I know about the enemies at night, but thought that there would be stronger ones coming out if you ignore camping too often; oh well.
Final Fantasy XV Demo Previews/Impressions Thread
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I know about the enemies at night, but thought that there would be stronger ones coming out if you ignore camping too often; oh well.
I'll have to check that video out.
I thought you only level up by camping. If you ignore camps you stay Lv 1 forever? Can't imagine it's possible to beat the game that way. Am I missing something?
Yes.
You also get the buffs for eating food while camping. The buffs in this game is quite significant.
Seven Force
Banned
That's pretty much it, yeah. IIRC, FFV, VIII, and IX can all be beaten with a level 1 party.
Though being more of an action RPG, I imagine the challenge it would pose would be a little more similar to the Level 1 challenges found in the last few Kingdom Hearts games.
So enemies basically scale to your level, huh? That would totally negate the negative effect of losing XP when you die since the enemies get weaker at the same time, though...
Maybe you miss out on unlocking cool abilities if you don't camp and it gets harder because you have to rely on basic attacks and so on.
I guess we'll see.
Mentions tactical camera ala Dragon Age to give light commands to your team... first I heard of that.
No I doubt it.
It's probably like type-0
you just have to be really good or die like a roach.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
That, I don't know. Guess she was referring to the pause menu, using items on party members and chaining co-op combo. Strangely enough, there was this guy on Youtube who played the game at PAX East and had an interview with Tabata said there was indeed a Gambit-like system that lets us configure party actions to some extent.
Or maybe he and Tabata was referring to the final game and not the demo, who knows.
Should mention that lv1 runs aren't exactly new to Nomura-directed games either.
Tabata wasn't at PAX East?
Tabata wasn't at PAX East?
They never said the enemies scale to your level.
Tabata wasn't at PAX East. He said he had to attend to his daughter's graduation.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Not sure, I think he wasn't, but the guy did have an interview with him somewhere else shown on the video itself.
No, I meant the interview suggests this was likely in Europe as part of the media blowout. As I understand it, EU folks had a preview earlier last week, while NA folks had a hands-on at PAX itself, In both cases embargo was till Saturday, which was when the PAX East panel was live.
How else can it be possible, then? At some point enemies will one shot you as a Lv 1 if the enemies don't scale. Are you suggesting people will have to perfectly evade every single enemy in the game to complete it like that? Won't you also do less and less damage to higher level enemies until they simply resist any damage done to them?
Yes.
Lvl 1 thing is possible because this is action-based combat.
Do you realize that you can beat Kingdom Hearts games at level 1?
That's why I asked. It just seems weird that enemies get stronger and stronger until your defense stats are basically worth nothing, yet you will still be able to damage them enough to beat them with the same lousy strength stat. Hell, how will you even hit anything with starting accuracy stats? Is there no RPG element to the battle system?
Complex game subsystems rarely ever scale linearly like that. I mean, if you want your game to be complete-able at level one, you'd obviously have the formulas make it possible.
You design around goals, not set goals around design. Game planners aren't a bunch of clowns juggling arbitrary numbers and formulas and seeing what serendipitously comes out of it.
You design around goals, not set goals around design. Game planners aren't a bunch of clowns juggling arbitrary numbers and formulas and seeing what serendipitously comes out of it.
unless we're talking about skyrim lol
I think that in this case, in later parts of the game every hit would take something like 15 HP against enemies who have 100000 HP
And every hit of them would almost kill you
Vincent Grayson
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I doubt most of these games are built to be completed at level 1, or with that in mind at all. It's just that players (especially with older titles) have learned the games inside and out, and found just the right things to use/exploit/avoid in order to make a low level run possible.
I doubt the game will have accuracy stats. Playing as level 1 is just giving players an option to do that. It is probably for people who wants to challenge themselves and are extremely confident in the battle.
Kingdom Hearts is a franchise where lv1 runs got better and better tuned as the series progressed. Heck, disabling XP gain has become a staple feature.
I'm not saying it's the case in every situation, but there certainly is a precedent here.
Whelp... Well, if someone wants that kind of a challenge, it's good that it is technically possible I guess.
I guess I had the wrong impression then. I thought the mix between action and rpg was leaning towards the rpg side a little more. Good to know!
I finished FFIX without levelling up and enemies didn't scale in it either iirc. Not a big problem.
Do you mean you specifically avoided encounters or you just didn't grind? Because I didn't actively avoid encounters and I still had trouble with some bosses back in the days. Since the battle system was turn based there's no real way to avoid enemy damage.
I always wondered how people do that. What's the main "trick"/exploit? How do you avoid being one-hit killed by bosses?
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Auto-life? xD
LegendofDragoonLives
Member
The camping leveling up idea is absolutely brilliant. :') Man, this game is sounding more and more incredible. Back to knowing as little as I know about the game.
Stone Ocean
Member
Status effects plus Limit Glove, Thievery and Dragon's Crest. Basically blind/silence/poison everything and hope for the best until you get Quina
Lifejumper
Member
I wonder if the demo will still run on Luminous 1.5, since they rushed the demo release.
Pretty much. Boss fights give ap but no exp. It's a bit difficult and I died a lot but satisfaction guaranteed. XD
I did the same for FFVIII but turned out it works in your favour.
There are numerous playthroughs on Youtube if anyone wants to look.
The Last One
Member
So there's a way to finish FF IX at LVL 1? Cause that's seens really annoying, I mean, if you avoid encounters you can't even learn the skills and magics.
Stone Ocean
Member
You don't need most skills, just the stuff that works regardless of your level and equipment.
Vivi sucks anyways
The Last One
Member
Guess the best party for this is Zidane, Steiner, freya and garnet?
Dark_castle
Junior Member
What are the chances they will revise the script pertaining to the banter and voice direction upon feedback on the demo? It seems like they're quite questionable at the moment, fairly repetitive in terms of random chit chat but we do know the final game is still quite some time away, so perhaps things may change and improve for the better.
Stone Ocean
Member
Zidane, Freya, Quina and Eiko
Garnet is useless regardless of what kind of playthrough you're doing lol
The Last One
Member
Oh right, quina because of the blue magic. Right? And why Eiko and not garnet? Because of the eidolon Phoenix?
This is one of the few things were I really hope they'll get enough negative feedback, as this has little to do with trying to diminsh their artistic vision and more with making them aware of how incompetent the localization is which they're most likely are simply ignorant of. Does anybody know a bit about their internal translation/localization team?
The repetition thing is probably because of time and budget constraints for this demo and they might do the VA for the final game later on.
I always wonder why they don't have like, three times the amount of dialogue than what they have right now. Don't they realize how repetitive some of this stuff is sometimes?
Stone Ocean
Member
Better abilities, spells, Phoenix and you can power her up without directly leveling her by leveling Marcus.
Eiko is just superior to Garnet in every way. Garnet has Scan. Whoopdeedoo
I love Vivi so it pains me to say that black magic sucks in that game
Garnet fans on the other hand have no mercy from me. Replaying the game recently has kindled my hatred for her whiny ass. Fuck disc 3 and the whole mute part, fuck itttttttttttt
The Last One
Member
I love the part she was muted, it was really creative =p but yeah, annoying as well.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Should have just hired Kajiya Productions with Alexander O.Smith and Joseph Reeder as localization team. They don't even have to look that far, these guys have worked multiple times with them in the past and they're done great stuff, including XII.
Wow, so now I know who to blame for bosses not giving exp! It's those damn Lv 1 scubs!
No seriously, if that is actually the reasons behind this then that's pretty neat! TIL and all that.
I'm sure they don't have the full script voiced in English, yet. This is probably just placeholder banter or at least only a fraction of what will be in the whole game.
Garnet's issue is she's more geared towards Summons tan Whit Magic whereas Eiko is geared to white magic.
The issue is that Summons for the most part in every FF are just big spells and other characters do spells better, with shorter cast times, more varied abilities and relatively the same damage output.
I don't agree with Stone Ocean about her being Whiny tho. Dagger Hot fire.
The issue is that Summons for the most part in every FF are just big spells and other characters do spells better, with shorter cast times, more varied abilities and relatively the same damage output.
I don't agree with Stone Ocean about her being Whiny tho. Dagger Hot fire.
Stone Ocean
Member
It's great until you have to actually use her in battle when you get split up
Need some healing magic so those bloody thunder cats don't kill you? Too bad, Garnet used Splash and it wasn't effective
That I indeed do.
crazygambit
Member
And as far as I remember they rely heavily on items to do all the damage. And I'm thinking you go through Phoenix Downs like crazy.