Screaming Meat
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Isn't it just?
Edge #256: Why PS4 is your next console (Shots fired, post-DRM 180)
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Isn't it just?
I've never seen them declare a winner before the fact, and the E3 05 issue didn't. Their coverage was about the E3 showings, and basically reflected that Sony had succeeded in spoiling Microsoft's E3, which at the time they did. It reflects on Sony appearing more experienced and evocative vs a roughness to Microsoft's presentation, and picks Microsoft up for not appearing ready. Its general closing sentiment on the next-gen console war is that it's 'messy'. That issue was not picking a winner of the generation.
reptilescorpio
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Gemüsepizza;67664541 said:
There are loads of games that have not been announced yet. Some will be launch, some will be window, some will be other. Some might even fall into a little category I call TLGv13.
I don't get why? They are in the business of giving opinions and selling magazines. I imagine with that cover they'll sell more copies than usual and if the content is accurate and warranted then what's the problem?
ChorusLindarr
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No reason to assume any magazine or media outlet should be at all neutral.
Almost every single media outlet in videogaming displays some kind of preference for one platform over another. The editors and journalists themselves will invariably have their own personal preferences which will be reflected in their work. That's hardly unprofessional.
I would consider it a touch naive and a large part too idealistic for anyone to expect media or news outlet in any industry to be entirely neutral.
Anyway, I think Edge is just reporting on the prevalent mindset currently proliferating around the globe on which next-gen console is looking to be the "safest bet" to invest one's time and hard earned cash in. I see at Edge doing a public service, as well as their jobs, to inform people as per the events and reports proceeding the two console reveal events and E3.
People will naturally make up their own minds anyway, and as long as Edge's article sticks only to the facts then they allow people to make their own informed decisions about which one to buy.
Eurogamer's Digital Foundry has been making platform recommendations for console multiplatform games for the entire generation. Edge is merely doing that for a console based on the facts and their own opinions (no different from DF).
Hydrargyrus
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I agree with that!
Btw, the PS4 design looks awesome!
Btw, the PS4 design looks awesome!
Not to mention the Kinect sized loogie still dangling from our noses.
Edge's new issue definitely reflects what the vast majority of people felt after E3, Microsoft screwed up majorly and all but handed Sony this generations console win. Even with a complete 180 reversal in change of policy with how they will do things MS basically dumped a lot of good will and trust they had built up all these years while Sony amazingly hit every high point without failure which was mind blowing considering how they tended to screw up so much before this as well.
Castef
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See Edge? It is working!
Anything for the hits.
Integrity? Every time I read about "game journalism" all I see is that they're in bed with developers and publishers. Handing out 8/10's and being all buddy about it. EDGE took a stand, as a magazine, like real journalist do. This is what they believe, and they have the right to write a case for it. Will it screw with their relationship with Microsoft PR? Of course, but they at least had the balls to print it, to actually put money behind their words.
Will be interesting to read the article, because the coveris just made to stir the pot. Doesn't mean anything until I've read it
Maybe 'picking winners' was too strong, but it clearly shows that EDGE have not shied away from picking favourites, much like the 'Did Sony already win the war?' cover a little later; that's what I was getting at. This cover is nothing new for them.
MikeJAMoran
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When The Guardian says "Vote Labour in the next election", did the Labour party pay for it? Or is it the paper's own political stance?
But if there's an ad in the paper saying vote labour, they did. And there has to be a clear advertising/editorial split in order for that to be acceptable by all press standards.
There's a weird view on the internet that criticism must be objective. That's the antithesis of criticism. None of us have read the article, so none of us can fairly comment on its content, on its tone, on its argument.
A lot of outlets "rate" E3 press conferences. When one gives Sony an A, and Microsoft a C, is that being paid for?
It's an opinion. It's a debate. And that's all this is. Not an ad, not paid for. If you honestly think it is, that's your prerogative, but you must take everything else in media and journalism with a grain of salt too!
heliconsoul
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If, when I read the article, they back it up with facts and well thought out opinions there is no reason at all why they shouldn't run the cover.
They're a magazine providing consumer advice, via ways of review and opinion pieces. If the roles were reversed I'd have no issue with them plastered an Xbone on the front with the tag "This is your next console"
I don't understand the negative reaction to this.
People moan when the specialist media delivers shameless, baseless hype and PR pieces, criticising the likes of Kotaku and Polygon for not punishing the mistakes or asking questions of policy decisions of the major platform holders and studio's.
Now a mainstream and widely respected print magazine does exactly that and it's suddenly a problem or they're fanboys?
Rock and a hard place. They cannot win.
People moan when the specialist media delivers shameless, baseless hype and PR pieces, criticising the likes of Kotaku and Polygon for not punishing the mistakes or asking questions of policy decisions of the major platform holders and studio's.
Now a mainstream and widely respected print magazine does exactly that and it's suddenly a problem or they're fanboys?
Rock and a hard place. They cannot win.
Titanfall honestly looks like JAGS (just another generic shooter). Dime a dozen etc. Why people are excited about it is beyond me.I think this would have been better..
I AM WEAK AND EASILY PERSUADED!
REMEMBER CITADEL
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It wasn't much different in 2006, to be honest. Back when the "PlayStation 3 versus the world" issue came out in February 2006, the PS3 dream has already started crumbling, albeit the final $599 blow didn't happen until that year's E3. That still didn't stop them from endorsing PS3 for Christmas that year:
A few months later they had another very optimistic PS3 cover story, although the situation for PS3 didn't really start improving until months later, when the $399 40 GB model was launched.
Not to say that Edge was biased back then, but they were not this hard on PS3.
Oh and this isn't the first time they've done a cover like this. They made one with a PC on the cover saying something like "The Next Big Thing". The article wasn't about them being all "fuck consoles blablaba" but instead wrote an interesting article about China and India in the game software market and how PC is the lead platform there since everyone has one capable of simple games.
This, goddamn this.
lucius
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Why is this so surprising really though?
The vast majority of gamers on here and even other places feel Xbone was on the wrong path and still has more negatives than the PS4. I guess that it is Edge it is a surprise because you have to admit they seemed like they had a special relationship with MS in the past. I still say they pull a 180 in a couple months, these magazines can really live or die with just MS marketing $.
The vast majority of gamers on here and even other places feel Xbone was on the wrong path and still has more negatives than the PS4. I guess that it is Edge it is a surprise because you have to admit they seemed like they had a special relationship with MS in the past. I still say they pull a 180 in a couple months, these magazines can really live or die with just MS marketing $.
Dry your eyes Gents there's nothing you can do...nothing at all
heliconsoul
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Exactly. Real double standards shown by some people on this forum when it comes to journalism. "Grow some balls, but don't go too far or show an opinion we don't like"
robertsan21
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well any magazine that cant say what they feel or know is true just because they are afraid of having ads pulled are not a magazine worthy of calling itself a magazine and will hopefully die IMO.
I say good on Edge for saying what they feel is right even if it stings in someones eyes. Some gaf members have some very double standards when it comes to Gaming Journalism.
How is a magazine neutral? This thread, what's wrong with people?
Gemüsepizza
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What exactly is unprofessional about this? The PS4 is objectively the better console. That doesn't mean that there won't be good games on X1 and that you should not buy it ever.
NemesisPrime
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Integrity? Every time I read about "game journalism" all I see is that they're in bed with developers and publishers. Handing out 8/10's and being all buddy about it. EDGE took a stand, as a magazine, like real journalist do. This is what they believe, and they have the right to write a case for it. Will it screw with their relationship with Microsoft PR? Of course, but they at least had the balls to print it, to actually put money behind their words.
Will be interesting to read the article, because the coveris just made to stir the pot. Doesn't mean anything until I've read it
Don't pretend they are being "brave" or "have the balls" and make them look like heroes. It is shit journalism. Case closed.
Again, if they make valid points about why the Xbox One is not the best console for the average gaming joe then it would be both professional and informative.
We need to have a look at that article.
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Wow. I am fucking speechless. Congrats. For the first time on the internet I have been utterly silenced by ignorance.
NEWSFLASH: ACTUAL SOURCES OF JOURNALISM SHOULDN'T HAVE A POLITICAL SLANT
Jesus fuck I can not believe I had to type that.
In this instance you clearly don't know what professionalism is.
I imagine that's where your confusion is coming from.
You should have spent more time constructing your argument here, because that is a issue from 2005, coming after E3 2005, notice the boomerang controller? Notice "2005" in the top right corner?
They did not disclose the price, riiiiiiidgeeee raceeeeer or anything at that event.
You are being dishonest by taking a EDGE magazine issue and sending it forward in time after E3 2006 to support your argument that EDGE is biased. Look at the dates, look at what actually happened
What's so great about the launch lineup of X1?
Forza 5, fewer features than Forza 4 but prettied up. Graphics are important but they aren't everything, I'm not paying $599 for a sim racer with no major innovations when I can get GT6 for a console I already own.
Dead Rising 3, made by a bunch of guys in Vancouver who made the inferior sequel to DR already, and are now going to make the third game without Inafune to help guide them, while trying to appeal to "the CoD audience". Yeah, I have zero faith in this game.
Ryse, looks like a launch title turd akin to Lair. Big name team that has lived in a single genre making very pretty games suddenly tries a different take on new console hardware, leaves out game play design on their way.
Killer Instinct, a F2P fighting game by Double Helix with help from Rare. Only Double Helix has never made a truly good game and all the people originally involved in KI are no longer at Rare.
All the interesting titles shown at E3 were 2014 titles.
I'd bet on Killzone and DriveClub as the launch games people will still go back to a year from launch.
GoofsterStud
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All signs point to Xbox One failing.
Edge is a tech magazine and PS4 is the better tech at a better price. The general public will see this, and many will go with the PS4. This is great for the industry. Microsoft needs to learn what "good will" is.
Edge is a tech magazine and PS4 is the better tech at a better price. The general public will see this, and many will go with the PS4. This is great for the industry. Microsoft needs to learn what "good will" is.
MikeJAMoran
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Mike Gapper has confirmed the article was written after the DRM reversal.
Hah, my point still stands. Although it was only an example - I'm not equating it with, say, Edge affiliating it with PS4 straight through. If I had to guess (again, we've not read the article), I'd say they're just saying the PS4 had a better start out the gate.
Hah, my point still stands. Although it was only an example - I'm not equating it with, say, Edge affiliating it with PS4 straight through. If I had to guess (again, we've not read the article), I'd say they're just saying the PS4 had a better start out the gate.
No matter where you stand in this console war, what is made clear with this cover is that Microsoft is in deep doo doo en thay can't just laugh this one off. Perhaps EDGE is biased, perhaps it's payback for the cancelled press conference post E3, who knows? What is obvious is that MS can't afford to have this type of press leading up to launch without it having significant impact on sales figures. The time to repair the damage done by their disastrous E3 presentation is now.
Is it? Have you read the article? The covers is crazy because they have to sell, on the stand, but what about the actual content? It's like no-one is allowed to have an opinion anymore
(EDIT) Hahaha love the "case closed" at the end. Sorry, forgot that I can't discuss it here, on this discussion board, for video games and video game related things.
Uno Venova
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Sucks I have to leave, this thread has entertainment.
Heroes? What?! Have you read the article? How can you possibly come to this small minded conclusion from the cover alone?
You don't know shit about journalism. Case closed.
boredandlazy
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People often criticise gaming journalism because it doesn't take a tough enough stance on the big issues, now Edge is being criticised because they are.
Is the headline sensationalist? Undoubtedly. Do a lot of people's reactions here conform to my first sentence? I think so.
Is the headline sensationalist? Undoubtedly. Do a lot of people's reactions here conform to my first sentence? I think so.
Having apparent favourites - which Edge has - is a bit different from anointing a console or telling people to avoid another. They've never done that that I can recall. I've seen them run various covers about platforms - like Dreamcast, and the original Xbox - that questioned those platform's performance and relevance and future, but it was always after the fact, reflecting market or publisher reception rather than their own opinions on the platform and whether it's a good choice for the consumer. For example, the Xbox story was very separate from their own, very positive, sentiments towards that platform. They've never ever, that I can recall, told people to avoid a system as they sort of appear to be doing now.
cookie-monster
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Honest and to the point, I might resubscribe.
Damn, I really, really hope we can have another golden generation like PS2 and DS. Golden generations encourage software competition because the hardware issue is removed from the equation.
Damn, I really, really hope we can have another golden generation like PS2 and DS. Golden generations encourage software competition because the hardware issue is removed from the equation.
Screaming Meat
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Reading something before you make up your mind about it is the antithesis of the internet.
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