MrToughPants
Brian Burke punched my mom
Fuck does my knee hurt.
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Fitness |OT6| Defying gravity, Quest madness, and Muscle Shaming
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CoachKevin
Member
You guys have any nutrition questions for John Berardi from Precision Nutrition? He is coming back on The FitCast for episode 292.
HisshouBuraiKen
Member
Saw this posted on Lyle McDonald's forum today, thought it was pretty great
Nah bro bro, my gym coach trainer friend told me if I don't get exactly 25g of protein post workout I will lose all my gains and he curls 90s so I trust him over you.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Well definitely lost at least squat strength while taking a week off. I think a little bit of a loss is normal from a week of complete inactivity though. 435lbs went up fine but got crushed with 455lbs. Also my work capacity was complete shit. Shouldn't take too long to come back though.
Awwww yeah!
Awwww yeah!
In my opinion, people should post in that thread showing "life to date" progress pics
if the thread is about how a portion of Gaf has been cutting in the last 3 or 4 months, I don't think it will be that succesful, because that is way too specific
but if people post a pic of from their starting points and then a current "summer 2014" pic, i think it will be an awesome thread.
Imagine all those people who went from fat to lean, skinny to muscled, etc, that would be very inclusive and above all, very insipirational.
and I am pretty sure you could participate too
but it's up to cooter, it's his thread.
Sounds great to me. I'll move it away from strictly a cut thread to a, "FitGaf displays its hard work and progress," thread.
Arrowgigantic
Member
So the only place squats bother me is my groin. But it always bothers me. It's not affecting my progression at all, I just never have squat sets where my groin doesn't hurt. It's not DOMS, and it's only at the top of the muscle so I guess it's some sort of ligament thing, but it's not noticeably sore at rest.
I stretch it before my empty bar warmups and again before the work sets.
It's not getting any worse, but it's not getting any better either. Anybody have anything like that? All I'm doing with it is icing it in the afternoon and using a vibrating massager on it at night.
I stretch it before my empty bar warmups and again before the work sets.
It's not getting any worse, but it's not getting any better either. Anybody have anything like that? All I'm doing with it is icing it in the afternoon and using a vibrating massager on it at night.
God Dayumm
Banned
I felt that 2 years ago and stopped squats cold turkey. Only now am I integrating them again with a better form thanks to strong-gaf recommendations, but I seriously thought I got an hernia
Possible hernia without more information. Look into that. Also possible hip bursitis or hip flexor tendinitis. Take two weeks off lower body movements, do the ibuprofen regime, and when you ease back into squats start light with perfect form that doesn't let your knees slide forward at all in the hole. Also warm up a lot.
toddhunter
Member
Can I ask what you do for 5 reps?
I've been doing 3x5 and then try 1-2 reps at a higher weight. Right now my 3x5 is 195lbs.
toddhunter
Member
Cool, I'm a bit behind you at 187 (or whatever the kgs work out to). I haven't tried a 1-2 rep so I've been wondering what sort of weight I should try.
FallingEdge
Member
Deadlifts
4x4 @ 365
1x2 @ 420
1x2 @ 470
1x8 @ 365
I am beat and dead tired. Looking forward to that time off.
4x4 @ 365
1x2 @ 420
1x2 @ 470
1x8 @ 365
I am beat and dead tired. Looking forward to that time off.
MrToughPants
Brian Burke punched my mom
I love arguing with fitness scrubs who can't be reasoned with. Talking to this girl who pays ~$200/month for an "elite" fitness trainer to plan her meals and programming which is pretty much circuit training garbage. She argues that he and his IFBB wife have trained people into contest winners, I'm sure they were natural, and she also pays $500/month on supps. I offer my opinion; the idea that you can obtain free info online for training and dieting. "This will help you reach your goals and save you hundreds of dollars, time and shit programming"...I got shit on.
I said her glutes needed some work... because she had some pancake ass going on. Told her some squats would fix that. Lulu lemons are so misleading when they come off...
Swole Meast (Man Beast)
I said her glutes needed some work... because she had some pancake ass going on. Told her some squats would fix that. Lulu lemons are so misleading when they come off...
Swole Meast (Man Beast)
Looks fun. I'm stealing it. Will try tomorrow!
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Sorry, but is this the correct thread for losing weight question? Because I have an impression from a quick glance that this thread is for a more intense muscle-building folks.
Ahhh, sorry if here is the wrong place to ask.
Ahhh, sorry if here is the wrong place to ask.
Psychotext
Member
I've been subscribed to Precision Nutrition's feed for a while now. I really like how they do things.
Unrelated to that, turns out I did tweak my back.
Actually one of the most efficient ways to lose weight is to lift heavy stuff, so I guess you are in the right thread.
velociraptor
Junior Member
Just saw the video. Holy shit. Elliot has his head so far up his ass. I've lost a ton of respect for that guy.
Still, it was an entertaining 20 minutes. Elliot's original video itself is comedic enough!
Moral Panic
Member
not right now, but after workout yesterday, yes, If I did that, I'd feel pain.
why? am I screwed for life?
EDIT: Actually, the discomfort is more noticeable if I move my fist exactly the opposite way, upwards
It's a test for De Quervain syndrome, which is a repetitive strain injury. I'd stop lifting for a bit and see a doctor just to be sure.
The thread definitely does lean that way, but it is still absolutely intended for general fitness, so ask away!
This is true too.
Zoe
Member
That's news to me.
RumblingRosco
Member
Weight training really is very effective for fat reduction, especially coupled with a good eating plan (I hesitate to use the word "diet" due to most people thinking of a diet as a short-term thing). 2-3 days a week of weight training, maybe some short-duration cardio (think high-intensity for 10-15 minutes once or twice a week), and healthy lifestyle choices (eating well, resting, etc) will generally lead to a good body composition.
FallingEdge
Member
lol getting there dood
If interested here is the program I am running. Magnusson-Ortmayer Deadlift Routine. There is a link to more details and a spreadsheet. Prolly not the greatest idea to do at a deficit but interested to see how far I can get. I take a long time too. 45 minutes or so to complete everything. Body is sore the next day but it is a good feeling.
FallingEdge
Member
breakfast of champions
RumblingRosco
Member
What am I looking at brah? I mean it looks good but gimme some descriptors.
Looks like eggs, maybe bacon and some Ezekiel bread with peanut butter.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Great job man!
FallingEdge
Member
I knew I forgot something. Two eggs over easy, cheese, deli ham and abuC said, ezekiel bread with pb.
As promised:
The fitness industry is a shit show. It’s, quite possibly, more corrupt than the financial industry, albeit less detrimental to the entire population, is as predatory, as non regulated, and full of as many big names that you can point at when you need to seethe with rage. This write up is about my experiences with the industry and how I’d change it, although I know I would never be as profitable as the big names have gotten.
I’ve been in and out of gyms for about 8 years as either a member or an employee. I started with your standard “idiot doing 5 day splits” work, moved into Crossfit, went into straight strength training, and now am in “fuck it, just do whatever” mode. Seriously, I’ve been all up and down the block with this shit.
However, I will never, ever, recommend that somebody actually get into the industry. As a trainer, gym owner, whatever. It’s a complete money sink. That being said:
What I love:
1. Getting to help people is legit pretty awesome. If somebody does exactly what you stay and sticks with it for long enough, they’ll get results and be forever grateful.
That’s about it.
What I Hate:
1. It is not lucrative. At all. Yes, yes, you have your 5% of CF boxes or your top of the food chain big gyms pulling bank. However, for the vast majority of people that get into the industry, they are paycheck to paycheck. Forever.
2. The larger gym chains are built on the back bones of minimum wage labor for everybody, except sales people. This means using it as a career choice is fool hardy as you won’t ever make enough money to really support a family.
3. The industry is built on lying to people. From Greg Glassman’s ”science based” workouts, to PT departments selling “muscle confusion” and a new workout every time you hit the gym, to just flat out useless products (shakeweight, really?) there is as much lying in this industry as in politics
4. There is zero regulation. If you get the chance, watch “Bigger, Faster, Stronger.” It’s a movie about steroids, mostly, but there’s some pretty solid info on how the BILLION dollar supplement industry has no FDA regulations. You can, literally, put whatever you want, so long as it’s not on the no-no list from the FDA, and say it does whatever you want it to, and sell it. That’s not even going into the whole issue of photo shopped pictures.
All that being said, there are still going to be people that want to get in for the legit right reasons. For those people, whether it be to train, coach, or operate a facitlity:
How to do it successfully:
1. You’re going to need to become, first a foremost, focused on retaining any client or member you get. They are your billboard. All the advertisements and marketing in the world cannot beat word of mouth.
2. You’re going to have to live lean. Next month’s funds are never guaranteed. Don’t by a single piece of equipment unless that piece is going to increase your revenue.
3. Shop your competition. As of this writing, the national average for personal training is around $67.00 per hour. See what’s going on in gyms in your local area, what they charge for classes, for membership, for PT, etc.
4. Don’t undercharge. The biggest issue that PT run into is charging too little. Training isn’t just throwing a workout at somebody. You’ve got to plan out their progression, keep in constant contact with them about how they’re doing, be available for phone calls about whatever crap they’re about to shove in their face. So, 30 dollars for one hour of work doesn’t sound bad, but it’s probably closer to 3 hours of work per week for every hour you spend with a client. Keep that in mind.
5. You're a salesman. If that makes you uncomfortable, you're going to have a real hard time eating.
Certs that are legit:
NSCA (CPT, CSCS) – Gold damn standard
NASM
ACE
Crossfit Level 2 (note, not 1)
Starting Strength Seminar
Certs that are a complete fucking joke:
All the rest. I’ll update the above list with what I find that is real deal, but if it ain’t up there, don’t fork over your money unless you’re damn sure it’s worth it.
Expenses to plan for:
Maintenance
Liability insurance
Labor expenses
Processing fees
Accounting costs
Equipment
Advertising/Marketing
Offices supplies
Utilties
What to look for/what skills to have as a trainer:
1. Communication – No, this does not mean how to yell in a P90x class or how to properly explain the biomechanical break down of a squat. This means finding the best way to articulate how a movement should be done. Remember, your biggest clientele group (unless you luck out in being a specialist) is middle aged, overweight, women. They will, most likely, have no awareness of their body. Breaking down how to squat while keeping the chest up can take 20 minutes if you don’t have good queues.
2. Image – I’m gonna sound like a dick here, but if you’re out of shape, don’t get into this industry. Nobody is going to think you know your shit if you look like shit or can't back your shit up. The exception to this rule is Greg Glassman. Actually, he's the exception to a lot of rules.
3. Knowledge – Having an awesome cert and a degree is entirely different from knowing how to program and work with various client populations. If you hire some fresh out of high school kid with an ISSA, he/she is going to injure somebody. You either need to hire somebody with experience, or develop them. If you yourself don’t know a damn thing about training and want to just get into it, I suggest shadowing somebody on your time to learn the craft. This shit ain’t easy.
More coming later. Just some thoughts for now.
The fitness industry is a shit show. It’s, quite possibly, more corrupt than the financial industry, albeit less detrimental to the entire population, is as predatory, as non regulated, and full of as many big names that you can point at when you need to seethe with rage. This write up is about my experiences with the industry and how I’d change it, although I know I would never be as profitable as the big names have gotten.
I’ve been in and out of gyms for about 8 years as either a member or an employee. I started with your standard “idiot doing 5 day splits” work, moved into Crossfit, went into straight strength training, and now am in “fuck it, just do whatever” mode. Seriously, I’ve been all up and down the block with this shit.
However, I will never, ever, recommend that somebody actually get into the industry. As a trainer, gym owner, whatever. It’s a complete money sink. That being said:
What I love:
1. Getting to help people is legit pretty awesome. If somebody does exactly what you stay and sticks with it for long enough, they’ll get results and be forever grateful.
That’s about it.
What I Hate:
1. It is not lucrative. At all. Yes, yes, you have your 5% of CF boxes or your top of the food chain big gyms pulling bank. However, for the vast majority of people that get into the industry, they are paycheck to paycheck. Forever.
2. The larger gym chains are built on the back bones of minimum wage labor for everybody, except sales people. This means using it as a career choice is fool hardy as you won’t ever make enough money to really support a family.
3. The industry is built on lying to people. From Greg Glassman’s ”science based” workouts, to PT departments selling “muscle confusion” and a new workout every time you hit the gym, to just flat out useless products (shakeweight, really?) there is as much lying in this industry as in politics
4. There is zero regulation. If you get the chance, watch “Bigger, Faster, Stronger.” It’s a movie about steroids, mostly, but there’s some pretty solid info on how the BILLION dollar supplement industry has no FDA regulations. You can, literally, put whatever you want, so long as it’s not on the no-no list from the FDA, and say it does whatever you want it to, and sell it. That’s not even going into the whole issue of photo shopped pictures.
All that being said, there are still going to be people that want to get in for the legit right reasons. For those people, whether it be to train, coach, or operate a facitlity:
How to do it successfully:
1. You’re going to need to become, first a foremost, focused on retaining any client or member you get. They are your billboard. All the advertisements and marketing in the world cannot beat word of mouth.
2. You’re going to have to live lean. Next month’s funds are never guaranteed. Don’t by a single piece of equipment unless that piece is going to increase your revenue.
3. Shop your competition. As of this writing, the national average for personal training is around $67.00 per hour. See what’s going on in gyms in your local area, what they charge for classes, for membership, for PT, etc.
4. Don’t undercharge. The biggest issue that PT run into is charging too little. Training isn’t just throwing a workout at somebody. You’ve got to plan out their progression, keep in constant contact with them about how they’re doing, be available for phone calls about whatever crap they’re about to shove in their face. So, 30 dollars for one hour of work doesn’t sound bad, but it’s probably closer to 3 hours of work per week for every hour you spend with a client. Keep that in mind.
5. You're a salesman. If that makes you uncomfortable, you're going to have a real hard time eating.
Certs that are legit:
NSCA (CPT, CSCS) – Gold damn standard
NASM
ACE
Crossfit Level 2 (note, not 1)
Starting Strength Seminar
Certs that are a complete fucking joke:
All the rest. I’ll update the above list with what I find that is real deal, but if it ain’t up there, don’t fork over your money unless you’re damn sure it’s worth it.
Expenses to plan for:
Maintenance
Liability insurance
Labor expenses
Processing fees
Accounting costs
Equipment
Advertising/Marketing
Offices supplies
Utilties
What to look for/what skills to have as a trainer:
1. Communication – No, this does not mean how to yell in a P90x class or how to properly explain the biomechanical break down of a squat. This means finding the best way to articulate how a movement should be done. Remember, your biggest clientele group (unless you luck out in being a specialist) is middle aged, overweight, women. They will, most likely, have no awareness of their body. Breaking down how to squat while keeping the chest up can take 20 minutes if you don’t have good queues.
2. Image – I’m gonna sound like a dick here, but if you’re out of shape, don’t get into this industry. Nobody is going to think you know your shit if you look like shit or can't back your shit up. The exception to this rule is Greg Glassman. Actually, he's the exception to a lot of rules.
3. Knowledge – Having an awesome cert and a degree is entirely different from knowing how to program and work with various client populations. If you hire some fresh out of high school kid with an ISSA, he/she is going to injure somebody. You either need to hire somebody with experience, or develop them. If you yourself don’t know a damn thing about training and want to just get into it, I suggest shadowing somebody on your time to learn the craft. This shit ain’t easy.
More coming later. Just some thoughts for now.
kevo_huevo
Member
As a consumer, I would share that I always looked for this certification from possible physical therapists the numerous times I've had my knees scoped, and after I had ACL reconstruction. From my perspective, a CSCS certification was the opposite of a red flag. Someone with this cert would definitely understand my goal of PT as not just to get back to normal functionality, but to get me back on a program as an active person. I did a lot of dynamic rehab and plyometrics, agility work, mobility exercises, in addition to getting some good lifting advice while I recovered.
Psychotext
Member
Saw "Bigger, Stronger, Faster" a few years back. Real eye opener.
God Dayumm
Banned
Sadetar, how much did your mouth hurt when you decided to go to the gym last week?
You see, I'm planning a date this friday and want to look sturdy lol
You see, I'm planning a date this friday and want to look sturdy lol
The NSCA member ship comes with bi-monthly journals and monthly research paper compilations. The Association has done a good job with providing it's members peer reviewed research as opposed to just churning out as many certs as possible. Even if you never plan on training somebody or getting a cert, the few hundred bucks for a two year member ship is well worth it.
If you meet somebody with a CSCS they are real fucking deal in the smarts department. They may not have the personality or communication skills, but they know their shit, hands fucking down.
Hell, even if you're not going the CSCS or CPT route, I'd buy both of their text books. They are THAT good. That'll be up in a second post about must have equipment and resource manuals.
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Deleted member 47027
Unconfirmed Member
Veezy brah, that info should be a topic in OT.
Ya think OT would be into it?
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Deleted member 47027
Unconfirmed Member
I'm sure they all would have an opinion, for better or worse.
But it might be good to hear some peoples' stories about their experiences as well. It's just too good and important of a post for it to just lie buried in Fit-GAF OT6. I wanna sub to it and come back to it as time goes on, and I'm sure others would too.
Aight, get ready folks. It's up.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Right as I finish doing farmer walks my neighbor comes over and asks me to help her assemble her porch gazebo thingy. That was a bit awkward as I'm in shorts and a tank top drenched in sweat already. Oh well, at least my good deed for the day is done.
Thanks man. Still working on form but I I'm finally taking shape on bench.
Zoe
Member
You didn't say anything about dieting in tandem.
kevo_huevo
Member
omfg i need to stop reading these 'fitness' threads on my companies social media site. the 'advice' there is the absolute worst
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