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Final Fantasy XIV Alpha Discussion
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Now that I'm familiar with how the game works, I'm really diggin it. The quest system is especially great. Its design is streamlined and players with limited playing time can get in and get out and accomplish a lot. The warps will cut down on a lot of unnecessary downtime. Can't wait to play some more.
Fox the Sly
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I'm on my way...
So a friend of mine let me play on her comp/char tonight, and I got a chance to skill up Pugilist from 1 to 6
I gotta say, despite the fact that the game was laggy as hell (low framerate, even outside of town, as well as shoddy latency) I can see how this is going to be fantastic once it's all polished up.
I'm super digging the lalafell pugilist animations It's so satisfying to rush in there and pummel things. And with getting Chakra so early on, it really helps with some of the harder mobs. I aaaalmost was able to take down a Dodo (high yellow con) solo at rank 6 Pugilist 9 Physical, but the damn thing put me to sleep and ran around back for a critical hit :lol
Can't wait for beta. Maybe I'll actually get in, and be able to play more~
I gotta say, despite the fact that the game was laggy as hell (low framerate, even outside of town, as well as shoddy latency) I can see how this is going to be fantastic once it's all polished up.
I'm super digging the lalafell pugilist animations
It's so satisfying to rush in there and pummel things. And with getting Chakra so early on, it really helps with some of the harder mobs. I aaaalmost was able to take down a Dodo (high yellow con) solo at rank 6 Pugilist 9 Physical, but the damn thing put me to sleep and ran around back for a critical hit :lolCan't wait for beta. Maybe I'll actually get in, and be able to play more~
notworksafe
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I think it's still a little early for Beta, but I hope I'm wrong from that video of it. It looks awesome.
New test dates are usually announced late Sunday/early Monday so they should be coming soon.
New test dates are usually announced late Sunday/early Monday so they should be coming soon.
Only got to play a few minutes on thursday, so last night was my first real experience with the game.
It's fun, but man is it ever FFXI-2. Same clunky menus, same painfully slow movement speed, roughly the same interface, same 'ugh, mouse support feels like an afterthought', same complete lack of indication as to what's going on.
Now, I loved FFXI, and I'd still play FFXIV even if it remains as 'samey' as it is -- But controls and interface that were a bit wonky even in 2002-2003 aren't going to win the hearts of many 2010-2011 gamers. As much as I'm thrilled that they didn't just jack wow's interface like seemingly everyone else did, they needed something better.
It was always my theory that FFXIV stood to benefit from Japan's staunch refusal to give a fuck about what western developers are doing(correctly or otherwise) and continue on their own merry way. Not becoming just a different flavor of wow is a good sign of that. But man, with that said, these guys could seriously stand to play a few more games with mouse support to get an idea of how it should actually work.
Also: God I hate stat points. Unless it'll be easy to redistribute them or have different stat point 'sets', it's going to make the game a lot less fun. Stat points defeat the effectiveness of a well-rounded character -- which is admittedly already pretty close to defeated. But still, in FFXI I can change jobs, change equipment, and be fairly effective. I have to pick my gear carefully, and some jobs will be tougher to fill than others based on my race, but it's possible. With irreversible stat points, you build to your class, and then that's it. Sure I can change jobs with my gear much more easily than I could in FFXI, but that is canceled out by the fact that I can only change between jobs that use the same set of stats. A well made tank will probably never also deal damage, or be an effective magic user. Or maybe the stats cap low, and you can be two of those things, but not three. The other scenario, where everything caps low and everyone can become a god, defeats the purpose of having stat deployment at all.
It's fun, but man is it ever FFXI-2. Same clunky menus, same painfully slow movement speed, roughly the same interface, same 'ugh, mouse support feels like an afterthought', same complete lack of indication as to what's going on.
Now, I loved FFXI, and I'd still play FFXIV even if it remains as 'samey' as it is -- But controls and interface that were a bit wonky even in 2002-2003 aren't going to win the hearts of many 2010-2011 gamers. As much as I'm thrilled that they didn't just jack wow's interface like seemingly everyone else did, they needed something better.
It was always my theory that FFXIV stood to benefit from Japan's staunch refusal to give a fuck about what western developers are doing(correctly or otherwise) and continue on their own merry way. Not becoming just a different flavor of wow is a good sign of that. But man, with that said, these guys could seriously stand to play a few more games with mouse support to get an idea of how it should actually work.
Also: God I hate stat points. Unless it'll be easy to redistribute them or have different stat point 'sets', it's going to make the game a lot less fun. Stat points defeat the effectiveness of a well-rounded character -- which is admittedly already pretty close to defeated. But still, in FFXI I can change jobs, change equipment, and be fairly effective. I have to pick my gear carefully, and some jobs will be tougher to fill than others based on my race, but it's possible. With irreversible stat points, you build to your class, and then that's it. Sure I can change jobs with my gear much more easily than I could in FFXI, but that is canceled out by the fact that I can only change between jobs that use the same set of stats. A well made tank will probably never also deal damage, or be an effective magic user. Or maybe the stats cap low, and you can be two of those things, but not three. The other scenario, where everything caps low and everyone can become a god, defeats the purpose of having stat deployment at all.
Lack of mouse controls will be the thing that pushes people away from the game that are genuinely interested that come from traditional western or korean mmos.Cowie said:
I think they would be fools if they ignored the mountain of feedback that they received on this early in the beta, of course they could choose to ignore everyone except the SE dickrider squad on the beta forums that think the addition of some type of traditional mouse control would ruin the game. :lol
I know I might seem backwards and lame for asking this...
Why are mouse controls so important? I played FFXI and I never had a problem with the controls being bad. That could be because it was my first MMO so I had to read the manual to see how to control the game.
I do agree that the controls for FFXIV are hard even without the lag. The controls seem to be different than FFXI because it was hard for me to get use to. If they didn't invert the arrow keys right out of the box and made the number pad the directional keys for moving instead of "wasd" I could catch onto the controls. Using wasd as the directional keys made it difficult for me to talk and run, which I did all the time in 11. Now I have to stop to do it. Also I hate how the chat window is done. You have to click the box or type /.
Its hard for me to want to use a mouse on a mmo. I can understand something like doom using mouse, but because I'm not aiming a gun, I'm just selecting attacks, that a keyboard with macro's would be faster and more efficient.
Please remember this is an opinion.
Why are mouse controls so important? I played FFXI and I never had a problem with the controls being bad. That could be because it was my first MMO so I had to read the manual to see how to control the game.
I do agree that the controls for FFXIV are hard even without the lag. The controls seem to be different than FFXI because it was hard for me to get use to. If they didn't invert the arrow keys right out of the box and made the number pad the directional keys for moving instead of "wasd" I could catch onto the controls. Using wasd as the directional keys made it difficult for me to talk and run, which I did all the time in 11. Now I have to stop to do it. Also I hate how the chat window is done. You have to click the box or type /.
Its hard for me to want to use a mouse on a mmo. I can understand something like doom using mouse, but because I'm not aiming a gun, I'm just selecting attacks, that a keyboard with macro's would be faster and more efficient.
Please remember this is an opinion.
Londa said:
Well personally, I can deal. I played FFXI, I'll play FFXI 2.0 -- it's more about attracting new players who are used to using a mouse to do everything. I'm probably too old of a dog to be taught new tricks anyway. That said, at a bare minimum a decent use of mouse accuracy would be picking one mob out of a crowd to target. If the mouse wasn't sluggish and inaccurate, and the mobs had reasonable 'hitboxes' to click on, it'd be a much easier method than tabbing through multiple enemies, or walking up to the one you want (or slightly to the left of, as I found worked better) and hitting f8. Other than that, it'd just be nice to be able to use the mouse to navigate menus. It's not that you can't, but the mouse control is so awkward and the menus so not suited for it that it's honestly easier/faster just to use the keyboard.
desa said:
Yeah, I'm really thankful for teleporting and warping. It feels a bit.. unnatural at first, but it's not entirely different from outpost warps, teleports, and homepoint warps in FFXI, just without all the bullshit you have to go through for each of those. I probably got twice as much done in the alpha period because of them.
Londa said:
There is a standard in MMO's that use mice (just like FPS), so it's deffinately not hard to want mouse support in the game.
I think you are somewhat blinkered by playing FF11 as your first MMO, although It was my first MMO aswell (since then I have played ALOT of MMO's though), but I still prefer the control setup on WoW/Aion and countless others, because its more intuitive.
Although I haven't played the Alpha WASD and arrows sound better than numberpad and arrows to me, although I agree it will take sometime for ex-FF11 players to get used to that though.
Billen said:
Keyboard only or controller and keyboard, you can move the mouse cursor around but its slow and worthless.
notworksafe
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It's alpha. They use both terms interchangeably.
HappyBivouac
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Wait, stop this fuckin' train.
Are you telling me I can't use the numpad for movement in this game? D:
Are you telling me I can't use the numpad for movement in this game? D:
notworksafe
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Aaaand this is why FFXIV needs to just have fully customizable controls. Y'know...like a PC game should.
HappyBivouac
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I really hope they get that option in. Who would possibly want wasd+ arrowkeys? Ugh.
I guess I might end up playing with a controller, which I'm okay with.
I guess I might end up playing with a controller, which I'm okay with.
notworksafe
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HappyBivouac said:
Actually I want WASD + mouse...like a real game
They really just need to take some time to give control options to all parties. The folks that want to play it like every other PC game ever (WASD+mouse), XI numpad style, with a DS3... it shouldn't be that hard.
And a beta start date would be fantastic. Hoping E3 gives us some info on when that is happening.
And a beta start date would be fantastic. Hoping E3 gives us some info on when that is happening.
Didn't see this posted here, is taken from the upcoming E3 trailer.
Looks like the beastmen are friendly in this picture, or they have captured a few Hyurs and an elf :lol
I would rather WASD + arrows than what FF11 had, why would you want numberpad controls ?
WASD + mouse would be the best option tho.
See this could go on all day !
Looks like the beastmen are friendly in this picture, or they have captured a few Hyurs and an elf :lol
I would rather WASD + arrows than what FF11 had, why would you want numberpad controls ?
WASD + mouse would be the best option tho.
See this could go on all day !
Robobandit
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Jinko said:Triple monitor and 3D (note the 3D glasses) confirmed ?
Hell yes.. Hopefully this means eyefinity support..
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