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Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward |OT| The Midas Touch
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I think the dummies are a great idea.
I've only done 5 so far and I didn't really like it. All that turning into birds and monkeys seems silly to me and not really my thing.
I feel like thematically they really hit the nail on the head with Midas fights.
I mean that in regards to the kind of gravity (of which there is basically none) they lend to the Alexander story. It's a goofy tale that just happens to be about a goofy ass race summoning a giant robot mobile home to do whatever goofy as shit they do. Gobby cheese, uplanders, etc etc who cares
The mechanics all lend themselves to the idea that this is all super tongue in cheek compared to Jesus Christ the world is going to end again with Bahamut it's a crisis thing we had during coil. I can't wait to get to turn 7 with savage, half the mechanics had my whole team busting up laughing.
I mean that in regards to the kind of gravity (of which there is basically none) they lend to the Alexander story. It's a goofy tale that just happens to be about a goofy ass race summoning a giant robot mobile home to do whatever goofy as shit they do. Gobby cheese, uplanders, etc etc who cares
The mechanics all lend themselves to the idea that this is all super tongue in cheek compared to Jesus Christ the world is going to end again with Bahamut it's a crisis thing we had during coil. I can't wait to get to turn 7 with savage, half the mechanics had my whole team busting up laughing.
That looks awesome. Can't wait to get my hands on one of those.So good.
(Thanks Worst Linkshell for the aetherstones.)
I liked the silliness. The arena is called Advanced Clevering and it's a great showcase of what can go wrong when Goblins are messing with technology that they barely understand, and the measures you have to take to use that same tech to fight back. Works on two levels when you consider that Goblins are a goofy beast tribe but can still be very dangerous.
So.. 3.2.
I first need to get this Tank Nerf off my chest. I'm very disappointed in how drastic it is. I optimized my WAR to be more DPS than tank, and have never had any problems holding aggro or what not. This new patch strips away one of the few methods of customizability and personalization the game allowed. It feels like a breach of trust between consumer and developer. I'm paying you $15 a month for you to take my hard-earned character and mold it on a whim to how you see fit. It's utter bullshit. And I still don't understand the reasoning. Might as well just strip all attacks away from tanks, and keep auto-attack and defensive cooldowns (and Flash!) if tanks providing DPS support was such an issue. Anyway, yes I am very salty about this.
Fortunately, my main class is MNK, and they got buffed, so I can deal for a minute.
Content-wise,3.2 is so much better than 3.1. There's a lot more to do this time around. I will add to the choir of praises for the new Alex. It is fun, but challenging. It's also very imaginative and entertaining. I really like the new dungeons as well.
But, yeah, I'm not happy about this tank nerf. I'm new to this whole MMO thing, but I do not like when developers can take something I've worked on and flip it on its head because a vocal minority somewhere complained about it.
I first need to get this Tank Nerf off my chest. I'm very disappointed in how drastic it is. I optimized my WAR to be more DPS than tank, and have never had any problems holding aggro or what not. This new patch strips away one of the few methods of customizability and personalization the game allowed. It feels like a breach of trust between consumer and developer. I'm paying you $15 a month for you to take my hard-earned character and mold it on a whim to how you see fit. It's utter bullshit. And I still don't understand the reasoning. Might as well just strip all attacks away from tanks, and keep auto-attack and defensive cooldowns (and Flash!) if tanks providing DPS support was such an issue. Anyway, yes I am very salty about this.
Fortunately, my main class is MNK, and they got buffed, so I can deal for a minute.
Content-wise,3.2 is so much better than 3.1. There's a lot more to do this time around. I will add to the choir of praises for the new Alex. It is fun, but challenging. It's also very imaginative and entertaining. I really like the new dungeons as well.
But, yeah, I'm not happy about this tank nerf. I'm new to this whole MMO thing, but I do not like when developers can take something I've worked on and flip it on its head because a vocal minority somewhere complained about it.
Got bad news for you, buddy. This is the way MMOs work, you can't get terribly attached to unorthodox playstyles because they're rarely meant to be. In all fairness, though--customizing your WAR to be a DPS went pretty strictly against what WARs are intended to be, and the fact that you could do it in the first place spoke more to their poor design decisions than anything else.
I'm a little salty about them removing customisation because I firmly believe that more options are better, but I can understand why they had to do it. Paladin tanking feels better now, at least. I prefer my tanks to actually be a tank and not a mediocre/decent DPS after all.
I still don't understand how it was a poor design decision. It was fun and it didn't break the game. A4S was still tough as nails even with added tank Deeps. Why not just buff PLDs instead of nerfing all three tanks?
But whatever, count me among those tanks that won't be tanking anymore. I will embrace 20 minute DPS queues.
HylianScribe
Member
Grats on the clear. We were close but called it at 3am cuz people had been playing for almost 24 hours at that point.
Maybe it's because PLD is my co-main, but I'm enjoying the WAR complaints.
SliceSabre
Banned
Did I just hear Infuriate and Inner Beast activate?
So I've basically set up to run PLD or DRK as needed for my party with the DPS checks being what they are, the lines will get even fuzzier between the two since down the line I'll have armor sets that work for both. Till I decide on what weapon to get I have forever to decide what to play. For now I'll do whatever the fuck I feel like because it barely matters this patch.
I still do not like the PLD kit and could literally give less of a flying fuck about WAR tears when PLD/DRK combos are basically still a crapshoot. WAR is objectively better off than either tank anyway. Also I think I took a lens last night so I may have fucked up accidentally when I wanted to take gloves. Gonna skip the Midas legs all together I think.
I still do not like the PLD kit and could literally give less of a flying fuck about WAR tears when PLD/DRK combos are basically still a crapshoot. WAR is objectively better off than either tank anyway. Also I think I took a lens last night so I may have fucked up accidentally when I wanted to take gloves. Gonna skip the Midas legs all together I think.
Lunafreya Nox Fleuret
Member
I finally cleared Sephirot hard mode. It took about 3-4 tries. People were so fucking rude it was unbelievable. There was one whm complaining about me not healing properly when I was carrying the group. Bitch, please. It has easy mechanics but they can catch you off guard. It is a nightmare in df atm. I hope I don't get it on future roulettes. Is it just me or are shirtless roes always arseholes in this game? One tank was on his throne (a roe) bragging about how he already cleared......
I swear the Sephirot phase 2 singer has to be Shootie HG the guy who did Crazy Chocobo and Devils Never Cry from DMC3.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEUOOgNzOv4&ab_channel=psychotron502
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZUN89RaP60&ab_channel=M3T30R0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEUOOgNzOv4&ab_channel=psychotron502
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZUN89RaP60&ab_channel=M3T30R0
I'm disappointed that at least on normal at least the corpses don't fall off. Haven't done EX yet though so I guess if they did fall off that's where it'd happen.
I mean that when someone dies to knockback (like the arm swing) the corpses get flung off the arena like in Titan/Neverreap/Ravana etc. But I guess that's not the case.
Oh. If you're flung off you're gone.
Levi is the only primal that interacts with dead bodies forcing them to move. (Sounds like Seph EX doesn't, I haven't actually been in yet).
The 4 Dummy really does feel super lax to me--I went back once I realized ACT's fight timer was padding on extra seconds and making me think things were closer than they were, and even swapping in Antiquated Ferdinand it wasn't a huge thing. The jump between 6 and 7 does support the idea of a tomestone dropping there since it's a bigger leap than any other inter-floor gap.
I'm mostly curious to see how much closer I can get on the 8 dummy with a Seph weapon;~14-15% failures pretty consistently so it's a healthy gap but also seems it should be doable by lore weapon though I could see people better than me pulling it off way sooner.
It very well could be Shootie HG. Although, there is a certain other music group that took... some offense to Sephirot's phase 2 theme.
The phase after adds is OG T9/Titan EX shit. Very annoying to progress. Also, tanks really love to cleave my turret. #justMCHthings
Personally I'd say Thordan was actually much easier.
RIP Soken
A5S - A8S SSS for all classes. Such tank nerfs though, those numbers are lower than pre-3.2 ones. By a lot.
On one hand, I felt like I was going to be tanking more things like ... properly with Midas design. On the other hand, that didn't need gutting my damage to get it to be done. And, most importantly, it didn't even fix the inherent design problem anyway. Crafted i220 and STR accessories still have their places. So I'm a bit "eh?" at the damage loss as well as the whole it not even doing what it was supposed to. Tweak the VIT ratio up a bit (50-45 or 55-40, keep some damage loss) to actually fit their design goal here.
On one hand, I felt like I was going to be tanking more things like ... properly with Midas design. On the other hand, that didn't need gutting my damage to get it to be done. And, most importantly, it didn't even fix the inherent design problem anyway. Crafted i220 and STR accessories still have their places. So I'm a bit "eh?" at the damage loss as well as the whole it not even doing what it was supposed to. Tweak the VIT ratio up a bit (50-45 or 55-40, keep some damage loss) to actually fit their design goal here.
Making STR=VIT seems like a poor choice, if they really wanted to make VIT viable across the board they would have to do something about Parry. STR accessories are still basically it for most cases so what's the gain here? I agree the proportions should have been skewed more for vit than str, but whatever. The core problem will exist till they do something specific to tackle it. DPS oriented tanks are still the preferred method over "tanky" builds through and through.
TomcatTheLion
Member
Did Sephirot Normal last night before going to bed. Took about 3 attempts but had a ton of fun during it all.
Quite interested in how Sephirot EX plays out now.
Quite interested in how Sephirot EX plays out now.
Tweak the VIT ratio up, make Parry a free half-value stat on things instead of a dedicated secondary (ala old Healer Accuracy). Best idea for Parry I've heard short of reevaluating the stat wholesale, anyway.
Holy shit Powerman 5000 is still around?
Maybe we'll get there one day.
Everyone already treats Parry like it's on par with basic elemental defense material stats.
That stat legit needs to be spruced up.
I'm pretty sure Elemental materia would actually do more.
We haven't cleared Extreme yet, still working on the final phase but it seems easy enough granted everyone's awake. We had people in the same situation last night... just lack of sleep leading to mistakes lol.
Lunafreya Nox Fleuret
Member
Finish the last two main story quests.
As far as I know the only time a corpse gets thrown off of the Titan arena is if you die on the section where the ledge collapses (as the arena shrinks in size).
Yep. I spent around an hour in DF the first time I went in there. The problems were people not killing the adds fast enough, the tanks not swapping and people either not killing the heart fast enough or getting smashed by the ball things.
HylianScribe
Member
Shows how tired I am...I can't even read right now...my bad.
Did anyone clear yet on Ultros? Somebody was saying somebody cleared yesterday on our server, but I didn't see anybody with weapons lounging around in Idyllshire (like the jerks who took all the bird mounts yesterday). Though to be fair, if they got their 10 clears those groups are probably enjoying the wipe pest that is 2Faust2Furious.
Also with a larger sample pool of data from yesterday, the Bird drop rate is starting to hover ~5% on Bis/Rav. Will need to gather info until reset. But it sounds like people are seeing one roughly every 20 clears or so, though I personally have seen one every 10 clears on average (Saw 4 yesterday -- 1 Bismark, 3 Ravana -- and did a total of 37 clears of BisEx/RavEx), but other groups who did roughly 20-30 clears saw only 1 drop.
JORMBO
Darkness no more
I eventually got a kill last night. Now A8 pugging makes A7 pugging look easy. Of course the problem with pugs is no one sticks around for more then a wipe or two, so it's like constantly requeueing with a fresh set of people who haven't seen any of the fight yet.
That's not how probability works.