Actually was Binari Sonari
Final Fantasy XV Demo Previews/Impressions Thread
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Actually was Binari Sonari
Dark_castle
Junior Member
By pretty decent, you mean terrible?
He's annoying in any language.
Stone Ocean
Member
He doesn't want a bath, he wants a BWOTH
I'm glad I'm not alone in thinking that. I'm hoping it has an epic linear storyline but with lots of side content as opposed to just being modeled after your typical western open world 'checklist' game.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
TABATHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-
It's clearly going to be a roadside, kill monsters with your bros game with no story.
I would not include FF9 in the list of good Square localizations.
In fact I would say FF8 is the best of their PS era localizations by a good margin.
SEA doesn't handle it though. They have an in-house team in Japan that calls the shots.
Contrary to popular belief posh people don't sound like that. This sounds like an approximation and consequently is forcing the vowels far too much (for starters).
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
They just hating on my boy's hygiene.
Yea I won't be playing EN version.
Hibiki Kurosawa
Member
Well then.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Heh...Tabatha, I like it.
But yeah, I think the idea of Ignis having a British like accent is fine, and it was also justified by him originating from a foreign land, but it felt forced. The idea of Noctis having a deep voice is fine too. I always picture him to have a low-pitched voice because of the vibe he gave me since the original Versus XIII trailer, but sometimes it was too deep and uncanny to his appearance. Gladiolus is pretty standard I think, and Prompto reminds me of Krillin at times, that was good but he need to learn to speak less and certain lines like drifting...into the deep end sounds bad. I prefer his English voice to his Japanese counterpart.
But yeah, I think the idea of Ignis having a British like accent is fine, and it was also justified by him originating from a foreign land, but it felt forced. The idea of Noctis having a deep voice is fine too. I always picture him to have a low-pitched voice because of the vibe he gave me since the original Versus XIII trailer, but sometimes it was too deep and uncanny to his appearance. Gladiolus is pretty standard I think, and Prompto reminds me of Krillin at times, that was good but he need to learn to speak less and certain lines like drifting...into the deep end sounds bad. I prefer his English voice to his Japanese counterpart.
DarkConfidant
Member
I'm actually excited about this, after reading some of the more in depth playthroughs.
This series make me happy when they try new things.
Voice acting seems better than FFX, but still not on the "good for a non-English game" pedestal that I put FFXII on.
I'm sure framerate will get fixed. FF games usually never have technical issues.
This series make me happy when they try new things.
Voice acting seems better than FFX, but still not on the "good for a non-English game" pedestal that I put FFXII on.
I'm sure framerate will get fixed. FF games usually never have technical issues.
They'll just keep delaying it until they're fixed.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Alexander O'Smith gone wrong. But at least there was no voice acting in FFVIII. He was involved in FFX too, but I assume he only manage the script and not voice direction, otherwise it wouldn't make sense.
God that "I want to take a break!" line from Dengeki video was horrible.
Stone Ocean
Member
It's hard to top monotone "Whoa! That's its face!"
SoraanTribal
Member
Yeah, I don't really care much to use Amarant or Quina - I don't care about their characters in the story either. I like Freya as a character, but I still never used her that much.
And I agree, I'll miss that about XV, too.
That's great to hear.
I'll probably end up using both.How is that a localization thing and not a writing thing?
You wanted them to change the script to make Squall talk more? How would that be good localization?
Yea I personally hated "I want to take a break!" line more than "Whoa! That's its face!" I didn't know it would be possible lol.
Let's make some noise then
I usually cringe when people make petitions or complain to devs in a childishly entitled way but in this case I think it'd be nice to give them some constructive feedback about the localization through whatever official channel they'll set up after the demo. It's not impossible to rewrite some line so they sound like something an actual person would say in English. They put so much effort in every aspect of the game, it would be a shame if the VA wasn't up to the rest.If you read some interviews with voice actors you'll see that often times they and even the American voice directors have no clear communication with the Japanese departments and no native-speaking supervisor who would understand their issues with the script.
Just found a 37min interview with Jack Fletcher who was the voice and casting director of FF: The Spirits Within, FFX, FFX-2 and FFXIII. Will listen to it later, maybe it gives some insight.
http://www.bungieunion.com/podcasts/finalfantasyunion/FF_Union_Interview_Jack_Fletcher.mp3
That's an issue with localization. You not only need to have a handle on creating a grammatically correct equivalent, because for the most part FF8 is grammatically correct. But you also need to be contextually accurate. A lot of FF8 phrases got shortcut and effectively changed the context of certain statements.
Refer to above.
Vincent Grayson
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Icyflamez96
Member
Yeah these types of characters ALWAYS have a hate train on them while I tend to enjoy them, personaly. I can see why people find them annoying though.
The voices in both English and Japanese are still eh imo but I'm looking forward to his character overall.
MultiJhonny
Banned
I am not the biggest fan of the English VO but I have kinda gotten used to it. It isn't as jarring as it was when I first heard it. But with that said I would love for it to be improved. I just hope they ship the full game with dual audio. Even if they improve the English VO I will still play with the Japanese voices.
VitaminCaim
Neo Member
Doesn't Episode Duscae and Type-0 HD have dual audio?
I think FFXV will have it. One can dream.
I think FFXV will have it. One can dream.
But that's entirely not the point of his character.
"Whatever" made him a douchebag when he wasn't.
Not counting that it wasn't just used to cover an equivalent phrase but also cut out entire sentences when he said things that had actual meaning.
Yes the demo does. The full game probably will too even if they have to offer it as a download extra.
Vincent Grayson
Member
Type-0 does. I don't recall seeing anything saying that Episode Duscae does though.
It does, but they've yet to commit to doing FFXV dual audio. There are disc space concerns as Bluray isn't as big as it used to be.(for reference the PC version of FFXIII with English and Japanese is 60GB, well over the dual layer Bluray limit)
They might be able to do it as DLC. Though I wonder if MS and Sony would host free DLC for a third party company that would be roughly 20GB.
Episode Duscae will have dual audio. It was confirmed quite a while ago.
The Last One
Member
The thing I'm worried about dual audio is if they'll make lip sync for both languages. Is this the case of the demo?
Squall said two things in Japanese which were always translated to "whatever". The first was "betsu ni" which is basically just the Japanese equivalent of whatever. The second was "warukatta na" which is like a dismissive, sarcastic "sorry". I'm not really sure how you'd convey that kind of meaning with only text, so I'd say whatever fits well there as well.
I don't think FF8's localization did that much at all.
FF9's localization was the absolute worst at the bolded. Well maybe that's a bit of an exaggeration but it didn't do a good job at that by any means.
In the final game they are doing lip sync. And yes that also means having two versions of every FMV. They did the same for FFXIII and it added another 20GB to the game(to the PC version that is).
The Last One
Member
Final Fantasy twitter just confirmed that is already possible to preorder Type 0 from PSn.
I doubt it for the demo considering how much is unfinished but I am pretty sure I remember FFXIII being lip-synced to English. I'm sure the final version of FFXV will too.
Stone Ocean
Member
It wasn't just those two phrases that it was used for. They're just the most frequent replacements and for the most part those are acceptable equivalents. But it was used in place of other statements as well.
In solidarity a lot of the changes are pretty minute, but they build over time. Some of zell's stuff is also pretty egregious, but most of that's optional so it's not as bad.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
I'm just talking about of my ass, but I feel Alexander takes a lot of liberty in his translations, and that sometimes works, sometimes not. In the case of FFVIII, Alex (I assume he was in charge of) felt that Squall is more of a guy with little words and therefore eliminating whatever little dialogue lines are left of Squall. This gave him an even more emo vibe than he deserved. In FFX, I believe Yuna said
to Tidus at the end, but Alex changed it to
because he felt that it was a right moment for Yuna to say that. That worked. I don't know about the differences of Jap and Eng version of FFXII, so I can't say much about it.
Problem with XIII in voice direction is that I think they tried to copy Japanese's quirks in their acting and talking and convert them into English, which is why some lines are particularly off. This is where a translator like Alex can make it work, because he kinda knows how to take liberty in the script and voice directing and make them sound like true native/non-native English speakers instead of Japanese folks speaking in western slang.
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Problem with XIII in voice direction is that I think they tried to copy Japanese's quirks in their acting and talking and convert them into English, which is why some lines are particularly off. This is where a translator like Alex can make it work, because he kinda knows how to take liberty in the script and voice directing and make them sound like true native/non-native English speakers instead of Japanese folks speaking in western slang.
The Last One
Member
Yeah, that's what made the game huge in the PC version.
Oh yeah, every Final Fantasy got the english lip sync. But my concern was because the XV will probably be dual audio so I was worried that they'd make only one lip sync avaliable based on the game's region.
Not US yet? I guess it'll be when th e psstore update later today.
It's avaliable for preorder on Xbox Live too.
Zoe
Member
Except sometimes he was sincerely saying "sorry". Translating it properly would have gotten the right meaning while still allowing for sarcasm when it was supposed to be taken that way.
Aside from the "whatever" issue, they completely ignored Selphie's Osaka accent and butchered the space scene.
Oh, don't get me wrong. 8's a very decent localization. It's just I felt that localization strength didn't become a definitively consistent thing for SE until after it. It's a very significant step above what atlus does with the persona series, though honestly most of atlus' work is a significant step above what they do for the persona series...
oh man, I forgot about that, yeah that was... yeah
Like I said I don't know how they would have conveyed that sarcasm with only text. Voice acting actually would have helped out in that case.
You're right I completely forgot about the space scene. There was also the big changes made to Ultimecia's two major speeches, but 9 ruined Necron's speech at the end too, so I guess they just have a general problem with final boss speeches. As for Selphie I don't know I'm not a huge fan of the whole US southern accent for Osaka thing, at least not in text. They tried it with Cait Sith in VII and it just ended up being awkward and inconsistent.
I don't think 8's was perfect but I think on the whole it was better than 9's. 9 in Japanese was really verbose sometimes and its localization seemed to be fixated on making everything as concise as possible, which was to its detriment in my opinion. Lots of little details left out and some things changed outright.
Stone Ocean
Member
Oh, good to hear. The thing that made the english VA look weirder was the lack of lip sync in the trailers