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Final Fantasy XIV |OT6| Casino Royale

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studyguy

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Echo probably will play into it, or some legacy deal.
I have nothing against it tbh, just noting that even with coil 1-5 being severely nerfed, there are still tons of people who probably haven't even bothered. I have to wonder if they'll throw non raiders a bone down the road.
 

kierwynn

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Teknoman

Member
There are very important story pieces scattered in first coil (yes i'm finally past it) so I wouldnt be surprised. I mean i'd think a huge
spaceship buried underground
is pretty important.
 

studyguy

Member
There are very important story pieces scattered in first coil (yes i'm finally past it) so I wouldnt be surprised. I mean i'd think a huge
spaceship buried underground
is pretty important.

Really it's like you can't throw a stone or dig a hole in the dirt without hitting some ancient allag tech in Eorzea.
 

Sorian

Banned
After they're all opened up and echo'd, it's only a matter of time before people out gear it, right? I haven't done nearly any of the coil, but it seems like a lot of the story is a direct continuation of 1.0 events— and the people you might typically see running it are legacy players who were/are fit to take on that end game content. Whereas the current main story is dealing with entirely different, new events. Doesn't seem too crazy to me but, again, I haven't done enough of it to know.

There are plenty of fights you can't out gear. If you don't learn the mechanics, the game tells you to go fuck right off.
 

Wilsongt

Member
Really it's like you can't throw a stone or dig a hole in the dirt without hitting some ancient allag tech in Eorzea.

Just the other day I was in the shroud and trip over something. Busted my lip on an ancient allagan blender. Those darn allagans.
 

K.Sabot

Member
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we did it boys/girls

I told myself I would level a glad during queue times if I had a queue longer than 100 minutes.
 

Lonestar

I joined for Erin Brockovich discussion
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we did it boys/girls

I told myself I would level a glad during queue times if I had a queue longer than 100 minutes.

lol, guess I'll bust out GLA and then PLD, and just do Rogue FC groups.

Also looks like it'll be awhile before I try another DPS job.
 

Tiops

Member
Multiple turn-ins used to be the way to do it, but now they are shit. For the most bang for your leve buck, use the courier missions. You'll get better at HQ'ing once you get more crossskills and better equipment. It will still be harder to HQ things at your level though. There is always the alternative of getting someone else that is 50 to craft them for you.

Low level HQing is hard, specially if you don't have the best cross class skills.
Thanks forcthe help! Did a little search for the essential cross class skills. Apparently, I need carpenter at 50...
 

phierce

Member
Yeah, fuck that.

It's a mind-numbing bore to do it, but you can FATE grind to 50 pretty quickly...even at a casual pace. The only slow time is mid-20s to 34. Soon as you hit 34, it's gravy.
 

jorgeton

Member
Yeesh. That low-level DPS queue time.

On the flipside, it takes me less than a minute to get into low level duty roulette as a WAR, and high level roulette and ST queue times as a MNK are near instantaneous. That'll probably change once all these Ninja's hit level 50 :(
 

WolvenOne

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After they're all opened up and echo'd, it's only a matter of time before people out gear it, right? I haven't done nearly any of the coil, but it seems like a lot of the story is a direct continuation of 1.0 events— and the people you might typically see running it are legacy players who were/are fit to take on that end game content. Whereas the current main story is dealing with entirely different, new events. Doesn't seem too crazy to me but, again, I haven't done enough of it to know.

Final Coil likely won't be getting any Echo until after the expansion hits. Even then, there have been a ton of Coil fights where better stats only eased difficulty to a certain point. Coil is mostly a mechanics check, so really all echo does it make the phases pass more quickly. I mean, that's good, but only insomuch as it reduces the opportunities for something to go wrong.

All of this is, in part, why I'm so eager to clear Final Coil before expansion. Once the expansion comes out, Coil's going to be a dead raid REALLY fast.
 

K.Sabot

Member
Yeah, fuck that.

It's a mind-numbing bore to do it, but you can FATE grind to 50 pretty quickly...even at a casual pace. The only slow time is mid-20s to 34. Soon as you hit 34, it's gravy.

Yeah, but I start new characters for each class I want to play, so these are just the story related dungeons I have to go through.
 

WolvenOne

Member
Yeah, but I start new characters for each class I want to play, so these are just the story related dungeons I have to go through.

You do know that in many cases you have to level up multiple classes on a single character, just to have full access to a jobs cross class skills, right?

FFXIV really isn't alt friendly. <_<;;
 

K.Sabot

Member
You do know that in many cases you have to level up multiple classes on a single character, just to have full access to a jobs cross class skills, right?

FFXIV really isn't alt friendly. <_<;;

I don't like the thought of my main character being able to do everything at any time, which is a big mental block for me. If I am everything I am nothing etc etc, create my characters with specific identities and don't stray too far from them.
 

WolvenOne

Member
I don't like the thought of my main character being able to do everything at any time, which is a big mental block for me. If I am everything I am nothing etc etc, create my characters with specific identities and don't stray too far from them.

Yeeeaaah, except at end game you kinda, NEED these abilities. For example, most groups won't even let you ATTEMPT content as a Warrior, unless you've leveled up Gladiator to have access to Provoke. It's considered an essential skill at endgame.

Similarly, good luck getting into endgame content without Internal Release and Blood for Blood on your Ninja. Your DPS will be so far behind par that you simply won't be able to keep up on a lot of content, until you're vastly over geared for it.
 
I don't like the thought of my main character being able to do everything at any time, which is a big mental block for me. If I am everything I am nothing etc etc, create my characters with specific identities and don't stray too far from them.

yea, you're missing out if you don't get some of the essential cross class abilities, so in the end you'll at least have to level up the other classes a bit
 

DarkKyo

Member
I don't like the thought of my main character being able to do everything at any time, which is a big mental block for me. If I am everything I am nothing etc etc, create my characters with specific identities and don't stray too far from them.

I'm this way to a certain point. I don't want my blackmage character to be the same character as my melee classes as I create the look and name of the characters with their role in mind. I only have two characters really, and I don't plan to raise anymore besides them.

Edit: Also theres no reason you cant get all class abilities on all of your characters(or at least the abilities you actually need for that main class)
 

Klyka

Banned
If those cross class abilities are so essential why didn't they just give them to the classes from the start?
 

Isaccard

Member
I enjoy fate grinding. Follow the hoarde while doing like 3 other things at once

Problem is we're gonna have all these fate ninja who have no idea how to play the class with a real party because they never step foot into a dungeon with it
 
I crafted the 4* ilvl 110 Bard Body HQ Kirimu Coat... listed it for 20 million and it sold within the hour!!!!

Says something when the person who bought it for so much doesn't even have any crafters or gatherers leveled high enough to make any kind of gil. They also bought a normal quality caster chest for 2.5mil.

It says this is a case of the badbards where a bard looked over their sol chest that laughs at spending several mil in melds trying to make the crafted one good, it also says
some Chinaman made his paycheck for the week
.
 
I also enjoy FATE grinding. It's great for classes that I don't feel comfortable using in dungeons currently and I wind up with a ton of GC seals.
 

Kenai

Member
If those cross class abilities are so essential why didn't they just give them to the classes from the start?

So that you are forced to at least try other classes and make use of the job switching ability, one of the main draws of the game, even if you end up not liking other classes as much. At least they know you gave it a fair shake that way.

I personally love having the ability to switch to and play a different job and save a lot of my progress if a new one comes along that I like or a group needs a different role than my "main", vs rerolling entirely, and I really don't think the game is asking much of anyone by getting 2 additional jobs into the 30s at the highest either. If you like that job so much why wouldn't you want to do that? It's not like they are stopping you entirely from making new alts either...it's just a hell of a lot more work than something like WoW.

I enjoy fate grinding. Follow the hoarde while doing like 3 other things at once

Problem is we're gonna have all these fate ninja who have no idea how to play the class with a real party because they never step foot into a dungeon with it

With the way the game works some essential abilities from a class rotation (aka Dragon Kick on Monk) or a clutch class skill (Lustrate on SCH0 aren't learned til at or near max anyway, so there's gonna be newbs either way.

I do expect the chance for a scrub NIN to be a bit higher than the rest for the time being though obv. It won't be any worse than the DK plague in WoW's heyday at least. I'm expecting to see a ton of them in my DF EX queues next week though. I'm a bit worried...
 

WolvenOne

Member
I enjoy fate grinding. Follow the hoarde while doing like 3 other things at once

Problem is we're gonna have all these fate ninja who have no idea how to play the class with a real party because they never step foot into a dungeon with it

Gonna have a similar problem myself, since I'm trying to level monk. I know the low level rotations, since I had to use them in dungeons, but I haven't figured out how to best work in some more recent abilities into rotation, and I'm not sure I will until I get into some dungeuns, with some proper tanks to work with.

(Getting Flank and Rear hits in is rather difficult when you have enmity.)
 

Mairu

Member
Problem is we're gonna have all these fate ninja who have no idea how to play the class with a real party because they never step foot into a dungeon with it

I always hate seeing this excuse as if dungeons somehow actually teach people how to play their class. There's no shortage of players at level 50 who don't actually know how to play their class and getting into a dungeon on the way to 50 doesn't really help them. Dungeons don't actually teach players proper skill rotations or the importance of awareness. A dungeon doesn't require all four players to actually be alert when they're playing. Guildhests do a better job at teaching dungeon/raid awareness, but you can play through 1-50 completely ignoring them if you want to.
 

Reknoc

Member
I enjoy fate grinding. Follow the hoarde while doing like 3 other things at once

Problem is we're gonna have all these fate ninja who have no idea how to play the class with a real party because they never step foot into a dungeon with it

I always LLDR when levelling, chances are still low that I know what I'm doing though
 

WolvenOne

Member
I always hate seeing this excuse as if dungeons somehow actually teach people how to play their class. There's no shortage of players at level 50 who don't actually know how to play their class and getting into a dungeon on the way to 50 doesn't really help them. Dungeons don't actually teach players proper skill rotations or the importance of awareness. A dungeon doesn't require all four players to actually be alert when they're playing. Guildhests do a better job at teaching dungeon/raid awareness, but you can play through 1-50 completely ignoring them if you want to.

I would actually agree that Guildhests do a good job teaching these sorts of things.

I would also agree that they're underutilized. Even before this patch, the queues to get into Guildhests were rather long.
 

TheMink

Member
I would actually agree that Guildhests do a good job teaching these sorts of things.

I would also agree that they're underutilized. Even before this patch, the queues to get into Guildhests were rather long.

They also give decent xp and fulfill up to 3 different challenge log rewards.

The two hest rewards, then also the commendation reward.
 

Frumix

Suffering From Success
I doesn't matter how UI is set up as long as you have everything where you want it to be.
T11 seems pretty boring to watch without knowing what mechanics are.

Also
Success.
 

Sorian

Banned
I doesn't matter how UI is set up as long as you have everything where you want it to be.
T11 seems pretty boring to watch without knowing what mechanics are.

Also

Success.

I won't admit to liking your style but I will say we both prioritize the right things in the Shiva fight.
 

studyguy

Member
Really does look like T8 with the addition of the team fighting an ADS while the tank just takes a beating alone for a while. That giant ass AoE at 8m though looks terrifyingly strong. Also pizza slice AoEs lol, gaseous bomb type attack that seems to need 3 people stacking?? Tank took a dive late and they still recovered too. JPs too stronk
 

studyguy

Member
Guys, how do I get the rogue class?

Limsa near the Fisherman's Guild.
Also how many of you Narutos are gonna stay believing it after you're at 50?
I get the feeling most of the people leveling NIN in my LS and FC are pretty sick of it now that they're close to 50.
 

Sorian

Banned
Limsa near the Fisherman's Guild.
Also how many of you Narutos are gonna stay believing it after you're at 50?
I get the feeling most of the people leveling NIN in my LS and FC are pretty sick of it now that they're close to 50.

I wanna stay believing but I didn't have much monk or bard gear going into this patch so it'll be a bit.
 
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