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Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward |OT| The Midas Touch

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scy

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iammeiam said:
So the question is how stringent these tests are even going to end up being--if the Advanced DPS Dummy just tests to see if you can average out to 1K DPS over the course of a three minute fight, it'll be fairly useless. The ideal would be job-specific things designed around their idea of ideal play of each job, but we'll probably end up with more of a bare minimum competence test that lopsidedly favors some jobs over others.
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Ideally, it'll be sustain X DPS over Y minutes along with other noteworthy things. MCH specific, for instance, can look at how hard the Wildfire hit for and tips on maximizing that. DRGs for keeping up BotD and dragon spaghettis per buff. Monks will be tested on how often they can complain about mechanics costing them DPS. All the main highlights.
 
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BadRNG

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Pyramidbread said:
The two top ones are a little weird, but Lalafells in the game are full grown adults, who scheme, murder, lie, cheat, they arent children.
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Don't care about the glamour debate, dress however you want I don't care, but lalafell are clearly designed to look and behave like children. It's part of why it's so hard to take anything going on seriously when they take the spotlight in dramatic moments. Just their animations by themselves make them look like children - add in the small potato bodies, the "kids in halloween outfits" look, and their soft/round faces and I don't see how anyone could see them as adults.

P.S I never understood what the big deal was about Haurchefant, just another boring npc in a game filled with them. I don't care enough about him to think he sucks. He's just there.
or he just was there, dohohoho
. The cult following he got surprised me.
 
Athreous

Athreous

Member
I'm thinking if I should come back to the game, just finished the heavenward's storyline with my Black Mage and stopped playing...

I miss the dungeons and all, but I don't have the time I used to have, so I'll mostly play 3/4 hours per day, even less...
 
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Jayhawk

Member
Less than 5 hours until I stop accepting entries to the glamour contest giveaway! Winner gets their choice of one of the cash shop mounts or the Minfilia outfit. You just need to PM a picture of your character in bad glamour. Winner will be chosen randomly... picture doesn't matter as long as it fulfills the basic requirements. Good luck!
 
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Isaccard

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Did they have address everyone issues with Bard and Wanderers Minuet?

I just hit 52 with Bard, seems okay, but I don't remember what everyone hated about it other than the loss of [ridiculous] mobility [shenanigans]

or was that it
 
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Omni

Member
Isaccard said:
Did they have address everyone issues with Bard and Wanderers Minuet?

I just hit 52 with Bard, seems okay, but I don't remember what everyone hated about it other than the loss of [ridiculous] mobility [shenanigans]

or was that it
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It feels clunky and drastically changes the way the job plays for no reason. We're Bow Mages now

Plus, going from level 60 to level 50 content is seriously jarring
 
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Guess Who

Banned
Isaccard said:
Did they have address everyone issues with Bard and Wanderers Minuet?

I just hit 52 with Bard, seems okay, but I don't remember what everyone hated about it other than the loss of [ridiculous] mobility [shenanigans]

or was that it
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At first it was a DPS loss, which totally missed the whole point of it, but they fixed it.

The other problem is it makes the job feel slow as shit because, in addition to cast times, you can't weave two oGCDs anymore (and BRD has a ton of oGCDs). Flaming Arrow is a pain to place since you can't queue it during a cast, and Repelling Shot requires you to inch forward toward the boss if you ever want to use it. Straight Shot procs used to be bugged too, but they fixed it.

I'm still bitter af about WM to be honest, really hurts the fun of the class.
 
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Chille

Member
Tomat said:
I heard a rumor that the final floor is just 8 legs.
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no, the final floor is a trash floor of fausts and to get into the boss room you need to click on an npc faust and type faust san, and then everyone in the raid group gets a faust group buff, this makes everyone have a faust outfit

Merry christmas from Ultros

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Isaccard

Member
Guess Who said:
At first it was a DPS loss, which totally missed the whole point of it, but they fixed it.

The other problem is it makes the job feel slow as shit because, in addition to cast times, you can't weave two oGCDs anymore (and BRD has a ton of oGCDs). Flaming Arrow is a pain to place since you can't queue it during a cast, and Repelling Shot requires you to inch forward toward the boss if you ever want to use it. Straight Shot procs used to be bugged too, but they fixed it.

I'm still bitter af about WM to be honest, really hurts the fun of the class.
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Thanks, I like GB and WM but, I primarily play caster classes so iunno

Class is still fun to me so far
 
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Guess Who

Banned
Isaccard said:
Thanks, I like GB and WM but, I primarily play caster classes so iunno

Class is still fun to me so far
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If you primarily play casters then yeah, I can see why you're fine with it.

I played bard specifically because it was more fast-paced and mobile and hate playing BLM, haha. It's not what I signed up for.
 
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Ken

Member
Guess Who said:
At first it was a DPS loss, which totally missed the whole point of it, but they fixed it.

The other problem is it makes the job feel slow as shit because, in addition to cast times, you can't weave two oGCDs anymore (and BRD has a ton of oGCDs). Flaming Arrow is a pain to place since you can't queue it during a cast, and Repelling Shot requires you to inch forward toward the boss if you ever want to use it. Straight Shot procs used to be bugged too, but they fixed it.

I'm still bitter af about WM to be honest, really hurts the fun of the class.
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Do bards actually double oGCD anywhere outside of opener? Last I checked Bloodletter always pushes out lower priority oGCDs rather than opting for double weave.
 
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Guess Who

Banned
Ken said:
Do bards actually double oGCD anywhere outside of opener? Last I checked Bloodletter always pushes out lower priority oGCDs rather than opting for double weave.
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Pre-WM you could weave two oGCDs because there was enough time between GCDs to do it without delaying your next GCD. So you could weave Bloodletter and something else, or Blunt Arrow and Repelling Shot, or Blood for Blood and Hawk's Eye, without having to push back your next GCD. With WM, the cast time on abilities eats up some time between GCDs, so if you try to weave two, you'll push back your next GCD. There are still some cases where this is a DPS gain - weaving Barrage and Empyreal Arrow, for one. Bloodletter can also be double-weaved if you have enough crit because you want it to be able to proc again as soon as possible. But in most situations, no, you shouldn't weave two oGCDs as a bard.
 
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VanillaCakeIsBurning

Member
iammeiam said:
I'm pretty sure they only said you won't need the HW MSQ to get the 4.0 MSQ. They can still put optional stuff in 4.0 that requires things in Ishgard, since it seems super likely you'll need all the expansions anyway, the goal is to just avoid "I just hit 60 and now have 20 hours of irrelevant story to do before I can get to the shiny new expansion, life sucks."



If they go for a more stringent DPS requirement, the timeframe involved kind of becomes relevant because different classes will get damage spikes at different points of time. I run a burst class which means my DPS fluctuates quite a bit depending on where in the fight you cut me off. Running an encounter long enough to really even out the burst and sustained runs the risk of resource starvation in a lot of jobs. There's also that some jobs have a much higher overall DPS potential than others, so if the dummies aren't job-specific the skill involved at a job to beat the dummy will vary pretty wildly.

So the question is how stringent these tests are even going to end up being--if the Advanced DPS Dummy just tests to see if you can average out to 1K DPS over the course of a three minute fight, it'll be fairly useless. The ideal would be job-specific things designed around their idea of ideal play of each job, but we'll probably end up with more of a bare minimum competence test that lopsidedly favors some jobs over others.
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I do think it's likely the tests will be generalized by role. So yeah, not as useful as they could be.

Don't really see why they can't at least add some type of personal meter that only you can see. At least then you could see how well you're doing. Or add the PVP end of match results screen to DF dungeons. Since you're not going to see those people again it's not like the results could be used against you since the dungeon is over.
 
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Jayhawk

Member
Sent PMs to the giveaway winners since they were not in-game during the draw done via randomresult.com. Congratulations! When the winners pick what they want and the gift codes are sent over, they can choose to post screenshots of their new shinies.
 
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Kenai

Member
iammeiam said:
If they go for a more stringent DPS requirement, the timeframe involved kind of becomes relevant because different classes will get damage spikes at different points of time. I run a burst class which means my DPS fluctuates quite a bit depending on where in the fight you cut me off. Running an encounter long enough to really even out the burst and sustained runs the risk of resource starvation in a lot of jobs. There's also that some jobs have a much higher overall DPS potential than others, so if the dummies aren't job-specific the skill involved at a job to beat the dummy will vary pretty wildly.

So the question is how stringent these tests are even going to end up being--if the Advanced DPS Dummy just tests to see if you can average out to 1K DPS over the course of a three minute fight, it'll be fairly useless. The ideal would be job-specific things designed around their idea of ideal play of each job, but we'll probably end up with more of a bare minimum competence test that lopsidedly favors some jobs over others.
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I'm not sure how relevant it will be, but for perspective I can give details about how Proving Grounds worked in WoW (and this does sound like it will be similar, i did some quick googling but haven't found any other MMO things like them).

You got the exact same requirements for each class, the differences were totally defined by role (and yes, this led to some pretty big discrepancies on each for top completion scores). All three specs had waves of mobs to deal with.

I never tried to tank challenge, but DPS had stationary targets (some had varying effects, but never did actual damage to you) and failing to DPS them down in time meant they'd explode and you'd have to restart. Main things tested were switching to priority targets (usually new adds with less HP) while maintaining DPS on the "main" mob.

For the healers, you got a team of NPC party members (tank and 3 dps) and your job was to keep all of them alive with various CDs, status removals, ect Losing any of them meant a wipe and having to start over. Main things tested were maintaining HPS while managing mana and blowing CDs at the right time (that NPC was so good at holding aggro it was pretty dangerous, he could have 3-4 "boss" type monsters on him at once).

Obviously that all wouldn't apply here, and I would *much* rather job specific challenges turned up a notch, but honestly giving the same challenge to the different classes might be for the best since that's what ends up happening in dungeons/raiding anyway.
 
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Jeels

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Tabris said:
It's a game where you are battling monsters in a fantasy setting. Your character isn't an exotic dancer or a beach resort attendant where it may fit to wear that kind of outfit. So it doesn't make sense in the context of the game.

So you're playing up dress up on a character to make them look overtly sexualized in no way related to the game and setting but to what you are attracted to. Why don't you just watch porn in that case then play the game? That makes sense in the context of the media at least.
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There's a whole lot wrong here but let's step back and acknowledge that there exists a role-playing crowd in the mmo genre and thus a variety of outfits are necessary to partake.

As if my warrior can't go to the beach on weekends or wear a suit to someone's eternal bond ceremony.

why do you like dressing up your character and do you not see an issue with it?"
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This is literally garbage considering dressing up your character isn't even unique to mmmos but spans gaming in general. Nearly every genre. Hell, throw in things like dungeons and dragons, choose your own adventures, and all that fan art people draw of imaginary characters they get attached to. Seriously, making an issue out of nothing.
 
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Frumix

Suffering From Success
FINAL FANTASY XIV Hotfix (Dec. 25)
- Fixed issues regarding automatic estate demolition.

* As of this time, no estates have been automatically demolished. As such, this fix is simply a preventative measure.
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Wow it's nothing
 
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Arizato

Member
So, anyone here with the most recent housing demolition timer? Because I guess I ain't the only one camping to get a house for my FC today?
 
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Valor

Member
Happy Holidays you chumps and chumpettes.
Ken said:
Do bards actually double oGCD anywhere outside of opener? Last I checked Bloodletter always pushes out lower priority oGCDs rather than opting for double weave.
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There's math suggesting that depending on what ogcds you're using it could be a net gain to double ogcd in some cases. Bloodletter takes priority aside from certain situations.
 
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Eldren

Member
Merry Christmas and happy holidays FFXIV-GAF. I hope you all have a great day and eat too much like I did.

Is this Summoner guide by Hai Hai like the go-to resource for learning SMN? It looks pretty good. Arcanist is the only DPS class I never levelled (I got to 15 and stopped) but I've been super curious about it these last few days so I've decided to go back and hopefully get it to at least 50. I still have all my Thaumaturge and BLM levelling gear lying around which is convenient.
 
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Tomat

Wanna hear a good joke? Waste your time helping me! LOL!
Happy holidays everyone.
Eldren said:
Is this Summoner guide by Hai Hai like the go-to resource for learning SMN? It looks pretty good. Arcanist is the only DPS class I never levelled (I got to 15 and stopped) but I've been super curious about it these last few days so I've decided to go back and hopefully get it to at least 50. I still have all my Thaumaturge and BLM levelling gear lying around which is convenient.
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Yep, that seems to be the go to guide I see recommended frequently.

I find pestering Scy every time he's online also works well.
 
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