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Final Fantasy XIV |OT6| Casino Royale
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Meh. I just don't think it's worth it at this point to add poison pots in use for T12. Like, we can get it without them so adding them now doesn't seem worth it. Now, if the argument is for T13 and beyond that's another matter.
Again, what's the point of adding them in use right now for T12? We got to sub-2k HP left with dropped GCDs left and right. We'll get the kill the next time we go in. Adding poison pots to T12 use isn't worth the learning curve at this point.
If we want to argue about the future use of them, that's another matter entirely. But for T12 where we can get the proper DPS numbers needed otherwise? It's unnecessary.
Man, if only we could use some of that infinite time all the time.
Aren't you the BLM without Quelling who discovered last week that they're going to have to hold DPS to prevent ripping something off the tank? Have Quelling now?
If they got it to .02% without poison pots and didn't wipe a perfect run due to hitting enrage, I'm not understanding why the zealotry insisting they should change shit up on a functioning strategy?
Like, I get the suggestion because more DPS is great, but I don't get the dedication to the point.
The infinite time needed to right click the market board or the infinite time needed to click the button in your rotation every few minutes? I'm confused what you're trying to argue here.
If you want a legitimate argument against using a poison pot then here it is.
You might get caught in an AoE using it and its too risky or your positioning doesn't really allow it. That's about it.
Other than that it's all smoke. Or they're poor. Whatever.
Not saying everyone should or shouldn't but laid out that's all that makes sense when rallying against its use.
You might get caught in an AoE using it and its too risky or your positioning doesn't really allow it. That's about it.
Other than that it's all smoke. Or they're poor. Whatever.
Not saying everyone should or shouldn't but laid out that's all that makes sense when rallying against its use.
Aren't you the BRD that made a big deal about leaving and then didn't for reasons and just did a weird name change instead?
Yeah, I don't have quelling, that actually takes time and effort unlike what I'm proposing to their group. I was also 100% on board knocking it out once it was needed but we found a better strat anyway.
Edit: to the above, there are at least 3 people in their group that can't make that claim.
I don't think I've specifically mentioned T12 in my posts at all. I'm arguing for the use of poison potions in a general sense in a situation where it could be the difference in pushing a phase faster or getting a clear sooner because of the extra room for error it provides. The only counterarguments I see involve laziness or stubbornness.
Is this lack of raiding making you extra salty for some reason?
Let's be real here, it's not going to realistically push a phase faster. It accounts for roughly .5% of T12's HP and that's not even factoring ~25% of them are in the add phase. It's free damage and if available might as well use them but it's not this great pushing force that people are trying to push.
Be realistic on the damage that they do. It's free damage but not a whole lot of free damage. If I clip one DoT improperly that accounts for almost as much damage.
Yep.
It's just odd to see someone without a basic utility cross class skill they find unnecessary getting so assertive about what other groups should and should not find unnecessary. People do shit differently
I'm not arguing anything, it's an old joke and has nothing to do with the poison pot argument.
If you want real truthfacts it is probably a pride thing, yes.
the poor thing would only apply to about 3-4 members of the group, who sometimes go broke from teleport costs
git it?
I am really confused as to why it's such a big deal to some people though. You'd think it was a personal offense after how FC chat reacted last night when we said we didn't use them. Only person with legitimate stake in this is clearly studyguy.
I doubt clipping one DoT improperly by one tick is the same as eight people using one poison potion each. I would say this argument is similar to the very small differences in some gear in the game with the same ilvl, but different secondary stats. People get argumentative that one piece of gear is trash over the other, yet the difference in dps output in those two pieces of gear is what, a poison potion?
Of course it is but that doesn't really change what I'm saying.
Also where are these numbers coming from? What is .5% of T12s health? A single pot? 10 pots? Ok, 3 people should be using those pots literally on CD. The rest of you might be able to sneak one in and if you do specifically then you get to double its effect. That's a lot of pots over the course of a full fight. I don't know T12 and I won't pretend that I do but I can say that I have seen personally that half a % can be the difference between pushing electro charge before or after a critical rip in 10 or pushing adds before or after a seed of river/sea combo in 11.
I don't even think he's on Ultros to profit from us anyway!
I should've clarified that it's equal to just my poison pots used, not everyone.
The DPS difference of 18 Determ (what is what most my pentameld i110 gave me) is roughly 1.6 DPS or so by itself? Which is a lot greater than myself using poison pots I believe.
Again, I don't really have a problem with or without using them. I just find the zealotry kind of funny, I guess?
Roughly the amount of damage using them on cooldown across the fight from the Tanks/Healers. 1k per cooldown and around 7 total uses? So actually a little higher than 0.5% (or not since some are lost in the add phase). If literally everyone uses them on CD, it's a bit closer to 1%. Which on one-hand isn't that great but it's still like an LB1 or so in damage "for free."
Is it something worth using? Probably, why not. "Free" is free. Is it crucial? Not really. Is it worth the kind of insults thrown around for it? lolwut.
At least he never died thanks to it! Upside in all things.
i110 crafted pants versus i110 soldiery pants? Of course, that would be a huge difference due to increase in total amount of stats on the piece. I was talking about a comparison like augmented ironworks versus dreadwyrm for some slots where people are being ridiculed for buying an ironworks piece.
And in terms of actual damage, a complete party of eight people using one potent poison potion each is 2000 damage. 2000 damage can be a phase push early on.
We just have scholar DPS to push into electro charge which is way cheaper for me!
I won't quote your longer post for the sake of this poor page but I'll appreciate that you did at least call it a pride issue. The only reason I can't feel justified in comparing it to T9 is because groups needed to have it down to even be in T10 at launch. I don't know, at the end of the day, I think it's a silly argument when that simple addition would be the difference of having more T13 practice or not, worse yet if by some bad luck you lose out of the T12 clear this week.
I'll also apologize for making an assumption on that infinite time remark. Thought somehow it was addressed to me.
Just another one of those mumble folk, nothing to get excited about.
J/k I love you guys, carry me through T9 sometime
Depends on the Ironworks piece, honestly. Like, perfect pentameld i110 Bard coat vs i120 Ironworks is like a ~7 DEX difference in favor of the the crafted coat after converting Crit/Det etc.
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While it "can" be, it isn't in this case. Which may vary from group to group etc. etc. For us, it isn't going to do anything early on in T12.
Like I said, though, if it comes to being necessary for T13, I don't even care if I have to use them. I just found the whole clamor stemming from the low-HP T12 wipe to be funny / weird.
Man, just ignore that bad troll. Even worse, he edits in his insults after I've already read past his post so he does me the favor of filtering himself out anyway.
Why sprint when I can Holmgang and stun lock?
Besides, if your capturing bases it probably isn't a good idea to run out too far from the base in question. I believe that you get more points for fighting on a base, and running too far from the rest of your group tends to lead you into little ambushes in my experience.
Basically, if someone starts sprinting away, and I can't stun or bind them, I'll usually just switch targets to a player that isn't running. If they're all sprinting, I'll make certain the base is secure, hop on a mount, catch up and dismount before I'm in ranged distance.
ROBOKITTYZILLA
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Healers must love fighting you.
That was an insult? Man, you guys are more sensitive than Nuadha lol.
Uh... Huh..
Ok Nuadha Jinkuen.
See, it depends. "Lol if you had poison pots would've gotten the kill" is pretty much what's expected. Hell, I think one of us even made that comment ourselves when we wiped and checked the damage we were short.
But the whole crusade after that is lolwut. We don't use them and generally our low HP wipes aren't really damage-gated and more "we fucked up"-gated. If we were pushing the extremes of our DPS and failing checks or something, sure, that makes perfect sense. But it's just strangely aggressive on the "USE POTS" when the root of the problem is as simple as "DPS can't miss 30 seconds on the boss again."
I'm pretty sure calling us all lazy and stubborn is a lot worse than joking about your connection issues.
Poison Pots aren't worth an argument. Not now, not ever. Everyone has been backseat raiding, and it isn't warranted or needed. That's my two cents on the matter.
If you're gonna get technical about dex differences, the Auroral Tabard is > the pentamelded Kirimu coat. I doubt anyone would actually rather use the Tabard over the Coat if the coat was available to them pentamelded. Mostly because of dat acc.
True. But then you're missing 41 Accuracy :x
But, yeah, raw DPS stat value is Tabard > 36 Crit / 26 Det coat.
That's the thing though. It allows those few extra mistakes. In this case right here you would have still gotten the clear with the DPS missing 30 seconds on the boss. That is a huge screw up that it remedied by a simple fix.
And I believe I caled you lazy and prideful and the prideful came from badrng before I even said it. The lazy is still fair too because between the 8 of you, I find it very hard to believe that you couldn't make poison pots for everyone for free. Gil just makes it all more convenient but it's not needed.
I think I vomited a bit.
I am not even talking about your T12 situation. Potent poison potions will probably help a few GAF groups avoid a Nerve Gas or Seed of the ____ before the add phase in T11, or a second Critical Rip in T10 before first set of adds.
Regarding the lazy comment, Krael was the one who brought up and admitted to being lazy.
Gimme. I'll give you 500k for it. That seems fair.
Yeah, which is why I edited in "dat acc" to the end, because it's always dicey to compare accuracy loaded gear. They have dem hidden benefits for deeps. It's a bit sad to see that pentamelded coat is almost the same as the Augmented Ironworks Chest. Very disappointing, but not wholly unexpected. Dex 2 stronk.
Justifying an insult doesn't make it less insulting, Asami-kun.
I lol'd a little.
Psh, I don't need no PEDs, son. Shit's weak. WEAK.
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It's funny b/c you guys are the kings of 1%
Re-reading, yeah, he did say both so fuck me for being dumb.
Honestly, it's not even a real lazy complaint (or maybe it is, maybe we're all secretly lazier than I thought). Just a non-issue so not done. If it becomes an issue, it will be done. That's pretty much it, really.
If we're discussing poison pots for everyone, sure, they can definitely be something if things are that tight. Though, honestly, if they're that tight there's also probably just some strict rotational / priority things to be fixed too but ... whatever I guess :x
Off-hand, the pentamelded Kirimu is better than the Augmented still by ~2 DEX. That Skill Speed.
Of course, that's also like a 15M pentameld but still.
Your character's slender physique seems to indicate something else.
It's almost time for another FC purge...
maple so mean D:
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