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Elizabeth Olsen cast as the Scarlet Witch in AVENGERS: AGE OF ULTRON

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GuitarAtomik

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Aasir Osu said:
My apologies if this has been answered in this thread, but: is there a definite source that details what characters and concepts that Fox has rights to? Some of the responses on this topic have been super-specific, so I'm wondering where this info has been discussed or disclosed.

I guess I should look into this Inhumans push from Marvel, and what it might mean for their regular roster of mutants; part of me even dreads getting back into all of this, as I'm sure whatever's been going on in the MU (and DC for that matter) is hopelessly convoluted. I wonder if either company would ever dare publish monthly single issue books with no concern for shared-universe continuity?
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Don't think there is any up to date source at the moment that has all the info. I'll lay out what I can remember off-hand:

FOX:
Has the rights to ALL mutants, Fantastic Four, Galactus, Silver Surfer, and the Skrulls.

Exceptions to this are:

  • Marvel has joint rights (ie they can use them as well) to Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch because of their long time Avengers affiliation. The only catch is Marvel can't refer to them as mutants.
  • Marvel has joint rights to the Skrulls, but only Fox can use the Super Skrull.
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SONY:
Has the rights to Spider-Man.

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UNIVERSAL
Has the rights to Sub-Mariner aka Namor.

Though he's technically a mutant, it was a retcon that happened about 20 years after his creation so he doesn't count in the Fox deal.

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Everything else is Marvel's at this point. Rights to characters that reverted back to Marvel recently include: Daredevil, Punisher, Ghost Rider, Luke Cage, and Blade.

Things of note:


  • The rights revert back to Marvel if a new movie isn't IN PRODUCTION within 7 years I believe. Daredevil apparently got two extensions but the last was rejected by Marvel (supposedly when the rumored Silver Surfer/Galactus trade fell through). Universal still has the rights to Namor because they keep renewing them but Marvel can reject that any time.
  • All of this only applies to movies. Marvel can use these characters on TV (even in live action I believe).
  • Characters can be loaned between other studios. For example, the rights to Kingpin were originally tied to Spider-Man with Sony and Fox had to acquire the rights from Sony to use him in the Daredevil movie. There are conflicting statements on whether the rights were actually loaned or sold to them so it's unclear if Marvel has the rights to him now that Daredevil is back with them, or if Fox still has the rights.
  • Because the rights to certain characters are also tied to their real names (ie Spider-Man/Peter Parker), there are some loopholes here and there for certain things. For example, Marvel could use Miles Morales (the current Ultimate Spider-Man) in the movies and even give him Spider-Man powers, but they could never call him Spider-Man or use a costume that legally infringed on any of the CINEMATIC versions of the costume.

ScreenRant.com has a breakdown of specifically what characters each studio has/had though it's slightly out of date.
 
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GuitarAtomik said:
SONY:
Has the rights to Spider-Man and Ghost Rider.
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Marvel / Disney regained the rights to Ghost Rider.

http://www.slashfilm.com/marvel-studios-once-again-controls-rights-to-ghost-rider-and-blade/

Because the rights to certain characters are also tied to their real names (ie Spider-Man/Peter Parker), there are some loopholes here and there for certain things. For example, Marvel could use Miles Morales (the current Ultimate Spider-Man) in the movies and even give him Spider-Man powers, but they could never call him Spider-Man or use a costume that legally infringed on any of the CINEMATIC versions of the costume.
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Marvel / Disney were able to use Iron Patriot, even though he was tied to Norman Osborn, a Spider-Man villain.
 
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Nesotenso

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Fox recently hired another dude to take a crack at the FF script. It seems it has gone through numerous rewrites. Hopefully they keep screwing up well into 2015 so that the rights revert to Marvel.
 
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Blader

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Nesotenso said:
Fox recently hired another dude to take a crack at the FF script. It seems it has gone through numerous rewrites. Hopefully they keep screwing up well into 2015 so that the rights revert to Marvel.
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On that note, I was going to add to Guitar's post that if FOX doesn't get cameras rolling on FF by next fall, the rights lapse back to Marvel.
 
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Akahige

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Miles Quaritch said:
YES, YES, YES, YES!

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Interest in the movie just shot up ten fold.
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so purty
 
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Ifrit

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GuitarAtomik said:
Don't think there is any up to date source at the moment that has all the info. I'll lay out what I can remember off-hand:

FOX:
Has the rights to ALL mutants, Fantastic Four, Galactus, Silver Surfer, and the Skrulls.

Exceptions to this are:

  • Marvel has joint rights (ie they can use them as well) to Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch because of their long time Avengers affiliation. The only catch is Marvel can't refer to them as mutants.
  • Marvel has joint rights to the Skrulls, but only Fox can use the Super Skrull.
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SONY:
Has the rights to Spider-Man.

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UNIVERSAL
Has the rights to Sub-Mariner aka Namor.

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Everything else is Marvel's at this point. Rights to characters that reverted back to Marvel recently include: Daredevil, Punisher, Ghost Rider, Luke Cage, and Blade.

Things of note:


  • The rights revert back to Marvel if a new movie isn't IN PRODUCTION within 7 years I believe. Daredevil apparently got two extensions but the last was rejected by Marvel (supposedly when the rumored Silver Surfer/Galactus trade fell through). Universal still has the rights to Namor because they keep renewing them but Marvel can reject that any time.
  • All of this only applies to movies. Marvel can use these characters on TV (even in live action I believe).
  • Characters can be loaned between other studios. For example, the rights to Kingpin were originally tied to Spider-Man with Sony and Fox had to acquire the rights from Sony to use him in the Daredevil movie. There are conflicting statements on whether the rights were actually loaned or sold to them so it's unclear if Marvel has the rights to him now that Daredevil is back with them, or if Fox still has the rights.
  • Because the rights to certain characters are also tied to their real names (ie Spider-Man/Peter Parker), there are some loopholes here and there for certain things. For example, Marvel could use Miles Morales (the current Ultimate Spider-Man) in the movies and even give him Spider-Man powers, but they could never call him Spider-Man or use a costume that legally infringed on any of the CINEMATIC versions of the costume.

ScreenRant.com has a breakdown of specifically what characters each studio has/had though it's slightly out of date.
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That's fascinating
 
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Cth

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GuitarAtomik said:
FOX:
Has the rights to ALL mutants, Fantastic Four, Galactus, Silver Surfer, and the Skrulls.

Exceptions to this are:
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Once again, Fox does not have the rights to ALL mutants.

Specifically, Cable, Namor and others have been mentioned outside of the Fox deal. Add in the Quicksilver/Wanda situation and it's a common misconception spread.

http://variety.com/2009/film/news/marvel-s-hiring-writers-1118001734/

"Gathering of scribes will help Marvel come up with creative ways to launch its lesser-known properties, such as Black Panther, Cable, Doctor Strange, Iron Fist, Nighthawk and Vision."
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Cable is kinda pointless for the MCU, since his story is so tightly engrained with mutant-kind, and they can't do X-Force.

I guess they could do a Cable In Name Only situation, but who would want that?
 
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GuitarAtomik

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Cth said:
Once again, Fox does not have the rights to ALL mutants.

Specifically, Cable, Namor and others have been mentioned outside of the Fox deal. Add in the Quicksilver/Wanda situation and it's a common misconception spread.
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There are exceptions, but it's generally true. I'm pretty sure Fox has the rights to Cable. They've been working on an X-Force movie and have specifically mentioned that they're probably going to use Cable. I already mentioned Namor is at Universal. Similar to Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch, he's only exempt because his mutant status was retconned much later after his creation (he debuted in 1939, while the X-Men didn't show up until the 60's). I edited my post again to explain that though since I forgot he's a mutant. There aren't that many retconned mutants in the Marvel U (I can't even think of any others) and those would be the only ones that would be in the murky territory.
 
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Nether!

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What up with Namor being at Universal?
Does anyone, anywhere know of any more details than Feige confirming the rights being held by Universal this summer?
 
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GuitarAtomik

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Nether! said:
What up with Namor being at Universal?
Does anyone, anywhere know of any more details than Feige confirming the rights being held by Universal this summer?
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Apparently they keep renewing since they are still trying to develop it. Not sure when the last time was but Marvel can decline to renew it any time ala Daredevil (which was extended twice before they decided they wanted him back). My guess is that either Marvel has no intentions on using him ANY time soon so they keep letting Universal give them free money, or they will decline the next time and get him back.

Honestly, it really makes no sense to decline it unless they have a good idea where they could use him which really is unlikely since Namor wouldn't work all that well as a starring movie (since he's an arrogant dick), is too expensive for a TV show (because of all the water), and is usually only used as a villain against the Fantastic Four which Marvel doesn't have the rights to yet. He WOULD make a decent Avenger threat (which happens in the comics sometimes) but Avengers is obviously working towards Thanos and Namor wouldn't make sense until after that which would be YEARS away. So they might as well just take the free money and still have the possibility of someone else taking the financial risk of making a movie.
 
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odiin

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Nether! said:
What up with Namor being at Universal?
Does anyone, anywhere know of any more details than Feige confirming the rights being held by Universal this summer?
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Back in like 2007 a Namor movie was in development at universal. I believe the guy who did terminator 3 was supposed to direct it and there was a lot of talk about having the Rock star but it obviously went nowhere. I'm really surprised they still have it. I'd imagine it's pretty hard these days to get a new marvel based franchise off the ground without the MCU to back it up.
 
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Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
wow, this is some terrible casting in my opinion. The Avengers casting has been so spot on up until now (besides the mess that is Mark Ruffalo as Hulk UGH) but this is a mis-fire :(
 
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crimsonspider89

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Huh? The guy is drunk? Right?

IDK... how to respond.

Yep. Going with drunk. Ruffalo was an awesome Banner and Olsen has the acting chops to be a good Wanda. Now give her the black hair and make sure that Pietro is the biggest douche possible.
 
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The Lamonster

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Wait a minute, I just heard Tom Hiddleston is not in this one...is that true?

Is Loki's final appearance in these Marvel films going to be Thor 2?
 
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GuitarAtomik

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~Devil Trigger~ said:
:/ urgh

well, i guess that'd fit in with Cosmic Marvel, with Inhumans being Kree creations and all
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It's probably the best way to get around the Mutant problem. They can modify the lore a bit and still make it work with the "real" Inhumans. In the comics, after being abandoned by the Kree, the Inhuman race wandered the Eurasian continent before settling in what would be Attilan. You could say during that journey, groups split off on their own and eventually interbred with regular humans. Now human descendants of those Inhuman/human children who still have enough latent Inhuman DNA have the potential to manifest powers after puberty during times of emotional stress.

Since Inhuman powers are pretty random and have just as much variety as mutant powers, it would be the perfect replacement and you could still have the "pure" Inhuman society that continued their journey and lived this whole time in seclusion in Attilan.
 
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diaspora

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GuitarAtomik said:
It's probably the best way to get around the Mutant problem. They can modify the lore a bit and still make it work with the "real" Inhumans. In the comics, after being abandoned by the Kree, the Inhuman race wandered the Eurasian continent before settling in what would be Attilan. You could say during that journey, groups split off on their own and eventually interbred with regular humans. Now human descendants of those Inhuman/human children who still have enough latent Inhuman DNA have the potential to manifest powers after puberty during times of emotional stress.

Since Inhuman powers are pretty random and have just as much variety as mutant powers, it would be the perfect replacement and you could still have the "pure" Inhuman society that continued their journey and lived this whole time in seclusion in Attilan.
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