Work on VSV-EBOV for humans began in 2010. It was being mass produced for human trials before the 2014 outbreak occurred in Africa.

So, Ebola vaccine work started in 2010.

Dormant virus Ebola has huge breakout in Africa 2013/2014

Incurable virus cured in 2015.

Hmmmmm. Okay.
 

Escape Goat

Member
This is great! So were basically safe until a stronger ebola comes around or is it gone for good?

Theyre still trying to eradicate polio in Pakistan/Afghanistan. The vaccine has been around for almost 70 years but people dont trust WHO because the CIA tried inserting undercover agents into the region. Then you have places in Africa that dont trust modern medicine to treat AIDS. They believe folk medicine, like having sex with a virgin, will cure them.

Safer? Most definitely. But never 100% safe.
 

Nivash

Member
This is great! So were basically safe until a stronger ebola comes around or is it gone for good?

We won't get rid of it forever because it uses fruit bats as a host (Ebola infecting humans is basically by accident; it's a perfect fit for the bat because it colonizes them without making them sick) but the vaccine should be more than enough to protect us. Thankfully Ebola doesn't mutate very much - again probably because of the bats not making it necessary - and it's a rather small virus so I doubt we'll see super-Ebola any time soon.

If the countries that can be affected in Africa can afford to make it a childhood vaccine this could essentially be the end of Ebola as a human disease for the foreseeable future. Or at least relegate it to something like rabies.

Theyre still trying to eradicate polio in Pakistan/Afghanistan. The vaccine has been around for almost 70 years but people dont trust WHO because the CIA tried inserting undercover agents into the region. Then you have places in Africa that dont trust modern medicine to treat AIDS. They believe folk medicine, like having sex with a virgin, will cure them.

Safer? Most definitely. But never 100% safe.

We're very close to eradicating polio though. There were only 416 cases in 2013, down from 350 000 in 1988. So far we've only had 34 cases this year. If we're lucky we could be no more than a few years away.

http://www.cdc.gov/polio/updates/
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top Bottom