Yea surely in the 54 years they've been writing Fanastic Four comics there are no stories of quality. Nailed that one on the head.
Fantastic Four Trailer # 1
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Yea surely in the 54 years they've been writing Fanastic Four comics there are no stories of quality. Nailed that one on the head.
Tawney Bomb
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They didn't show much, so this could be a surprise.
I don't think that's what he meant. I think he meant that because the ff have been known to be white (at least in the public eye for the majority of ff existence, not entirely sure about the comics as I haven't read them to know if there have been adaptations of black members), why they chose to change it now. I guess the same scepticism if they cast a Japanese actor to play peter Parker, or an Irish guy to play blade.
Nothing wrong with that, but it isn't what the character are known to be.
Sounds good.
Between this movie and the new Star Wars movie, you're going to have salt and diet-racism by the fucking tons.
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Maybe cause it's the actors traits they wanted, not so much care about the race..
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I meant the joke behind people subconsciously going for one or the other, I didn't mean it in a snarky "well that's because your comic sucks because reasons also internet hate" sort of way.
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The armour would end up larger than Cancerverse Galactus.
Schweinehund
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Honestly I prefer stuff like this than say, spiderman one's teaser that showed the Green Goblin fight at the bridge. Trailers that reveal too much shit ruin movies for me. A trailer should establish a tone (and hopefully not trick people like IM3's mandarin trailers) and some brief glimpses of the film.
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"Well yeah, but I mean it's always been about them working together as a family. I mean, if he's adopted, isn't that kind of weakening the message behind the Fantastic Four: that no matter who you are, no matter what you become, you'll always have someone you can call your loved one? I mean, 'Johnny' isn't even a black name!"
Well, the trailer didn't show much but it did show that they really did make a movie, instead of laundering money for the mob or something! 
Some thoughts:
- The narrative and the first half of the trailer seems to be riding on the same thing Interstellar was. Cynical scifi setting with a glimpse of optimism about discovery and risks, etc.
- I quite like a number of shots shown. There's definitely something unique about the tone and cinematography. Doesn't really feel "right" with regards to how I feel about Fantastic Four, but interesting nonetheless.
- The cast looks fine, the exploration uniforms look fine, some of the effects seem either early or just the least interesting parts of what they're willing to show at the moment. Negative Zone looks kinda underwhelming, hopefully they're holding that back, because it would be kinda lame to set the huge part of the film in a barren asteroid looking Negative Zone.
Some thoughts:
- The narrative and the first half of the trailer seems to be riding on the same thing Interstellar was. Cynical scifi setting with a glimpse of optimism about discovery and risks, etc.
- I quite like a number of shots shown. There's definitely something unique about the tone and cinematography. Doesn't really feel "right" with regards to how I feel about Fantastic Four, but interesting nonetheless.
- The cast looks fine, the exploration uniforms look fine, some of the effects seem either early or just the least interesting parts of what they're willing to show at the moment. Negative Zone looks kinda underwhelming, hopefully they're holding that back, because it would be kinda lame to set the huge part of the film in a barren asteroid looking Negative Zone.
"Should have named him Jamal Storm" -somebody on the internet, I'm sure.
Fixed for better name.
Marc
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Best actor for the job becomes they're friends and he is like the character, which is the whole point of acting... generally not playing yourself. Again, I just don't follow the logic. If he wants the guy in a sci-fi movie then just make an original film. Chronicle was brilliant I thought, and unique with the original conception, in spite of its found footage format. Would much rather he did what he wants with his own film, and adapt a material vaguely similar to the source.
Goes back to the point that it is a Fantastic 4 movie that doesn't like that fact and tries everything it can to get around it. Where is the line being drawn for these characters, that there is 4 of them and they're fantastic? I dunno, they certainly have great actors involved although I think they're too young and not suited to the characters at all barring maybe Mara. But if the surface detail stuff is so massively different, I can extrapolate that to character changes and other things that aren't so inconsequential. The Doom rumours are just... wow.
Emarv provided a good statement from Trank as to why he changed it, I can understand that logic better. Yet at the same time, they're biological brother and sister from the material. That is their background, so why change that? It is true there are mixed families, as there were before the modern day he talks about. Why not make them two 60 year olds, that is probably inconceivable and yet they exist and are not represented much today in modern society compared to older films. Both their powers do not require any physical strength or agility to perform so why not explore that? If we're making changes for the sake of it, you can justify just about anything.
I don't understand what the problem is. The color of the character is irrelevant since it plays no part in the character development and making them sue adopted only gives them a little different family dynamic, blood or no blood their brother and sister and changing the dynamic a little doesn't change that.
I wonder how much cursing was going on at the Marvel Studios today. They had to be hoping that this film was going to turn out horrible and might still be hoping that so they can get the rights back. I don't think that's going to happen at all now. Watching the trailer several times now I think the film just needs to simply be good and Fox has a success on it's hands. Doesn't need to be amazing or film of the year. Going by the tone I think the idea that they're going to eventually cross this over with X-men looks more solid to me if all goes well.
I'm thinking the opposite. It looks generic and the non-Marvel oxygen for Superhero movies in Hollywood is slowly but surely dwindling. Superman can't even sell his own movies anymore, ffs.
Master Yoshi
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Face it Tiger..
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from family friendly romp to grim dark tdk style.
hollywood brehs.
hollywood brehs.
jack_package_200
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If the movie end up being simply good (7/10) I will be happy
Mercury Fred
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Looks unwatchable.
I, uh, yeah, I'd be in for this.
DonasaurusRex
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People are upset this film is being made in an attempt to keep the rights because avengers and batman made bank even though Fox already made 2 films and they maybe broke even and they showed no interest in the FF4. For 7 years....Other people may also be upset that people will try and create controversy about Johnny Storm when the issue with fans is, Fox left the franchise for dead, with good reason and were anticipating seeing marvel actually do the characters in the comics/other media faithfully in a MCU. Then suddenly this is slapped together and they will feign humility and say that comic book fans are racist. insert we are gonna break the status quo bullshit.
Nah bitch give up Silver Surfer, Doom , Annihilus, Galactus, Klrt , the Badoon and the rest.
This is an amazing piece of insight into the minds of the Marvelbase.
Yeah, that was a really great shot.
Loving the hell out of the vibe in this trailer.
Fox is basically just trying to tie the rights up indefinitely because they know Marvel really wants those villains back-and the money they can eventually get from Marvel from some kind of deal is worth more to them than the potential grosses of this film and it's already announced sequel. They were planning to do the same with Daredevil and tried to hastily throw together something cheap that took place in the 70's in NY simply to retain the rights. Marvel approached them and offered an extension on the Daredevil deal in exchange for Galactus....and Fox said no. Daredevil rights went back to Marvel and then Fox knows they have a very valuable property to sell down the line.
In 15 years MCU movies will be retconned, and forgotten. disposable.
The so called "95% RT Fox FF movie that misses the tone of the source material." will probably still be on peoples favorites list.
We all should be rooting for this film to be a tremendous success, creatively and financially, so it is kept out of the hands of Marvel Studios.
Marc
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So it isn't a dynamic they are going to explore? Sounds like the adoptive parents will be in it, so that is screen time dedicated to the change at the very least. It clearly has a relevance to the film and their characters. Why wouldn't an adopted Sue come up in discussion? It entirely changes her character, how could it not. If you have known an adopted kid, doesn't matter how great the background, they question themselves and their place. Why and where their parents went... these are defining things. From my experience, they often even make excuses for the parents leaving them and blame themselves (as if that makes any fucking sense, yet they will argue it anyway). And when making all sorts of stupid excuses for them get it in their head they should be tracked down and speak to them. It gets very raw and emotional, very quickly. Hell, one person I know rejected their new family to try and bond with their original parents (who still didn't want them, clear as day). Another pretty much became more and more disconnected and violent, ended up being given up again... which kept happening until he was old enough that it didn't matter anymore. Saw them degrade into a psycho for want of a better word, would snap at stupid things. I don't know with how they are doing it in the movie but I can't think of a scenario that isn't character defining. Parents dying is even worse in some ways, no answers available, wonder what they're like etc.. Maybe they will cover the negative side of that issue, but I can see it being swept along.
The race change is what it is, I personally don't think changing characters race is a good standard of adapting things and if you don't like that the source material has too many black/white/asian/etc. people then make something new. Unless race is specifically related to the background of the character, it isn't a deal breaker or anything certainly (I personally find Johnny iconic and recognisable). In this case I think the adoption thing is the much bigger and character defining change. But mostly a culmination of ticking boxes, changing everything to suit what they wanted and not the other way around. Then the people who aren't comfortable with that being attacked for their views, as if being true to the source material and offering a unique vision and interpretation are mutually exclusive.
What do you mean slapped together? This has been in development since 2009. Trank was hired as director shortly after Chronicle came out in 2012. If anything they took their time with this. Yeah you can hate the interpretation of the characters but it's not like they made this movie in a month or something.
Gambit 1138
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That arc thing that people keep saying is from Halo 3 is actually from the comics and the comics did it before Halo 3 and Mass Effect came out.
Marvel has so many interesting and deserving superhero groups to give attention to on screen.
Ultimate Fantastic Four would make your brain explode.
It's called delusion.
I mean, the last thing this movie looks like is a generic cash-in comic book flick that was slapped together quickly.
To be fair, there hasn't been much positive buzz regarding this movie and the teaser hasn't really proven either side as to how the movie will turn out.
I will say, as a Marvel fan, it's kind of obvious some are trying stick to hating this because they're disappointed it's not as terrible looking as they thought.
I hope you aren't being serious
this kind of tells more about you than it does about the film. it's an off-screen photo of two guys in front of a green screen.
also, trailer was ok. looks more interesting than the other comic book films coming this year. avengers might be ok though. sure, narration was hammy but it wasn't terrible.
Well.. Lacks energy, suspense or at least a sense of urgency. Other than black Johnny, couldn't notice a single scene that hints to anything special that incites wild speculation, at least for me. In stark contrast to how Marvel handle their stuff.
Hope they are reserving the best bits. Otherwise, feels like this will be a not-terrible, but-not-memorable-either affair. The Thing looks smaller than expected.
Hope they are reserving the best bits. Otherwise, feels like this will be a not-terrible, but-not-memorable-either affair. The Thing looks smaller than expected.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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From family friendly romp to Interstellar-esque science fiction.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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So, the blogging Doctor Doom.
How's that work? Like, I really love the tone and type of flick they seem to want to make based on this trailer, but how's he fit in?
How's that work? Like, I really love the tone and type of flick they seem to want to make based on this trailer, but how's he fit in?
You really hate Marvel studios don't you. You're almost a parody at this point.
Marc
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After what went on with the Spider-Man comics, both Ultimate and Amazing... I don't doubt it. Killed all my love for comics, kept going back to it like some abused partner ("Oh, this time will be different, you'll see"). That whole era was like making comics by committee and throwing random shit at walls and seeing what stuck. To take inspiration from that period is baffling to me, some of the worst stories you could imagine. Even the Civil War stuff, I hope they completely ignore most of that shitty arc and make their own for the movie.
Some changes I would understand for this movie and what they are trying to achieve, such as making the group mutants. An experiment like Magneto's from the original film which converts 'normals' into mutants. Ties it into the X-men franchise and how they can meet. Hell, you could even have them hit by the cosmic storm in space, jump into escape pod which lands by Magneto's machine as it is doing its thing. Those kind of changes I understand.
What a load of bs.
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