This is a pretty dumb comment considering warping in the trailer was relegated to enemies and set points like vertices on ledges or some type of pole - just like the final game.
Because the consoles it was targeted for didn't have the juice to provide it. That has changed now.
In FF15, no. In Uncharted 4, Spider-Man, even fucking Prototype on the PS3, and many others, we have seen setpieves that touch on that to some degree.
God of War 3 does not offer that sense of scale in the actual moment-moment gameplay. The boss battles against the likes of Poseidon are all visual spectacle, zero mechanical complexity.
It's easy to be reductive, but the animation systems actually add a lot of mechanical and strategic dynamism to combat encounters. The dodge mechanic introduces timing and enemy pushback challenges that a lot of games can't manage without being and/or feeling totally cheap. Pushing enemies up against walls has its own animation thay looks and feels smooth, transitions you to a state where you can kill an enemy a lot faster without direct pushback, all while possibly opens you up to attacks from other enemy characters in your surroundings.
No, this game does not need it.
You're still just talking about animations rather than actual game play. The animations are amazing, but they don't add 'mechanical and strategic dynamism to combat encounters' or whatever. The gameplay would be the same even if Ellie was just t-posing the whole time.
There is no way to have the depth of options within the small time frames that action games provide. No modern action game has provided the engagement that persona 5 has.
Agree to disagree, i played that game 2 times on grounded for an amount of more than 50 hours and it was even my goty for that year, but none of what you say is new or nextgen, good animations are just that, good animations.
Turn based is meant to emulate board games. It was not designed solely to deal with hardware limitations.
And why do you think that happened? For some is clear why, for others not so much.
Fair enough. I'll only make 2 more points, not to persuade you, but to justify my statements.
This is why I disagree about your entire premise for this thread, for me TLOU is not "next gen" or "cut above all else" not even close.
For me I enjoyed games like RE4 and Vanquish waaaaaaaay more I ever did with TLOU series, they are just more enjoyable game.
Yeah, I know you've got a stick up your ass about that.
Animation quality isn't gameplay.
Literally on the same page.
There are a lot of things in that post about the impact of animation on gameplay that are questionable, but fine, whatever.
We are talking about game with highly fast paced combat compare to stealth based shooter. They are VASTlY different game from each other, in fast action combat like FFXVI, precision and responsiveness is more important than detail animation while game like TLOU is slower paced and is not trying be over the top, so it has more realistic animation.
What you seem not to be getting it is that I'm not saying this game, or any FF should change to fit into a TLOU mold. TLOU is an example of what I think the foundations of higher tier combat are - applied in the context of a grounded action/adventure TPS; but an example nonetheless. You don't even have to agree that it's the best (I notice you think that RE4 and Vanquish more enjoyable) but you cannot sit there and say that the combat doesn't take level design, positioning, spacing, and enemy design into account.
have you played Dragons Dogma? with 2nd game coming out maybe that exactly the game you are looking for.
more like your personal preferences of what "next gen gameplay" is
Dragon's Dogma 2 looks fine in terms of visuals, but it doesn't look much like they've really broadened or deepened the scope of combat.
Did you see anything there that looked mechanically ambitious?
I mean you said wanted more interacting between the player and enemies and in Dragon Dogma you literally can climb on big enemies while fighting them.
Except no one know what exactly you mean by "ambitious". I mean you want destructible environments you can play Red Faction: Guerrilla.
what i see is someone has his own personal 'ideal preferences' over certain type of gameplay.
I mean let’s look at in practical way, according to him….
Now in Dragons Dogma you have other characters also fighting using spells and each those spells also causing destruction in environments, now think about all them fighting together at once. It becomes visuals mess of derby and destruction everywhere.
yep. like my first reply on this post previously, his idea also based on a vertical slice gameplay of non existance version of video game. i get there is people expecting for some crazy innovative unthinkable of novel idea gameplay design formula(which is he also doesnt has an idea of what it is could be). but in the end practical matters. pretty sure developers would like become very very ambitious but in the end the final build they released is something resulted from countless of testing and reasoning of game design. im not suprise one of reason why devs ditched lot of stuff in FFXV reveal trailer is due to they cant prepare proper gameplay element to accomodate the system. for example that noctics warp around airship. to do that they need tons of high vertical area and tons of flying enemy. but in the end the game didnt have those things. open world just flat barren. Insomnia remain locked hidden in game. so not suprise they ditched it rather than put something half assed(the game end up half assed anyway). pretty sure they tried lot of things especially during pre production phase. in the end balance need to be achieved. there is no all rounder gameplay design that excel of everything and everything has a cost to develop for. there always pro and cons and there is advantages of focusing on certain aspect only. for FF16 it is clear they aimed for DMC-ish flashy sword combat fight. why there is people suddenly expected for a stealth gameplay lol? by this logic we should also ask for 3rd person shooter element too.
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I dont mind FF goes for more action combat as long as they sill make games like Octopath, I would be sad if SE stopes making turn based all together.
I wasn't following closely on how what is in the new FF, but I saw someone posting something and I found it suspicious to be true:
IS the PC version worth it? I played it long ago on xbox but I got bored really after a couple of hours.
this is a huge factor.
this is an interesting aspect. i forget how FF was a "menu selection game" some people played it for the story alone. and "action" games were not their thing.