Hah, I just did the same thing because I wasn't feeling my mage. Made a warrior instead.
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Hah, I just did the same thing because I wasn't feeling my mage. Made a warrior instead.
I found it funny that she's the only character who actually changes clothes when going to Coerthas.
crazygambit
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I hate you. On my off hands I have to budget at least 50 materia for the last 2 slots and I've fallen short! Once I used about 55 on the last slot alone, luckily they were Tier I, but that means it was an 8% chance. So RNGJesus definitely doesn't love me when I meld.
On the other hand, last night I went 8/8 in HQing 4* mats starting from 0, which is what I managed to get done with 1 bouillabaisse. I'm really liking my rotation and I really don't know how you guys do it without Waste Not II. This of course means I have no room for Rumination, but it's fine since I never reclaim on mats. For final crafts I haven't used Reclaim in a long time (after failing 3 in a row). I'm even thinking of taking it out entirely (but there isn't anything else I need either, so it stays for the time being).
Acquired all 8 Lucis Crafting Tools Last night... soooo many GC Seals! I have 97 HQ Redolent Logs and HQ 91 Antumbral Rock so I'll have Botanist & Miner done today 
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/2803251/blog/1980609/
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/2803251/blog/1980609/
I didn't day it was particularly neccesary to kill it, I pretty much said if you weren't partied with complete idiots (which is a difficult proposition in this game I'm finding) it was piss easy. But then again who doesn't want to be invincible for over a minute?
You are making the rest of us look badAcquired all 8 Lucis Crafting Tools Last night... soooo many GC Seals! I have 97 HQ Redolent Logs and HQ 91 Antumbral Rock so I'll have Botanist & Miner done today
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/2803251/blog/1980609/
Anyway I've resubsribed now and just cleared World of Darkness for the first time. Much better than Syrcus Tower which was boring. This has actual mechanics. I like how they took stuff from T6/7 pre nerf. No wipes as well. Sure I died a couple times. One i learned afterwards what I did wrong (stood between cerburus and food when killing the add) and the other I was knocked high in the air by what I don't know
That was pretty surprising actually. Why just her? It's as if they knew her dress code wasn't right
crazygambit
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Acquired all 8 Lucis Crafting Tools Last night... soooo many GC Seals! I have 97 HQ Redolent Logs and HQ 91 Antumbral Rock so I'll have Botanist & Miner done today
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/2803251/blog/1980609/
That's really insane. What would you say was your HQ percentage for the 40 dur items. I haven't even sat down and thought about a rotation for those yet. The extra mats for some of those seem even more expensive that the untradeable ones, so I'm wondering if I should Reclaim when things don't go my way.
Still quite a while till I actually try them. I actually would like to do it with my WVR so I could get away with a less aggressive meld on my off-hand.
Just Gladiator which you'll need to get to 22 minimum for Provoke. I guess a Pugilist to 12 might also be useful
The way the game works, you'll only be a Marauder to level 30. At that point, you unlock the ability to become a Warrior, which gives you more skills and stats and outside of PVP edge cases you'll always go Warrior from that point on.
Becoming WAR requires MRD at 30 and Gladiator at 15, so you'd want to level Gladiator at least that far (ultimately you're going to need access to Provoke, which comes later, but while leveling you can get by without it.) Warriors can also use skills from Pugilist, so that'd be not bad to focus on next.
From that point it's about what else you'd rather do--30 Gladiator + 15 conjurer = Paladin, so you could do that... Or focus on something else entirely. But that's way later.
PhillipCostigan
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AND SO IT BEGINS
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Welcome to the true endgame. Worse RNG than coil loot, some of the strictest gear checks imaginable, and tons of grind.
On that note, the new rod seems fairly attainable and better statted than Ironworks. Hm.
Everything to 15 for basic skills
CUL 37 for SH2
WVR 50 for careful synth 2/CRP 50 for Byregot's (either order really)
Then whatever order you want. SH2, CS2, and Byregot's will help a ton.
Welcome to the true endgame. Worse RNG than coil loot, some of the strictest gear checks imaginable, and tons of grind.
On that note, the new rod seems fairly attainable and better statted than Ironworks. Hm.
Everything to 15 for basic skills
CUL 37 for SH2
WVR 50 for careful synth 2/CRP 50 for Byregot's (either order really)
Then whatever order you want. SH2, CS2, and Byregot's will help a ton.
PhillipCostigan
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I'm mainly just in it to make money to buy a cottage :/
Got BTN and MIN to 15, now working on this. Don't know whether to get all DoL up to 50 first (and which one first...) or what to do.
For now I'm just fishin'
Got BTN and MIN to 15, now working on this. Don't know whether to get all DoL up to 50 first (and which one first...) or what to do.
For now I'm just fishin'
Don't know how much money there is in gathering. Spritbonding is probably the way to go for cash...Sealants were still doing ok yesterday at around 180k per but that market may have crashed more by now.
Grad school starts on Monday, main reason that I plowed through these, gonna be busy the next few months.
On first go I'd HQ 15/20 on average so 75% HQ then out of the 5 maybe 2 - 3 NQ's.
People are so desperate for mats, Hippogryph Skin is @ 3K each, Darksteel / Gold Ore 1K each. Saw a PF for 2.5 mil for 1000 Leathers! Glad I got this done early
PhillipCostigan
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my original intention was to level crafting classes to make my own gear to spiritbond, which turned into levelling gathering classes first to gather my own mats, which turned into people telling me there's more money in gathering anyway
I'm pretty lost to be honest. I'm finding a lot of this DoL and DoH stuff pretty impenetrable and obtuse.
I'm following guides for levelling, but still.
djplaeskool
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Having missed so much of the game, I'm rolling big bunches of linear content up and its been kind of amazing.
Yesterday, I completed the Crystal Tower in it's entirety (Labyrinth > Syrcus > WoD) and holy smokes. I'm kind of upset I've missed out on this content. Even got a mnk hands drop in WoD.
I've been conscripted into my FC's Coil static, and will kick that off this weekend.
Now I'm going to take it easy and go through these Main Scenario missions.
Realized that I haven't even started the 2.1 story content, so I've got a ways to go.
Yesterday, I completed the Crystal Tower in it's entirety (Labyrinth > Syrcus > WoD) and holy smokes. I'm kind of upset I've missed out on this content. Even got a mnk hands drop in WoD.
I've been conscripted into my FC's Coil static, and will kick that off this weekend.
Now I'm going to take it easy and go through these Main Scenario missions.
Realized that I haven't even started the 2.1 story content, so I've got a ways to go.
http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/2tc5fk/spoiler_midgardsomr_japanese_versus_english/
Oh god what have I done
Oh god what have I done
Fishing in its current state is not where I'd go to make money. It's possible, but the return on investment is probably lower than any other profession right now and the time sink is huge. Relatively few fish are worth anything, and unlike BTN/MIN you have to deal with RNG not giving you the right thing when going for the small handful of fish that do consistently sell. The other thing is if they do patch money-making fishing stuff in pre-expansion, you'll be faced with a gear check that reaquires a small house's worth of gear and melds anyway.
You can actually make some money while leveling the other professions for just straight grinding nodes with mats that sell (especially the ones that have shards/crystals.) Or go spiritbonding (get Xtech to give you a discount on gear or something; even spiritbonding vendor gear can turn a profit it's just so boring.) . Or do what I do and blow up shoes; the FC3 market has bounced back over 45k since patch, which is nice, so the profit margin is decent again for minimal effort and a comparatively small up-front investment.
I'm all for promoting fishing as a way to kill time, kind of zen thing, but it's not where I'd go to make money.
You can actually make some money while leveling the other professions for just straight grinding nodes with mats that sell (especially the ones that have shards/crystals.) Or go spiritbonding (get Xtech to give you a discount on gear or something; even spiritbonding vendor gear can turn a profit it's just so boring.) . Or do what I do and blow up shoes; the FC3 market has bounced back over 45k since patch, which is nice, so the profit margin is decent again for minimal effort and a comparatively small up-front investment.
I'm all for promoting fishing as a way to kill time, kind of zen thing, but it's not where I'd go to make money.
It is for me too! I didn't even open any crafting or gathering classes until they introduced the Ixal dailies. Just doing those to max level was enough for me to get CUL up to ~45 and then the game started throwing money at me in the form of oaknots and sealants which was nice. Like I said before though that ship may have sailed with the increased oaknot rewards in this latest patch.
After I got my house I also leveled miner up to 50 to get soil for farming but after my three thavnavarian onions died around Xmas because I couldn't log on I've been too depressed to garden anymore.
PhillipCostigan
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well the idea of levelling Fisher was to aid my levelling of culinarian so I can that that cross class skill at 37 and then go work on the others.
I dunno.
Like I have a goal and I'm willing to put in any amount of time to get there without having to rely on people and basically just get there levelling my own stuff. If people have a recommendation on the best way to do that, that's pretty much what I'm looking for.
From what I gather the best way to do it is spiritbonding level 45+ gear, preferably HQ gear. For that I'd need to level crafting classes, for which I need materials, preferable HQ materials which means primarily levelling gathering classes, mainly BTN and MIN. But there are specific cross class skills that I should be aiming for, primarily the Culinarian one.
So my train of thought was to level Fisher, followed by Culinarian, followed by Botanist and Miner, followed by the rest of the crafting classes to 15 to get cross class skills and then the main crafting classes for gear.
I don't mind if it takes me months on end, just want the best/most efficient (in cost mainly) to get to the point where I'm making reasonable profit by using my own stuff.
I dunno.
Like I have a goal and I'm willing to put in any amount of time to get there without having to rely on people and basically just get there levelling my own stuff. If people have a recommendation on the best way to do that, that's pretty much what I'm looking for.
From what I gather the best way to do it is spiritbonding level 45+ gear, preferably HQ gear. For that I'd need to level crafting classes, for which I need materials, preferable HQ materials which means primarily levelling gathering classes, mainly BTN and MIN. But there are specific cross class skills that I should be aiming for, primarily the Culinarian one.
So my train of thought was to level Fisher, followed by Culinarian, followed by Botanist and Miner, followed by the rest of the crafting classes to 15 to get cross class skills and then the main crafting classes for gear.
I don't mind if it takes me months on end, just want the best/most efficient (in cost mainly) to get to the point where I'm making reasonable profit by using my own stuff.
crazygambit
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It is for me too! I didn't even open any crafting or gathering classes until they introduced the Ixal dailies. Just doing those to max level was enough for me to get CUL up to ~45 and then the game started throwing money at me in the form of oaknots and sealants which was nice. Like I said before though that ship may have sailed with the increased oaknot rewards in this latest patch.
After I got my house I also leveled miner up to 50 to get soil for farming but after my three thavnavarian onions died around Xmas because I couldn't log on I've been too depressed to garden anymore.
What? I think I missed that. What increased rewards?
So, okay. IMO the best way to get your crafters up is leve spam. This is what I used to get CUL to 50; you'll notice that there is a grand total of one recipe in the list that uses fish. Even if you NQ everything, and need twice the turn-ins, that's still only 18 fish needed on your path to CUL 50. Botany and slaughtering monsters will be way, way more useful than fishing in the long run and in the leveling process. You can hold back your CUL progress until you can fish your own salmon, I guess, but just buying them seems to make more sense (or hire an existing fisher to catch them for you. It's still self-sufficient if you're hiring employees!)
There's no dumb luck at all. I don't watch cast bar, I watch the AOE marker on the ground. If you're outside of the AOE when it disappears, you won't get hit. Your control method can effect this a lot. I saw a tank in Brayflox once that was not using any kind of strafing or mouse look and he ate every single breath. He was trying to dodge by pressing his D key to spin his character 90 degrees to run out of it. It was maddening to watch. I use my gamepad 90% of the time when I'm playing tank but Legacy type movement keys with the keyboard or quick mouse looking is just as well.
Lastly, the bosses in this game almost always do things in a particular order. If you fight that dragon enough you will know when he is going to breathe and can start moving to the side before he even starts casting.
crazygambit
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That's interesting. Did you use the 2 step method (Ing II, RS and then unbuffed CS2 at the end) or 3 step IngII CS2*3? Or just RS, CS2, CS2 which saves you 32 CP. I still can't decide how to go about it.
The highest level of quests give 2 oaknots now so if you do all your daily allowance you can get 9 a day.
crazygambit
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Ooohh since I'm part asleep when I do them I didn't even notice. Since you get 9, maybe it's a good idea to do a deliverance one that gives you moonstones. 1 Oaknot per moonstone sounds decent, since you can still get a sealant a day.
Bit of a random question, but have the developers stated anything in regards to how the 2.0 content will be addressed in the expansion?
Will it simply remain there as is, and the expansion continues on from there for veteran players?
For example: Will new players post expansion release be forced to complete the 2.0 story and subsequent events in order to engage in the new additions and what-have-you?
Will it simply remain there as is, and the expansion continues on from there for veteran players?
For example: Will new players post expansion release be forced to complete the 2.0 story and subsequent events in order to engage in the new additions and what-have-you?
Pyros_Eien
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On making money, crafting and gathering, overall gathering is a fairly saturated market. There's a few things that sell decently, but you're capped in how much you can make per day by the amount of times you can gather(once an hour) as well as how much of the NQ stuff you can sell(for stuff like gold ore this is nearly infinite, but for more higher end stuff that actually costs a bit, there's only a limited market and if you dump a stack of 99 it might take several days to sell even if it's the lowest price).
For botanist I think the only good stuff is the high end stuff, with a special mention for the 1star stuff that goes in new recipes/make the i55 whm staff(trillium bulb, vampire plants, thavnairian mistletoe) as well as other 1star basic materials like spruce. Seeds might be good too but I don't know how worth farming they are. The problem of the high end stuff is you need a severe investment, both in time and money, to be able to get there. Can kinda make money but wouldn't recommend.
For mining, it's a bit of the same thing, with high end mats and 1star stuff(darksteel/gold ore) being good sellers. Soil is the difference as unlike seeds, it's a guaranteed item. Shroud soil has crashed to one of its lowest level in the past 6months though, but Than soil is still relatively strong at around 12-14k per, which is lower than it was a few months ago, but still decent.
Note that both of these can also gather clusters, and that's probably the most reliable money you can get. Every crafter needs clusters, and ain't nobody got time to farm themselves, so they generally sell for 700-1000 each, you can deifnitely sell stacks of 100-300 of them every day easily and you gather a good amount. You'll want to look into a rotation to maximize those though, and a way to procure cordial so you can hit every node.
Fishing I don't know, it just seems so not worth the time. It's RNG based, it's time based(instead of hitting one node every hour for 15secs, you have to fish for like 30mins at specific RNG based times) and the money you make seems low. Fishing is fun, kinda, the process of completing the log, looking for the right weather, getting the double mooches and stuff like that, but this isn't where you want to look for money, unless they add new swimsuits.
As for crafting/leveling crafting, I'd say, forget about the idea of gathering your own stuff, for the most part. Buying materials is cheap. Buying items is expensive. Having just crafting is good enough, you'll save a ton of money crafting your own stuff, but the time/money saved ratio for gathering your own stuff too is fairly poor. Also depending on the class you're spiritbinding, you won't need to even gather much as the gear is mostly combat drops, so gathering becomes worthless(to be clear, if you're a caster or DoW, you'll need cloth and leather, both of which aren't gathered but dropped, only electrum for the jewelry would be gathered and electrum is generally at a low price due to bots). Level crafting via leves, do follow the recommendations for what you want to level in what order posted above, and just buy the mats off the market. Try to buy at the right time(some items go down during the weekend, some go up, check prices often and you'll see the trends).
You can ignore both and spiritbind vendor gear. Make sure to meld materias(1per item, type doesn't matter), it's slower than HQ, but it's cheaper, you'll never run into an issue of not finding the gear you want, and ultimately you make good money out of it regardless.
P.S. : I don't know every market, there might be hidden goldmines in there for sure. I just looked at a lot of the stuff I could gather and determined most of it wasn't worth my time versus just crafting. There's also quite a lot of ways to make money out of crafting without actual good crafting gear. A lot of the lower level stuff sells for very good prices compared to the materials price, and while you're not gonna make 2-3millions per item like high end crafting, you can sell 10-15items and make 7-10k per items everyday for like an hour of crafting, which is a pretty decent sum.
For botanist I think the only good stuff is the high end stuff, with a special mention for the 1star stuff that goes in new recipes/make the i55 whm staff(trillium bulb, vampire plants, thavnairian mistletoe) as well as other 1star basic materials like spruce. Seeds might be good too but I don't know how worth farming they are. The problem of the high end stuff is you need a severe investment, both in time and money, to be able to get there. Can kinda make money but wouldn't recommend.
For mining, it's a bit of the same thing, with high end mats and 1star stuff(darksteel/gold ore) being good sellers. Soil is the difference as unlike seeds, it's a guaranteed item. Shroud soil has crashed to one of its lowest level in the past 6months though, but Than soil is still relatively strong at around 12-14k per, which is lower than it was a few months ago, but still decent.
Note that both of these can also gather clusters, and that's probably the most reliable money you can get. Every crafter needs clusters, and ain't nobody got time to farm themselves, so they generally sell for 700-1000 each, you can deifnitely sell stacks of 100-300 of them every day easily and you gather a good amount. You'll want to look into a rotation to maximize those though, and a way to procure cordial so you can hit every node.
Fishing I don't know, it just seems so not worth the time. It's RNG based, it's time based(instead of hitting one node every hour for 15secs, you have to fish for like 30mins at specific RNG based times) and the money you make seems low. Fishing is fun, kinda, the process of completing the log, looking for the right weather, getting the double mooches and stuff like that, but this isn't where you want to look for money, unless they add new swimsuits.
As for crafting/leveling crafting, I'd say, forget about the idea of gathering your own stuff, for the most part. Buying materials is cheap. Buying items is expensive. Having just crafting is good enough, you'll save a ton of money crafting your own stuff, but the time/money saved ratio for gathering your own stuff too is fairly poor. Also depending on the class you're spiritbinding, you won't need to even gather much as the gear is mostly combat drops, so gathering becomes worthless(to be clear, if you're a caster or DoW, you'll need cloth and leather, both of which aren't gathered but dropped, only electrum for the jewelry would be gathered and electrum is generally at a low price due to bots). Level crafting via leves, do follow the recommendations for what you want to level in what order posted above, and just buy the mats off the market. Try to buy at the right time(some items go down during the weekend, some go up, check prices often and you'll see the trends).
You can ignore both and spiritbind vendor gear. Make sure to meld materias(1per item, type doesn't matter), it's slower than HQ, but it's cheaper, you'll never run into an issue of not finding the gear you want, and ultimately you make good money out of it regardless.
P.S. : I don't know every market, there might be hidden goldmines in there for sure. I just looked at a lot of the stuff I could gather and determined most of it wasn't worth my time versus just crafting. There's also quite a lot of ways to make money out of crafting without actual good crafting gear. A lot of the lower level stuff sells for very good prices compared to the materials price, and while you're not gonna make 2-3millions per item like high end crafting, you can sell 10-15items and make 7-10k per items everyday for like an hour of crafting, which is a pretty decent sum.
All they said is that the content will remain, but in what form is a mystery.
PhillipCostigan
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Thanks for the advice, got WVR to 20 pretty fast (the "hardest" was crafting all the damn basic mats, quick synth sucks), I'm gonna start working on the other crafting class to get them all to 15 then. I'll get to gathering some day.
I must say the game doesn't do a very good job at explaining crafting that well, it took me "a while" to realize the color your crafting tool is glowing in meant something. (I still don't know what it means when it's glowing dark purple).
As for SBing, if I'm going to do the Vendor Trash route at first, I just have to buy the stuff in Mor Dhona? The ilvl seems quite low so I figured you needed crafted HQ stuff for a chance at the valuable materias. (I guess Savage IIs are worth quite a bit though, unless the market suddenly crashed).
I must say the game doesn't do a very good job at explaining crafting that well, it took me "a while" to realize the color your crafting tool is glowing in meant something. (I still don't know what it means when it's glowing dark purple).
As for SBing, if I'm going to do the Vendor Trash route at first, I just have to buy the stuff in Mor Dhona? The ilvl seems quite low so I figured you needed crafted HQ stuff for a chance at the valuable materias. (I guess Savage IIs are worth quite a bit though, unless the market suddenly crashed).
DeliciousDoc
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dumb question but how to I apply to the GAF free company ingame? Do I have to find a member so I can click on the free company, visit the headquarters or is there an easier way?
I already filled out the form.
I already filled out the form.
Find a random member with <<GAF>> and then do what it says in the OP. You can find GAF.. well, everywhere. We have an fc house in Mist, ward 1 plot 15(?), Limsa Lominsa residential area.
RellyRell28
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So overall is it faster to buy vendor gear at SB it or to go out and get all the mats and craft yourself and SB.
cultureculture
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Dear fellow BLMs. I noticed a weird thing in the Keeper of the Lake boss fight, is this normal? (Using spoiler tags out of consideration for those who haven't done it yet.)
When Midgardsormr goes invincible at the beginning of the fight, it usually lines up at around the point that I cast my first Blizzard 3. This gets voided, but despite the attack 'not counting', I still lose my Astral Fire stacks (without getting Umbral Ice). Is this supposed to happen or is it a bug? (I don't usually try to hit things that are immune or miss, so if it's happened before, it's either been rare or I haven't noticed in the heat of the moment.)
Interesting. I guess I'll have a character go through the story just in case they remove certain things or scale back the progression of events.
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