anonymous_abc
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But don't pretend to speak for everyone or even the majority.
UKIP 25% not 75%
FN 25% not 75%
ect...
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European Parliament Elections 2014 |OT| The Undemocratic EU is Actually Elected
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But don't pretend to speak for everyone or even the majority.
UKIP 25% not 75%
FN 25% not 75%
ect...
So let me get this straight:
- in 2017 there will be a referendum if the British want to leave the EU
- in 2017 there will be presidential elections in France, where the FN just became strongest party
- a huge chunk of Europe hates the German paymasters
I fear for the European project.
- in 2017 there will be a referendum if the British want to leave the EU
- in 2017 there will be presidential elections in France, where the FN just became strongest party
- a huge chunk of Europe hates the German paymasters
I fear for the European project.
DeFiBkIlLeR
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I bet the Guardian and it's metropolitan left wing readers are in mourning today, watching their utopia crumbling around them.
I think they possibly might now there's been a significant increase in like minded MEPS from across the EU.
Angry Fork
Member
I am hoping this is the left reaching rock bottom, but I suspect we can go much further before a real resistance/alternative can begin. At least Syriza won in Greece, which is a start, but the fascists gaining ground all over is dooming.
It was worth reading this post just to learn some new words.
anonymous_abc
Member
It will be interesting to see whether a far right group will be formed.
Won't be easy, they need MEPs from 7 different countries...
Doczu
Member
That's the only thing i am doing. Choosing wisely (oh and to the guy that pointed me to do a NO vote - no thanks).
I am not pretending to speak for a majority (or for anyone i don't know), i'm just stating that there are more, and more eurosceptics.
Yeah no.
We have enough data to show that increase visibility is not likely to change anything, they're lazy fucks before anything.
Sickboy007
Member
They can't be that lazy, they have got to where they are.
Oh noes our neoliberal utopia swapped one batch of neoliberals for another.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
You're missing the best part!
lol
UKIP really are idiots.
You have an unemployment rate of 6,8 and getting down, why do you want a tougher immigration system for? UK is not even in Schengen, do you really think is it going to be better for you out of the Union?
There are mechanism to leave the Union, the Article 50 says so (but of course, you know shit of all that because why bother when you can be crying about your lack of "rights"). Get enough votes and get the fuck out, it´s simple. But you leave with all the consequences. Let's see how that goes for you.
Those threads are also a great way to put priviledged fuckers like you on my ignore list, see you never.
You'd be surprised, racist cyclops was there for the last 6 years or so and all he did was taking his checks.
They don't even care when he run his mouths calling for the death of millions anymore anyway.
Seriously they're lazy, stupid and racist.
fun fact, only 1 party in France was advocating for this.
And that's not the racist cyclop's excuse of a party that proposed this.
Instead the others are all about 'renegociating treaties' because that's ever happening.
Eh, usually when I make a serious analysis about M5S I try with all my power to avoid their more clownish perks. It's hard as hell, but apparently this time I made it!
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
You're missing the best part!
lol
UKIP: Being a bunch of pigheaded bigots and ignorants even when trying to be inclusive.
Nicktendo86
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I think it is clear now that the European project, as it stands, is finished. It just doesn't have the approval of the people.
For what its worth, I don't think Britain will leave. I think we will get some good renegotiation and the way will be improved. I hope, anyway.
For what its worth, I don't think Britain will leave. I think we will get some good renegotiation and the way will be improved. I hope, anyway.
That's a great silver lining right here, this fucker was really one of the worst.
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So vocal minorities decide that now?
DeFiBkIlLeR
Banned
There you go..typically snotty, condescending response from the left.
...and you wonder why 'white van man' is no longer voting Labour.
Being educated, left wing and middle class doesn't make you any less of a tosser.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Nicktendo86
Member
People who voted for anti EU parties in such numbers cannot be ignored. It wasn't just that, parties that actively support the EU (such as the lib dems) didn't get votes. Is that a mandate for the EU to carry on full steam ahead?
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
I am utterly aghast at Poland's politicians. I always thought it was one of the most enlightened countries from the old Block, but the amount of BS coming from them since those little evil twin dwarves rose to power (granted, that was probably the first time Poland made some actual waves in the EU, even if it was for all the wrong reasons) has been mind numbing.
I don't really understand.
Nicktendo86
Member
Just found out today that ukip's Scottish mep is gay. But he opposes gay marriage. I'm confused :s
That's the beauty of protest voting and far-right populism - it's not about what they do, it's about what they supposedly represent.
The Sweden Democrats (God i hate that name, it's not even grammatically correct!) had their second-in-command get filmed calling a prominent Swedish comedian a baboon, a random woman a whore and another guy the Swedish version of nigger lover. He and two other party members then literally grabbed iron pipes because they supposedly felt threatened, thankfully the police intervened before things got really out of hand.
The aftermath? The guy got kicked out of the party but is still a member of the Swedish Parliament. He wasn't charged with any crimes. Support for the Sweden Democrats increased.
You tend to get hyperbolic hysteria back as an argument when you raise concerns about the EU.
Immigration has nothing to do with employment figures rather the downward pressure it puts on the wages of those employed and who can afford it least. The UK and other major EU economies saw sharp numbers of poorly trained tradesman such as electricians, plasterers, joiners etc etc arrive from Eastern Europe and they aggressively undercut prices with some willing to work for minimum wage. It only takes one or two companies to utilise this cheap labour to gain a competitive edge and pretty much all companies have to obtain labour at the same prices. UK's building sites used to be well paid places where apprenticeships were plentiful and it all pretty much disappeared overnight.
It's OK for those with office jobs which depend on the quality of the native language to feel secure and protected in their bubble from mass immigration and can pretend it isn't a problem but there are those who are suffering because of it. At one point prices and dropped by 50 easily, very few earn anywhere near today what they could 10 years ago.
Some UK factories employ translators because of the availability of cheap labour willing to work for the legal minimum it's cheaper to pay people to translate the various languages on the shop floor.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/blog/2013/mar/04/ukip-energy-climate-policies
So there is nothing surprising about UKIP as far future technologies, climate science or immigration is considered. Insular populism, bigoted misogynistic views, skepticism towards science and just promoting ignorant solutions at all levels. But I suppose there are no other political entities to channel ones frustrations with so FN, UKIP and so on it is.
So there is nothing surprising about UKIP as far future technologies, climate science or immigration is considered. Insular populism, bigoted misogynistic views, skepticism towards science and just promoting ignorant solutions at all levels. But I suppose there are no other political entities to channel ones frustrations with so FN, UKIP and so on it is.
Let's go further back and say Britain also invented colonialism why not. The mental gymnastic and the people who believe it...
Goldrusher
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http://www.faz.net/op900/event/europawahl/live/#/europemap
black = democrats
red = socialists
yellow = liberals
green = green
purple = far left
brown = far right
blue = EU sceptics
Some radical gays think buying into marriage is a mistake and gay people should forge their own path when it comes to relationship style.
They probably aren't opposed for that reason.
Nicktendo86
Member
Ukip's argument on immigration is actually a very good one, we should be pulling in doctors and other high skilled workers from India, Africa etc rather than just low skilled workers from Eastern Europe who drive down wages. I don't think that is an entirely unreasonable argument. Issue is whether you believe them or if they would just pull up the drawbridge.
Edit: makes sense dead man, although I don't understand why it would be bad to have equality and still have the ability to go your own, unique way if you like. Seems self defeating to me :/
Edit: makes sense dead man, although I don't understand why it would be bad to have equality and still have the ability to go your own, unique way if you like. Seems self defeating to me :/
Yeah, you really showed dem PC-liberal hippie tree huggers how it's done! Good for you!
Do you really think anything good will come out of self-indulgent spite?
Wiktor
Member
Yeah...a large part of our society (at least that who votes) is just bizarrely dumb. When we have overthrown communism we had first free presidential election. In first round the first democratic prime minister lost to a nobody who just flew from Canada with a black suitcase where he supposedly had compromising information about our goverment. Only in second round did he finally lost.
From that moment it was obvious a large part of polish society is just beyond fucked up. Sure, for a long while we've been enjoying decent predictable government, but the support for them is slowly drying out I'm terrified what will happen in next elections. That little spiteful and hateful dwarf might once again rise to power then and this time I doubt he will ever give it back, even if he has to use secret agencies against his competitors.
http://www.faz.net/op900/event/europawahl/live/#/europemap
black = democrats
red = socialists
yellow = liberals
green = green
purple = far left
brown = far right
blue = EU sceptics
PD (Italy) is hardly socialist.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluralistic_ignorance
From this book. Took a screen cap of the Google books excerpt as it doesn't lend itself to easy pasting.
What makes you think there's a shortage of high skilled workers over low skilled workers?
IDK about the UK but in France we lack low skilled workers more than high skilled ones, then again not one citizen would pick the kind of work we give to the lowest illegal immigrant anyway...then again it's too hard to search for facts and analyse a situation rather than scream "DEY TOOK OUR GERBS!"
Immigrants across the EU only have a few months to prove that they can sustain themselves in their new country which sounds great. If they don't get a job just send them back right?
Nope, because they will do whatever it takes to to find work and that usually means undercutting current prices/wages heavily to whomever will listen to them.
Nope, because they will do whatever it takes to to find work and that usually means undercutting current prices/wages heavily to whomever will listen to them.
You're missing the best part!
lol
That's amazing. I love how life works out sometimes. I hope that Dr. Benedetto was laughing internally as he made that tweet.
Nicktendo86
Member
I'm just repeating their argument, not saying I believe it is 100% true. Taken atnface value though I would say it is reasonable.
Frankfurter
Member
In the UK it's in huge trouble, but for the other countries it really depends. In Germany for example anti-EU parties couldn't manage decent results. The AfD is the only of the "major" parties to be sort of opposed to the EU, but even they "only" criticize certain aspects (including those that people like Krugman criticize btw.).
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
"We threw our weight behind a platform based on agressive anti-immigrant rethoric, climate change denialism, homophobia, isolationism and outrageously risible economic policies, but it was worth it just to spite the lefties. HAHA. Also, the UKIP is a respectable party".
DeFiBkIlLeR
Banned
I wouldn't know, I didn't vote for anyone.
I just despise the incredibly patronising attitude of the left towards the people that had the temerity to vote for UKIP.
Cause and effect.
It is reasonable if the situation if you don't take into account whether there's any demand for any kind of job.
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