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Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward |OT| The Midas Touch
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VanillaCakeIsBurning
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I don't think those changes are final, because they said something about changing the stances so they highlight class strengths or something and there's none of that in these preliminary patch notes.
I'm honestly sort of assuming the third fight this tier is going to be a non-issue/tuned around being beaten with the i220 weapons. We don't yet know how many weeks of Midas normal the tome weapons take, which does mean a lot of guessing because it's Friday and the weather's bad and I'm bored, but if A7S is tuned for i220 and A8S is tuned to be beaten with i230 tome weapon DPS jump, then it still all more or less works for me. It works both in incentivizing clears of the last floor (guaranteed something), and gives them another catchup phase in 3.3 for groups stuck on the final fight. And I just assume they design everything around catchup mode at this point.
And I really do think it's different now. You could get BiS in SCoB and be raid-ready for FCoB; any crafted gear relied largely on materia for advantage and was more about minmax than baseline acceptable. You didn't log in in 2.4 and find yourself suddenly 10 iLevels behind the low-end. Unless everything this tier is actually tuned around i210 and they're just so disappointed in us that we're getting a massive day one gear carry.
This is my next goal! Well, first is actually doing my class quests for the free materia, then is melding!
Isn't that usually the case on Fridays there?
Another Avatar incoming maybe?
Skill Speed is gonna be the new bard hotness. DoT damage and shorter EA cast time. Prepare yourself for four digit SS by 4.0
On another topic, why are pants the only thing listed as being obtained with Page 3's? Typo? Are we going to see twine+coat+pants from 3?
or maybe a gobdip
Same goes for the PLD TP buffs when compared to say DRK's changes when we're still the worst sustain in terms of efficiency. Effectiveness of Sword Oath is still based on the 6 GCD rule to make it worth while dance, Clem is still interruptible, Divine Veil still requires a fucking heal (our self heal is again still fucking interruptible), we're still garbage on AoE threat, and outright the worst DPS of the three tanks. Eh
Please let me buy this with A1 pages:
This is different bad! Usually it's just gray and misty, now it's grey and actively raining.
Stacking skillspeed on Bard thanks to it actually having value for Bard in HW/double EA opener has made the TP struggle pretty real in anything not frequently interrupted. Most fights have enough breaks that it's manageable, but EA having a TP cost made sustained uptime a struggle.
This is different bad! Usually it's just gray and misty, now it's grey and actively raining.
Stacking skillspeed on Bard thanks to it actually having value for Bard in HW/double EA opener has made the TP struggle pretty real in anything not frequently interrupted. Most fights have enough breaks that it's manageable, but EA having a TP cost made sustained uptime a struggle.
No it's the same in the JP patch notes.
Coat is in 2, dip is in 4.
Unless actual drops don't actually match up with pages but the chances of that are goddamn nonexistent.
Basically since A7 drops ONLY pants and armor upgrade the DPS requirements for A8 can't possibly be that much higher. Raid to be cleared in a week confirmed.
HylianScribe
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Aspected Benefic nerfed in PVP. The age of AST is over.
Lore awarded from 3.0 hunts, thank you YoshiP. I was sick of dungeon grinding so much I haven't capped in a few weeks but would have easily if hunts had given
Esoterics.
Wow 30% echo in coil now. Even with unsynced option available they're doing that, huh?
Shield/sword dropping together now is nice.
Lot of stuff in the notes, still haven't finished yet.
Edit: Also time to reference this again to ensure you get all the Midas gear as soon as possible (if that's what you want). https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/3cey7e/alexander_normal_loot_list/
Oh wow, Midas waist is 6 pages now versus 4 for Gordias. Wonder if it's getting treated as a left side upgrade, too? Like you'll need the new twine to upgrade versus coat?
Lore awarded from 3.0 hunts, thank you YoshiP. I was sick of dungeon grinding so much I haven't capped in a few weeks but would have easily if hunts had given
Esoterics.
Wow 30% echo in coil now. Even with unsynced option available they're doing that, huh?
Shield/sword dropping together now is nice.
Lot of stuff in the notes, still haven't finished yet.
Edit: Also time to reference this again to ensure you get all the Midas gear as soon as possible (if that's what you want). https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/3cey7e/alexander_normal_loot_list/
Oh wow, Midas waist is 6 pages now versus 4 for Gordias. Wonder if it's getting treated as a left side upgrade, too? Like you'll need the new twine to upgrade versus coat?
Agreed and...Wardens? Now I have to also worry about party member debuffs and targeting them during fights? Ughh..I picked Archer/Bard because it used to be about shooting shit, singing songs and moving around. Now, it's casting arrows and Esuna? Oh well, I'll reserve judgement on it...might just stick into a target <me> macro and call it a day.
Bard didn't really need buffs, though. They already had the damage lead for their role, and their personal damage lead is going to increase with gear already. A playstyle fix to make it not suck might be nice, but unless they're changing the entire approach to ranged damage Bard was already winning. They didn't need buffs. Paean is now a potentially useful skill, at least.
They moved it to the first floor, so the increased cost makes sense. 4 pages for a right side upgrade, six for the left. Most of the gear shuffling between floors make sense, although it does make the third floor a little strange. Two sets of pants a week?
They moved it to the first floor, so the increased cost makes sense. 4 pages for a right side upgrade, six for the left. Most of the gear shuffling between floors make sense, although it does make the third floor a little strange. Two sets of pants a week?
My stance on that is... it's still useless and probably only going to come up in absolute emergency if a healer can't do it. Maybe with Midas being heavy on debuffs we'll need it but who knows.
Two DRG pants every week forever.
I mean atleast Wanderer's Paean isn't completely useless anymore. Now it can actually be used as a utility ability without losing dps. It used to be a huge investment to cut your damage like that to cast that ability just so a WAR doesn't get pacified. Now you can do that with no dps cut to yourself.
And hell maybe Midas will actually have some debuff cleansing and that means the bard can help out. I mean its technically the fastest debuff cleanse in PvE now, no cast time compared to a .5 cast time. Isn't much different but it's a thing.
And hell maybe Midas will actually have some debuff cleansing and that means the bard can help out. I mean its technically the fastest debuff cleanse in PvE now, no cast time compared to a .5 cast time. Isn't much different but it's a thing.
I used to give it to our WAR pre-pull but then we changed WARs and he didn't care!
at least now it can be used on the triple Fell Cleave opener instead of double. And, well, not fuck a Bard over on their pre-pull routine.
/pet
There there.
No regrets!!
I think it's because they want to keep i240 more "special." Not that I agree, I mean, who cares. But they have been super protective about the highest Ilevel (although not even highest this time lol) weapon since the beginning of HW. I don't really understand who gets all that upset about it, maybe it's the JP player base or something.
Realistically I'm expecting weapon progression to go like this:
i220 day one for people who can clear Sephirot EX
i230 after a few weeks of grinding A8N. Now the waiting begins!
i240/i245 from A8S
3.25 hits and introduces relic step up to i235 (the disaster that was their relic handling in the first tier makes this part weird)
3.3 hits, i235 from New Primal, i240 relic step
3.35 hits, gobdip in Void Ark 2: Ark Voider, i245 relic step
It basically keeps a steady upgrade pace for pretty much everyone regardless.
You like math. Is the pre-Esuna a bigger gain than New, Improved Hypercharge?
Paean's still no Rend Mind and Dismantle Being Two Buttons Because Fuck You, That's Why though.
They finally went back to the raid weapons being the best, which is nice but sticking the upgrade item behind the same fight seems a bit of a step back compared to what they did in Final and Second Coil. Those systems were the most ideal, imo.
Some people in this thread? Reddit? There's a lot of salty "raid for prestige" people, keep filthy casuals from things. Or something.
The constant grind of +5 ilvl!
It's like a 200-ish potency gain for that Esuna and, realistically, healers can get that as is anyway so it's possibly not even a gain per se. Even if I'm generous and say 1.5 GCDs gained per that's pretty much nothing vs New Hypercharge?
We sure did. A lot of "Why care if you don't use the gear on content?" rhetoric from me. I don't particularly care about the access to it, though. It was the perceived need for it.
Except for weapons it seems. Then you're some sort of filthy... I dunno. Socialist. That's still a bad word, right? Capitalist? Drama help me out here.
I'm still on this train. I feel my sodium levels rising just thinking about those arguments.
The way I see their plans for progression is that the people who don't get weapon drops in A8S will be able to use the gobdip to upgrade while they wait for their weapon to drop or get the needed amount of pages, I guess.
Why did we need i210 weapons at all ever? We killed the thing without them, and they're useless for killing the next thing. To make stuff we could do without it easier, glamour reasons, and the ego boost. Same applies to everyone!
Also I will point again to locking dyeing the casual upgrade gear to the current raid iLevel as a justification for actual need. Stop trying to be a dress up elitist.
This is a misunderstanding of my position. I've wanted poverty gobdip in Void Ark forever, and I'm not saying A7S won't have it because I want to keep the weapons special (I continue to give 0 fucks about epeen), but because I think it makes sense with the gear philosophy they've taken this tier. Gobdip in A7S and available to everyone the second 3.3 hits would be fantastic! I'm all for it! Even sooner! Doesn't change anything for me. But I don't think it's what they're going to do, and I can see the thinking behind it.
So just so we're clear: I don't care about keeping anything special. But the way relic and gobdip was mishandled this tier means they clearly do, and guessing what comes next based on their attitudes thus far isn't me endorsing the approach out of some desire for class stratification.
Making the weapon basically a useless thing. It really just seems to be a thing to make a non-raid weapon upgrade option for eventually rather than a use for raiders. So 8 weeks for everyone to have raid weapon + glamour but then X more weeks to get everyone their chest drops as well.
Which is I think where the argument really came I guess? I find raid getting a reward a thing and then everything else catches up to that point. Just how it works in my mind!
I was just targeting the people who were all on the "catch-up should be faster!" or "max ilvl out the gate!" sides of it. I started playing during a catch-up patch. I started playing with relic that was of-raid level. Those two things are probably the main reason I even got to get into raiding when I did so I'm not against the catch-up existing.
metallic gold glamour show-off should be raid exclusive
She's too busy doing Void Ark with Red for unknown reasons. Go watch more town halls and debates. Baramoht refused to impersonate Bernie Sanders the other night on Mumble, so the random yelling of "enough with the emails!", "top one percent", and "billionaire class" will still be me.
Oh man, this is fun to play again! Haven't been able to touch the game since late October, cause I started my military service, but now I've got time to hop on during a weekend every now and then.
Apparently I've a Lv50 Bard, but I decided to just unlock the Marauder, 'cause I don't want to do high level stuff when I don't understand what does what, heh.
Pretty excited to get back into this!
Apparently I've a Lv50 Bard, but I decided to just unlock the Marauder, 'cause I don't want to do high level stuff when I don't understand what does what, heh.
Pretty excited to get back into this!
So that I can finally convince my FC to run it so I can get Allagan gear......They increased Echo in Coil upto 30%!?
WHY!? XD
Bookmarked.
I wouldn't vote for you. MAKE WEAPONS GREAT AGAIN.
orjustputthegorramdipina7sandsaveusthetroubleofupgradingaweaponweclearlydidn'tneedtobeginwithandstillgiveitoutinVoidArk2:VoiderandArkier.
I think by pretending to care about town halls and debates is still my best strategy to get her to like me again, so I'll keep on keeping on. I'll save my excursions into Monday Void Arks for Ringary and Scything. BARA IS BACK? ;-; I miss that doofus.
Maybe. Shouldn't be as big of an issue as Gordias was anyway if they tuned closer to Final Coil level. More people will be clearing early on and they'll have more times to get drops/pages/etc.
I don't see why it wouldn't be.
The real reason I can't see this happening is gobdip is pointless unless it drops in a fight seperate from the one that drops twine. There's no reason to make them two things if they're just going to drop from the same fight, just go back to the two upgrade items total thing! Basically, the only reason for them to make gobdip in the first place is because they want to put the weapon upgrade behind a different wall than the gear upgrade. The whole system would work if they put coat in 5, twine in 6, and dip in 7, which would also be fine, but seems unlikely.
I do wonder if people wall in Midas and what excuse they'll have this time. Maybe Faust and Faustier will have a moment of glory.
I mean, you can do them unsynced with small groups! We've duo'd basically every EX (fuck Mog; Ramuh seems like a nightmare of timing) and T1-T7. Bonus Echo and ilvl may even make T10/T12 doable that way! Get as many that are willing to go and it should be fine, don't need to make it a full group thing.
some day gear and echo will let us kill a supergolem. I believe.
I mean, I'd like to tout this too but clearing post-Thordan (or for some other groups, post-Relic) makes it not entirely true? Tier being "easier" may make it true again but it definitely seems Gobdip exists simply because it existed before and it will be around as a catch-up Void Ark 2: Void Boogaloo eventual drop.
Put another way, I'm half expecting Alexander Cybele or whatever to then move the Gobdip (floor 1/2/3 drops, for instance) around but for now they're sticking with this gameplan.
I mean, you can do them unsynced with small groups! We've duo'd basically every EX (fuck Mog; Ramuh seems like a nightmare of timing) and T1-T7. Bonus Echo and ilvl may even make T10/T12 doable that way! Get as many that are willing to go and it should be fine, don't need to make it a full group thing.
some day gear and echo will let us kill a supergolem. I believe.
I mean, I'd like to tout this too but clearing post-Thordan (or for some other groups, post-Relic) makes it not entirely true? Tier being "easier" may make it true again but it definitely seems Gobdip exists simply because it existed before and it will be around as a catch-up Void Ark 2: Void Boogaloo eventual drop.
Put another way, I'm half expecting Alexander Cybele or whatever to then move the Gobdip (floor 1/2/3 drops, for instance) around but for now they're sticking with this gameplan.
Lunafreya Nox Fleuret
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Patch notes are pretty amazing. The Astrologian changes are actually great! LA finally lasts longer by about 9 seconds. It was always stupid that SOS lasted longer and LA lower. I'm very happy with the changes to my main class. Is it safe to assume everyone that did the 3rd stage of anima are now screwed until the next patch, btw?
I can't see patch notes and I see anyone mention it so was just wondering. Wouldn't be the first decision that made 0 sense. (Where the gobdips at?)
I went and looked JUST FOR YOU. Loot lockout is gone, and Farthing lockout is gone, so you're free to farm forever.
Also they've moved the Echidna card to a chest drop instead of direct inventory. Not relevant or anything since you've got all cards (they are adding new TT cards but I just scrolled past the list), but just throwing it out there.
HylianScribe
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I chuckled when I read that update and thought of you Asami. Now if only they did that for every card drop for every instance, then Asami's life would be complete.
I knew you cared below that tough exterior. Anyway, good to know. Also, time to get hype for card grinding rage! (Probably 20 again I'll guess and I haven't been grinding MGP in months, RIP)
I'm not sure if I'd like a chest drop for the card. Seeing myself lose the roll as opposed to a behind the scenes RNG might be more demoralizing after awhile lol.