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Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward |OT| The Midas Touch
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You're going to need a certain level of gear to at least get in to the new stuff and get tomes relatively quickly, though. There's a pretty big gap between fresh 60 and able to get in to any of the newish things. You're not going to lose out on too much by waiting, but at the same time you're not going to gain much. Might be worth looking in to doing the first two relic steps to get yourself an i200 weapon? Decent gear bump and won't use your tomes.
20 is accurate and something about adding them to the packs so your MGP poorness will haunt you.
Yeah, it's just hard to get a group formed and once it's formed to keep them committed. I might have to find a static once this patch hits and go full nerd.
Honestly for at least the first batch if you can find a decent and willing tank and healer, it can't hurt to try. More people is good for faster farming, but running with a smaller group is better than not going at all, and can actually be kind of fun in a way that just infinite farming isn't.
thanks for the tip, the relic weapon stuff is the anima quest?
Yes; the first step is a lot of FATE grinding (if you have another job at 50, this is a good way to get experience on it), the second step is running 10 dungeons, and at the end you get an i200 weapon. The third step, to take it to i210, is a lot more time consuming and will use up a lot of Eso after the patch, but you can get to 200 for now and stop if you want.
I'll win a few virminion tournaments and be set
Maybe they'll add stuff to platinum packs, I have like 60 in my inventory.I'll win a few virminion tournaments and be set
RIP
I wouldn't grind hard for token stuff, but if "gearing up" includes just unlocking everything and going through it, now is still good time. You'll get some gear/tokens just from that, and can save Eso for the lower prices while spending the Law before it goes away.
You mean Voltron.
irfaanator
Banned
I believe you mean winning gundam
WINNING ROAD
Likewise, for those actively chasing their relics, do be sure to spend Law on the items instead of converting to Esoterics. Their cost isn't going down and Law -> Eso won't convert high enough to be better than just buying the items outright with Law.
Smart money should likely be on 4.0 theme song.
JSoup
Banned
So, BLM rotations. I Googled guides, but all I find are confusing reddit threads and if there is a FF14 equivalent to Icy-Veins out there, I haven't found it.
When I hit 50 pre-Heavensward, the rotation someone suggested to me was:
Thunder 3, Fire 3, Fire 1 until low on mana, Ice 3, Ice 1 until full of mana, if Thunder didn't proc then repeat from step one, if it did, repeat from step two.
Now I'm 60 and the first guy I asked said:
"Are you trying to do end game Extreme stuff or just casual completion and achievement hunting?
"The latter."
"Then your 50 rotation is fine and 90% of players aren't going to notice anyway. This isn't WoW, after all."
And, indeed, it's been fine and I was complimented in a dungeon the other day. Today however, my last few runs had a number of suggestions about my rotation. Problem is, they were thick with abbreviations and they all seems to think I was playing with a controller.
Short version: Explain the proper way to use enochain and if I should really bother.
When I hit 50 pre-Heavensward, the rotation someone suggested to me was:
Thunder 3, Fire 3, Fire 1 until low on mana, Ice 3, Ice 1 until full of mana, if Thunder didn't proc then repeat from step one, if it did, repeat from step two.
Now I'm 60 and the first guy I asked said:
"Are you trying to do end game Extreme stuff or just casual completion and achievement hunting?
"The latter."
"Then your 50 rotation is fine and 90% of players aren't going to notice anyway. This isn't WoW, after all."
And, indeed, it's been fine and I was complimented in a dungeon the other day. Today however, my last few runs had a number of suggestions about my rotation. Problem is, they were thick with abbreviations and they all seems to think I was playing with a controller.
Short version: Explain the proper way to use enochain and if I should really bother.
Finally can get my damn bard bow.
cultureculture
Member
You should bother with Enochian because just having it up gives you +5% damage, and Fire 4 is a huge damage increase over Fire. Your goal should be to be able to cast Fire 4 four times before you have to cast Blizzard 3, without dropping Enochian or Astral Fire III.
The Most Basic Enochian Rotation in The World (without procs or additional abilities):
Fire 3 > Enochian > Fire 4 > Fire 4 > Fire > Fire 4 > Fire 4 > Blizzard 3 > [Thunder if you can cast it, else Blizzard or wait] > Blizzard 4
Fire 3 > Fire 4 > Fire 4 > Fire > Fire 4 > Fire 4 > Blizzard 3 > [Thunder if you can cast it, else Blizzard or wait] > Blizzard 4
Fire 3 > Fire 4 > Fire 4 > Fire > Fire 4 > Fire 4 > Blizzard 3 > [Thunder if you can cast it, else Blizzard or wait] > Enochian will have fallen off and the Enochian skill will be off cooldown, reapply and continue in the spirit of the above.
For the nitty gritty, and more detailed information like good ways to handle procs and make the most of Enochian timers, see the first post here:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/246796-Black-Mage-Sanctuary-A-Guide-to-DPS
It's some heavy reading, but I think a lot of it naturally makes sense the more you practice.
NB: As for the pre-50 rotation, I'd recommend only casting Thunder 3 if you get a proc. There are other tips and tricks as well (e.g. using Thundercloud procs to fish for Firestarters too), but I'm just going to focus on Enochian here since that's what you're asking about.
Sweeettt
JSoup
Banned
Outstanding, thank you. That rotation looks simple enough and something I can make a habit after some time with a target dummy. I'll be picking through that forum post as well, thanks for that. In dungeon, the tank kept saying that when I get to 1K mana left, just Flare, Transpose, Ice 3, Enochain, Ice 4, Fire 3, Fire 4 and start my pattern over from there, but I ran into the issue of Transpose not being off cooldown before it was time to use it again.
Ley Lines > Fire III > Enochain > Fire IV > Fire > Fire IV x2-4 (depending on gear) > Blizzard III > Thunder > Blizzard IV
Then Fire III > Fire IV x 2-> Fire > Fire IV x 2 > Blizzard III > Thunder or Blizzard IV if enochain timer is less than 4 > Repeat as needed till Enochain is back up on timer when you can do the first set.
Yeah, the rotations are generally simple in practice and then the real technique comes from figuring out how to do it (or adapt it) based on the mechanics in the fight.
cultureculture
Member
No worries. As for the tank's recommendation, that's a little strange and I wouldn't recommend it, especially using Enochian and then Blizzard 4. (Enochian: Applies 30 second Enochian timer; Blizzard 4: Resets Enochian timer but with 5 seconds less than before).
I think there's something similar to that approach in the guide I linked where it talks about AOE on two targets, which might work a little better.
If you've got three or more targets, generally speaking, you're better off doing:
Fire 3 > Fire 2 x2 > Flare > Transpose > Repeat
You can put up Enochian for the damage boost, but you shouldn't go out of your way to keep it up unless you're expecting to need Fire 4 very soon.
Note that you need to be careful with the timing of Transpose, as Flare applies Astral Fire III when the damage registers and it's possible to Transpose before that. I understand that patch 3.2 will address that since they're changing the timing of when Astral Fire/Umbral Ice gets applied in general, which in turn should make Enochian a little easier to deal with.
I mean, they'll last enough for people to hit a wall in Savage where the extra 10 ilvls will push them over that hump.
Sephirot is Ravana, is all. He'll enjoy some form of life until 3.3 brings a new primal and new weapons. The treadmill goes on and on and we just hope this iteration is more fun than the last.
We're going back to tome crunch time; alt jobs won't be getting tome weapons for a long while yet so anybody who wants to gear up an alt job will be turning to Sephirot for the weapons.
I'm kind of torn between just wanting to try out 5S in 210 and doing the boring responsible weapon and Normal grind first. Realistically I'll probably just try out all the Stone, Sky, Sea things and quietly weep when it tells me I don't do enough damage to kill A4S.
We're going back to tome crunch time; alt jobs won't be getting tome weapons for a long while yet so anybody who wants to gear up an alt job will be turning to Sephirot for the weapons.
I'm kind of torn between just wanting to try out 5S in 210 and doing the boring responsible weapon and Normal grind first. Realistically I'll probably just try out all the Stone, Sky, Sea things and quietly weep when it tells me I don't do enough damage to kill A4S.
WeaponKnight
Member
Until lv59, it's F3, F1 five times, B3, T1, repeat. Use all your procs when you can but prioritise Firestarter over Thundercloud.
Then forget everything as soon as you hit 60.
3 weeks is already a week longer than they expect the first clear to happen anyway!
It'll probably be some absurdly low thing like 850 DPS or something and everyone can beat it, thus rendering the whole thing even more pointless. Eagerly awaiting the 400 DPS Tank trials \o/
Seriously though, they need some mechanics to dodge since AFK tunneling on a training dummy doesn't really indicate much for an encounter unfortunately.
It'll probably be some absurdly low thing like 850 DPS or something and everyone can beat it, thus rendering the whole thing even more pointless. Eagerly awaiting the 400 DPS Tank trials \o/
Seriously though, they need some mechanics to dodge since AFK tunneling on a training dummy doesn't really indicate much for an encounter unfortunately.
What part of pointing out that i220 is entry level is "hating the game"?
Some of you are extra precious about any perceived critique of the game, even when in this case it wasn't.
But here's a critique, since you want one so badly: Sephirot EX should drop a ring or some other i230 piece.
Every single Primal bare minimum should have an accessory in my opinion. If nothing else, we should at least have another Ring option somehow.
JSoup
Banned
So, for people like me who are still sitting on an ilevel below 170, it seems a good idea would be to grind out Law so I can exchange for a crapload of Esoteric next week and give my ilevel a major boost.
I've been caught by that before. Nice to see them putting in a fix.
I've been caught by that before. Nice to see them putting in a fix.
Capping out on Law would only give you enough eso for like two pieces maybe? If you're ever going to build the relic, it'd be better to spend that law on the unidentified items, since they'd be worth more than law turned into eso.
It'd be better to cap out on eso this week (which you'd do in the process anyway) and then get the small amount of eso left you'd need to buy the eso weapon.
JSoup
Banned
I asked this earlier, but my relic is at atma level. Better idea to finish getting it to zeta and trade it in or just grind the fates for the junk I need to make the current stuff?
Two options:
Go for zeta but don't make it a super huge priority and treat it as busywork that you'll get when you get. Relic grind from there on out happens as it happens.
Go for the new relic right now and don't wait and just try to grind out fate crystals. If it sucks that badly, just go do the zeta busywork and skip the step.
I personally think you will end up spending far more time getting zeta than doing the crystals, but that's just my non scientific guess. It's up to you how you want to spend your time in the game. From Atma, however, you still need to go to Anima, Novus, Nexus, Zeta, Zodiac. That's a lot of steps and a lot of garbage to wade through just to avoid grinding out fates.
At this point, cap the law, trade for eso, and deck yourself out in ProtoAlex gear. That'll get you to i190 at least.
cultureculture
Member
Put it this way:
- If you no-life it and RNG is moderately favourable, you can probably grind the FATEs for crystals to completion in a couple of days
- If you no-life it and rush from Atma -> Zeta 24/7, it's still gonna take you a week or two minimum (also doing that will be really bad for your health don't do it)
-- Also you'll be spending currency that you need for the current relic.
If you want the Zeta for glamour, you could still just do that on the side if you wanted, but it's a pretty huge timesink. The current relic is already a big timesink but at least it's a timesink with a future*!
* Until 4.0
I'd just do the fates. I just renewed my sub and it literally only took me a day to get all the crystals. Granted I was up until like 1am but I was actually surprised how fast I got em compared to the old Zodiac fate grind. Then I finished the next part (9 dungeons) the next day.
JSoup
Banned
Choice made.