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Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward |OT| The Midas Touch
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SliceSabre
Banned
I am whenever I run Diadem.
Oh I accidentally rolled on healer belt in Void Ark and won it. RIP. Void Ark done for me this week. It is an upgrade but would have rather rolled on pants.
Except you're trading style/look/shorter cast times for a feast/famine class that has predominantly garbage glamour gear and no one will want you because they'll want Summoners instead. Then if you're a Summoner they'll want a BLM instead. You can't win.
Also enjoy the movement heavy fights where your dps falls off. I guess the couple of fire IV big numbers will be fun to look at, since you bring literally nothing else to the table.
jk i love you caster bros
> 10k fire IV crits will never get old.
xxczx
Member
seeing a BLM drop leylines only to move out for AOE will NEVER get old.
Munba
Member
Is Contention from 1.0 or it's a new one?
It's the Dragonsong on piano IIRC.
Munba
Member
Oh ok, thx.
This post makes you sound super jelly.
Demoskinos
Member
As someone who just recently abandoned BLM for DRG the concept of being able to attack and move fucking blew my goddamn mind.
EndcatOmega
Unconfirmed Member
The natural state of Bards.
SliceSabre
Banned
Going to go back to leveling my MCH and PLD. I will finish this struggle!
I've grown to hate myself for leveling PLD because WAR seems so much more fun even if PLD is more forgiving and consistent.
I know right, I ditched black mage and went ninja and the game has been so much more fun. I like black mage but the new changes to the class are just so boring and too much is left to luck. I found I spent more time looking at my timers then playing the game which wasn't much fun.
Unless you're gunning for world first group comp doesn't matter. Especially if they follow through on rumblings of defanging the next raid tier. Play what you want/aren't bad at.
I prefer to pick unpopular but functional jobs. Something something hipster glasses.
You guys can always join me leveling and gearing less than ideal jobs.
We're all welcome on...
I prefer to pick unpopular but functional jobs. Something something hipster glasses.
Find me an A4S group that has cleared double caster pre-weapons. You guys switched, didn't you?
But yeah, if they defang raid, then it's not an issue. Just makes everything harder though.
I doubt we'll change, but if I was to recommend to anyone who's picking what job to level or gear up, it's going to be avoid caster or Paladin until they are changed / buffed, and based on SE's actions in 3.1 (limit break change and DPS comment re: PLD), they won't be changed any time soon, if ever.
Not having a DRG in A4S was pretty rough. We've since changed and the difference is definitely quite large.
DRG + NIN = the dream.
I stopped paying attention after like the second A4S clear so I don't have a concrete example, but a few seconds poking through casters on FFLogs shows this clear from October with BLM/SMN. I can't really verify their gear at the time, so who knows, but from the logs I checked I think this is their normal comp, and yes they had an AST and a Bard but... Double caster isn't a death sentence.
We planned the switch before setting foot in A4S for a few reasons that had basically nothing to do with thinking double caster wasn't viable. Certain group comps make things easier or harder (double caster makes A3S adds significantly easier and is pretty OP in A2S), but I don't think we'be ever had a situation where it was this comp can't work. I had minor worry over losing Disembowel last week, but based on what we saw in actual content I'm pretty sure we could handle that too if that's how it plays out. Group DPS would go down a little, but not non-viable amounts.
I don't know, running PLD/DRK because no one wants to run WAR feels like we leave a lot on the table. I don't necessarily agree that party comp doesn't matter, you can very much fuck up party comp even if you're not going world first. Saying it doesn't matter doesn't mean certain compositions aren't objectively better than others.
Demoskinos
Member
Yeah, don't regret my time with it but I wasn't having as much fun as I used to with it. Its also really hard to be at optimal efficiency with BLM if you don't already know a fight. That being said seeing Fire IV's proc for nearly 10,000 sometimes can make you all tingly in the crotch region.
Yup, party composition makes things harder while before it was a bit more balanced. Essentially SE has done a poor job balancing this expansion and based on 3.1, has shown little interest in re-balancing as either they don't understand the imbalance (esp with the PLD comment) or are saying that you should go double melee (maybe they are looking at statistics like the amount of players who have levelled melee vs caster).
So my point still stands - don't level or gear up caster or Paladin right now.
I am thinking of making the switch to Dark Knight.
Not that it has no impact, but that you shouldn't be picking what you play based on a meta that is most important in early push scenarios. PLD/DRK will cost you, but it's not non-viable. It's not "Somebody has to WAR, you have to have a WAR!", just WAR is OP as hell right now.
I just default to groups generally being stronger if people are doing things they're good at/comfortable with, and not forcing/heavily encouraging into FotM roles to push a meta most groups aren't actually going to fully capitalize on anyway.
Just because it can be done (by 1 group who still has a DRG, try a MNK only as melee), doesn't invalidate the point though. Party composition matters and the difference is significant in everything you do. And ignoring just the lower output in damage, it makes a lot of small things harder.
Say for example, add phase in A3S. When you have 3 ranged DPS, it's harder to tell who's on what mob by visual so when you are a DPS and determining which mob to land that barrage or Fire IV or whatever on, you don't know if someone is about to finish off the mob you're using the action on or not which leads to a lot of overkilling / wasted DPS.
Now we'll personally probably not change and just ride it out until the next patch when raid becomes de-fanged, but it does make everything harder for us. So when someone asks what they should do, of course I would tell them not to level those jobs.
Say for example, add phase in A3S. When you have 3 ranged DPS, it's harder to tell who's on what mob by visual so when you are a DPS and determining which mob to land that barrage or Fire IV or whatever on, you don't know if someone is about to finish off the mob you're using the action on or not which leads to a lot of overkilling / wasted DPS.
Now we'll personally probably not change and just ride it out until the next patch when raid becomes de-fanged, but it does make everything harder for us. So when someone asks what they should do, of course I would tell them not to level those jobs.
Okay.
Yes, party comp can lose out on a lot but like ... unless we're really optimizing, the biggest loss will be from people just making mistakes. Having a Warrior means nothing if they're pushing 600-ish DPS and don't actually use their kit properly. DRG is great to have since Disembowel is huge but if your ranged is garbage, you'd probably be better off with a Monk (or Ninja if there isn't one already). Evaluating jobs as a "NEED" works in a vacuum but execution is highly relevant.
Honestly, party comp outright failing a clear just isn't really an excuse at this point of the patch cycle. If you're failing, it's because people aren't doing well.
Sounds more like people are blind to be honest. More ranged makes it a lot easier to track things unless you ignore the targeting arrows. And general bad target priority.
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VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
I think one of the comments in the JP OF topic about tanks mentioned something about how most of the abilities that reduce damage are physical based where as there are very few that reduce magical so making content that focuses on magical damage maybe isn't the best idea.
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Fun, no. Mindless, yes. Beneficial, yes.
Well it's not fun by virtue of the content, but it's an excuse to do things with FC mates or people you know, so it's enjoyable that way. But if you want to do it via Ishgard with strangers, then it's extremely boring.
Having more Physical ones won't matter though and kind of misses the mark on what's really going on between tanks and the content this tier.
Meh, really?
Anyway, non-optimal parties will be harder. That's sort of implied when you have an optimal setup. The issue I'm taking here is when people go towards "If we fix our party, everything will work!" instead of "What are we doing wrong as players." There is nothing you need to be optimized for at this point in the patch and bandaid fixes like swapping to the flavor of the month is just coasting at the same level of play instead of trying to improve instead. There's a reason why A3S is brickwalling people and it's not party compositions.
I guess it's a "tl;dr: git gud" but I'm just more a fan of figuring out how to play better rather than fixing everything around myself.
I've done progression A3S in double melee and double caster comps--this isn't me making things up, this is me going in with double caster the first time and being shocked at how much better it worked. Triple ranged is significantly easier. SMN slowing everything makes kill times ridiculously lenient, the ranged aspect makes drainage positioning significantly easier since there's only one melee to dodge, and actual kill management is something groups evolve over time. BLM should be focusing on fresh spawns not near anyone, SMN should be dotting and slowing and occasionally nuking as trance allows, Bard/MCH finishes off things that are low. You have no real downtime due to people needing to get to mobs, and there's no real contention over close spawns. Ferrofluid is less annoying.
Something I have fond memories of that I have no intention of ever revisiting.
That's a shame. Pretty sure I'm done raiding in this game so I was hoping this would be a good alternative for me.
Has nothing to do with physical or magical damage mitigation. That's not why people are changing from PLD to WAR or DRK, and why you need a WAR.
It's all about DPS. You just output less. I am ranked 6th on our server on A1S clear at 630 DPS, the 6th on our server for DRK on A1S clear is at 879 DPS.
That's a significant difference. And no matter how much you mitigate unless it's enough to allow the WHM to DPS 250 more DPS, then it's not going to make the difference.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
I guess it's just the way the game is designed currently then where the utility that each tank has doesn't really matter beyond keeping you alive while the rest is spent into getting as much DPS as possible.
Is that really an issue with the design though? I feel like that's the optimal way to go about anything, doing only what is needed to survive then the rest into downing the boss as fast as possible. I'm sure there are MMOs or other games where that isn't the case and there are other things to consider but I can't think of any at the moment.
Ah yes, the good times of "hey, we should probably have this spot for the debuff pass?" instead of ... I dunno, something logical.
Not to mention how we're so reliant on Drg's piercing debuff to deal decent DPS.
Oh god...
Yeah, I was talking to some others who are pretty close to a clear and they echoed the same thoughts.
I'll add you later today, maybe we can get some stuff done.
Time to convince our Mnk to switch back to Drg. Oh joy.
Someone else in here had the same problem.
I had the same problem when I was using the DX11 client on PC. (It wouldn't crash after a teleport, but it would hang on the loading screen)
irfaanator
Banned
rip
Thanks for info, glad to know its not just me. Hope they fix it soon.
V
Vilix
Unconfirmed Member
Created my character. And I believe I'm on the Ultros server. Not definitely sure though. I picked Primal and it had Ultros listed as one of the servers. I'm trying to get the basics down. Like navigating through the menus. I'm doing some lvl 1 & 2 side quests as well. Just taking it easy so I don't get overwhelmed.
Yes, I experienced one today. Thought it might be my connection to the server.
Yes, I experienced one today. Thought it might be my connection to the server.
Paladin was fine for A1-3S honestly. A4 not so much.