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Fitness |OT6| Defying gravity, Quest madness, and Muscle Shaming

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yogloo

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You didn't say anything about dieting in tandem.
Of course you have to diet. Duh. But lifting heavy stuff is efficient in using up calories especially compared to cardiovascular exercises.
Also consider that muscle is denser than fat. So with the same bodyweight, you will look leaner if you are muscular.
 

sphinx

the piano man
It's a test for De Quervain syndrome, which is a repetitive strain injury. I'd stop lifting for a bit and see a doctor just to be sure.

yes, tomorrow I have an appointment at 9:00 AM so we'll see. It seems to be a doc specialized in sport injuries so I hope he/she knows what is it. I don't want to surf the web to find multiple diagnosis.

on another topic.... mmhh... I think I may have possibly gotten my first "you sure you're natty?" remark...

how? well, a bit of a story. 1.5 years ago in October 2012 I signed up for the local gym here in my city in Germany and soon thereafter I made friends with a french guy who was as lonely as I was, but unlike me, he is very muscular and advanced, he teached me a couple of moves back then and helped me get into free weights.

he moved back to france 4 months later in Jan/Feb 2013 so we have remained friends over whatsapp and Facebook. yesterday, I showed him this before/after I did (which I posted in the Face2014 thread and was meaning not to post here, but wth) over whatsapp and I got friendly comments from him but he also said "and it's nice you've done it all natural *wink *wink" (like that).. and I was like.. "mmhh.. really??". Maybe I am reading into it, it's most likely that, but I think the comment was completely uncalled for. On the other hand, he left germany and saw me for the last time live with me looking more or less like the left side of this comparison, so maybe he wasn't expecting such disparity. the before pic is in shape but no weight training, the right pic is 2 days ago, postworkout, under the light, blablabla.

beginuntilmay2014_zps611e0cec.jpg


as advanced as he is, he should now by know pics are just pics and don't tell a complete story. it was interesting in any case. I didn't want to ask more about it or what he meant because I am 99.99% certain, judging by his looks, that he isn't natural but we haven't talked about it and he doesn't seemed open about the topic either so I let it be.
 
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Deleted member 17706

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That's an awesome comparison pic, Sphinx. Excellent progress.
 

Pete Rock

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I got friendly comments from him but he also said "and it's nice you've done it all natural *wink *wink" (like that).. and I was like.. "mmhh.. really??"...

...as advanced as he is, he should now by know pics are just pics and don't tell a complete story. it was interesting in any case. I didn't want to ask more about it or what he meant because I am 99.99% certain, judging by his looks, that he isn't natural but we haven't talked about it and he doesn't seemed open about the topic either so I let it be.
It's always possible that the wink wink was a bit of a nudge nudge and he was trying to open up a sales channel, I dunno.

Great progress pic for sure, hope your diagnosis goes well and you can get back to lifting hard asap.
 

Zoe

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Of course you have to diet. Duh. But lifting heavy stuff is efficient in using up calories especially compared to cardiovascular exercises.
Also consider that muscle is denser than fat. So with the same bodyweight, you will look leaner if you are muscular.
It's really not a "duh" because many prior do believe you can lose weight on exercise alone.

Personally for me the window between weight loss and maintenance is too small, so I've had to abandon any attempts at progress with lifting.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
That's what I'm talking about Sphinx, you piano playin' stud you.


It's really not a "duh" because many prior do believe you can lose weight on exercise alone.

Personally for me the window between weight loss and maintenance is too small, so I've had to abandon any attempts at progress with lifting.


Huh?
 

sphinx

the piano man
Thank you guys. I really appreciate it, I have a big respect for this community..

when I see at the pics, the one part that stands out more to me is the chest, left is absolutely flat and on the right, lines under the pectorals are starting to appear, that's (a bit under) 2 years time of work....not arnie's pecs but I'll take it.

what I absolutely don't understand is why the drastic change in the color of the skin, I am pale white in the left and very brown in the right, and I don't do anything regarding the color of the skin, (like tanning and such). I'll assume it's the camera and the light

It's always possible that the wink wink was a bit of a nudge nudge and he was trying to open up a sales channel, I dunno.

Great progress pic for sure, hope your diagnosis goes well and you can get back to lifting hard asap.

yeah, I shouldn't read much into it, and I won't but it was a weird comment, maybe I'll ask at some point if he meant anything. We'll coincide in Madrid in July so I'll be upfront with him and ask away.

yep tomorrow is the day.... I gotta say, there are exercises that do not trigger the pain at all, pull-ups, dips, pec flies, abosolutely no feeling, discomfort or pain doing those.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Because I'm reducing my consumption to lose weight, my strength is lowering, and even with resetting the my weights the peaks get lower.


So you're losing strength on a cut. That's normal. That or your diet isn't dialed in correctly, especially if you're still a "beginner" to weight training.

Eating smart and lifting weights can absolutely result in a great body recomp.

I believe you may be throwing out the baby with the the bath water if you're dumping resistance training.


I'd be willing to bet your diet and lifting plan weren't optimal for you or wasn't formed/executed correctly.
 
I'm on ~1,900kcal a day and pushing better numbers all the time on the weights. You don't always lose strength just because you're in calorie deficit, especially as a beginner.
 
I have to skip sprinting/Kendo today because I feel unusually sore and worked from 'medium day'-monday. Need to rest and pass on cardio for faster recovery and save the energy for tomorrow.

It's taken a blow to my conscience. Feels bad fitgafferinos. :-(

yes, tomorrow I have an appointment at 9:00 AM so we'll see. It seems to be a doc specialized in sport injuries so I hope he/she knows what is it. I don't want to surf the web to find multiple diagnosis.

on another topic.... mmhh... I think I may have possibly gotten my first "you sure you're natty?" remark...

how? well, a bit of a story. 1.5 years ago in October 2012 I signed up for the local gym here in my city in Germany and soon thereafter I made friends with a french guy who was as lonely as I was, but unlike me, he is very muscular and advanced, he teached me a couple of moves back then and helped me get into free weights.

he moved back to france 4 months later in Jan/Feb 2013 so we have remained friends over whatsapp and Facebook. yesterday, I showed him this before/after I did (which I posted in the Face2014 thread and was meaning not to post here, but wth) over whatsapp and I got friendly comments from him but he also said "and it's nice you've done it all natural *wink *wink" (like that).. and I was like.. "mmhh.. really??". Maybe I am reading into it, it's most likely that, but I think the comment was completely uncalled for. On the other hand, he left germany and saw me for the last time live with me looking more or less like the left side of this comparison, so maybe he wasn't expecting such disparity. the before pic is in shape but no weight training, the right pic is 2 days ago, postworkout, under the light, blablabla.

beginuntilmay2014_zps611e0cec.jpg


as advanced as he is, he should now by know pics are just pics and don't tell a complete story. it was interesting in any case. I didn't want to ask more about it or what he meant because I am 99.99% certain, judging by his looks, that he isn't natural but we haven't talked about it and he doesn't seemed open about the topic either so I let it be.

Your progress photo is inspirational. That's one massive difference. no pun intended.
 

Cooter

Lacks the power of instantaneous movement
Post those two pictures in the FitGaf OT thread in July Sphinx! That's freaking incredible. Wow! Just wow!!!
 

Sadetar

Member
My work out for today included me sweating in fitting rooms and trying to try on like million sport bras (trying to try on as in my boobs kinda fitted to like two of them). Holy fucking hell, who invented those devilish pieces of clothing... Honestly, I was nearly crying in the fitting room. I think that they are quite much the same thing if I would go and have a tight Jesus tape on all over my upped body (except that the cheapest ones that I managed to tuck myself into were 59 euros / 82 dollars). They look awful, they feel horrid and they are ridiculously expensive taking into account how little fabric and design there is. Do I really need them? Gods I want to lose weight and have a flat chest.

So you're losing strength on a cut. That's normal. That or your diet isn't dialed in correctly, especially if you're still a "beginner" to weight training.

Eating smart and lifting weights can absolutely result in a great body recomp.

I believe you may be throwing out the baby with the the bath water if you're dumping resistance training.


I'd be willing to bet your diet and lifting plan weren't optimal for you or wasn't formed/executed correctly.
Yeah, I am trying to find the good combo. Trying to lose fat, eat smart and gain or at least maintain muscles is still hard for a noobie like me.

Lets give it couple more months and we will see. Hopefully there is at least something to show on the upcoming fitness awesomeness thread.

Right as I finish doing farmer walks my neighbor comes over and asks me to help her assemble her porch gazebo thingy. That was a bit awkward as I'm in shorts and a tank top drenched in sweat already. Oh well, at least my good deed for the day is done.
Hahaha, come on - that would be the exact time when I would be asking for help as well. ;) Smart lady.

Sadetar, how much did your mouth hurt when you decided to go to the gym last week?

You see, I'm planning a date this friday and want to look sturdy lol
If it has been hurting or bleeding lately, I wouldn't suggest you going to the gym to be honest. Mine was having a very mild pulse like pain when I was lifting something, but no bleeding what so ever for nearly three days. My wounds generally seem to heal quite quickly. I would say that if it is around 1,5 weeks from the removal, it should be quite alright to go though.

Oh, and good luck for the date kitty. Be a tiger and woo her.

Sphinx, absolutely amazing work!
 
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Deleted member 17706

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Because I'm reducing my consumption to lose weight, my strength is lowering, and even with resetting the my weights the peaks get lower.

Train on near-zero carb diet (or even do cyclical carb-feeds) and you can very easily reduce body fat while gaining muscle. Granted you will probably have to reduce the intensity of your workouts and the speed at which you accumulate muscle will be reduced, but if you're still a beginner you should make some quality gains. Even if you aren't upping the weight every session, getting in there and moving the weights is important. If you are just starting out and your main goal is overall body recomposition (reduce body fat and gain muscle), then I think your best bet is cutting out the carbs, but not starving yourself, and lifting weights.
 

Man

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I've been using a variant of Starting Strength OP-routine on & off (mostly on!) for the last 20 months or so. This in combination with Fitocracy etc.

Switched to StrongLifts 5x5 about a week ago. Very straight forward program and a handy app. Having some fun refining my techniques a bit with the change from 3x5 to 5x5 and slightly smaller number of exercises.
 

Cudder

Member
I've been using a variant of Starting Strength OP-routine on & off (mostly on!) for the last 20 months or so. This in combination with Fitocracy etc.

Switched to StrongLifts 5x5 about a week ago. Very straight forward program and a handy app. Having some fun refining my techniques a bit with the change from 3x5 to 5x5 and slightly smaller number of exercises.

What were your starting numbers and ending numbers on that program, if you don't mind me asking.
 
I've been using a variant of Starting Strength OP-routine on & off (mostly on!) for the last 20 months or so. This in combination with Fitocracy etc.

Switched to StrongLifts 5x5 about a week ago. Very straight forward program and a handy app. Having some fun refining my techniques a bit with the change from 3x5 to 5x5 and slightly smaller number of exercises.

I'm in a very similar position, I switched to Stronglifts like a week ago. The only things I added were pull ups, chin ups, chest dips, and farmer walks. Yeah it does feel weird changing from 3 X 5 to 5 X 5
 
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Deleted member 17706

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What's up with all of the advice for upping the weight by 5 lbs. for heavy lifts *every* session for beginner/novice programs?

I'm looking around at some new lifting programs to try after I get back from a two week vacation that starts in a couple of days, and most of the ones geared for novices seem to recommend this, as well as training 3 days a week or so.

These guys do realize this gets impossible pretty quickly, right? 3 x 5 x 4 = a 60 lb. increase after a single month of training. That may be possible for a month or two, or three in the best circumstances, but people are going to cap out pretty quickly.

Am I missing something?
 

sphinx

the piano man
Looking great, sphinx!

You are looking swole. I can't wait to see a progress pic in another year.

That's an awesome comparison pic, Sphinx. Excellent progress.

Great progress pic for sure, hope your diagnosis goes well and you can get back to lifting hard asap.

Nice job, sphinx!!

Your before looks like you're a bobble head. Now you're all man!

Well done, Sphinx!

nice work keep it up man

That's what I'm talking about Sphinx, you piano playin' stud you

Your progress photo is inspirational. That's one massive difference. no pun intended.

Post those two pictures in the FitGaf OT thread in July Sphinx! That's freaking incredible. Wow! Just wow!!!

Sphinx, absolutely amazing work!

Sphinx is king.

Sphinx, looking great man.

Great job Sphinx.

Now that's an awesome before/after shot, sphinx. Great job!!!

Sphinx, it really is like two different people man. Great work!

it's midnight here and tomorrow I have the appointment with the doctor a bit early so I am going to sleep but just wanted to say "thank you" again to you guys. this motivates me to keep working and trying to reach new goals.

and I take inspiration from all of you here, be it for progress pics or strength achievements, or standing up after falling down. I hope life allows me to continue doing this for many years and keep getting better at it.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
What's up with all of the advice for upping the weight by 5 lbs. for heavy lifts *every* session for beginner/novice programs?

I'm looking around at some new lifting programs to try after I get back from a two week vacation that starts in a couple of days, and most of the ones geared for novices seem to recommend this, as well as training 3 days a week or so.

These guys do realize this gets impossible pretty quickly, right? 3 x 5 x 4 = a 60 lb. increase after a single month of training. That may be possible for a month or two, or three in the best circumstances, but people are going to cap out pretty quickly.

Am I missing something?


As a novice those increases are possible and they are supposed to become harder. As you train even increasing 5lbs in a month will become hard and then very unlikely.


Those programs are designed to capitalize on the very fast adaptation you receive from resistance training as a novice. Also known as "newbie gains."

I suggest reading up on those programs to better understand them.
 
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Deleted member 17706

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As a novice those increases are possible and they are supposed to become harder. As you train even increasing 5lbs in a month will become hard and then very unlikely.


Those programs are designed to capitalize on the very fast adaptation you receive from resistance training as a novice. Also known as "newbie gains."

I suggest reading up on those programs to better understand them.

I'm definitely reading up on them more and more, but it just seems like a terribly lofty goal to even shoot for.

To try and gain 120 lbs. in two months on any lift but the deadlift just seems extremely unrealistic, even if you're starting out with just the bar.
 

Cudder

Member
What's up with all of the advice for upping the weight by 5 lbs. for heavy lifts *every* session for beginner/novice programs?

I'm looking around at some new lifting programs to try after I get back from a two week vacation that starts in a couple of days, and most of the ones geared for novices seem to recommend this, as well as training 3 days a week or so.

These guys do realize this gets impossible pretty quickly, right? 3 x 5 x 4 = a 60 lb. increase after a single month of training. That may be possible for a month or two, or three in the best circumstances, but people are going to cap out pretty quickly.

Am I missing something?

I did it for about for 6 months. Worked like a charm.
 

agrajag

Banned
You're not going to add 5 lbs every workout to every lift on linear progression programs. They take into account that you're going to stall and measures for dealing with that (deloads). Also Startinh Strength, for example, is meant to be done on a massive calorie surplus.
 
I did it for about for 6 months. Worked like a charm.

I am certainly not trying to say you are lying as I really just want to clarify, but you actually added 360 lbs to your deadlift in 6 months? Or am I misunderstanding?

Nvm, I think I figured out a mistake with my logic related to the frequency of each lift.
 
So is there anyone who institutes swimming into there work out, I want to try something new this summer I feel like my regular routines are getting boring.
 

rokkerkory

Member
Nice job Sphinx!!! Keep it up!!!

I am leaving for asia for 2 weeks FitGaf, wish me luck. 2 weeks of eating terrible (but yummy) food, partying, sleepless nights, etc.

Before I go, progress update, focused mostly on abs last few weeks and HIITS:

10330308_10152355274233758_3373564098074732402_n.jpg
 

Sadetar

Member
Nice job Sphinx!!! Keep it up!!!

I am leaving for asia for 2 weeks FitGaf, wish me luck. 2 weeks of eating terrible (but yummy) food, partying, sleepless nights, etc.

Before I go, progress update, focused mostly on abs last few weeks and HIITS:

10330308_10152355274233758_3373564098074732402_n.jpg
Fuck me.

I think you just turned this thread into softcore porn.

Edit: oh, there were also text in your post. Good luck and may your travels be full of splendid times, excellent food and awesome company.

Edit 2: Ok, I think my brains are starting to function again. And I am not whining by any means, on the contrary.

So is there anyone who institutes swimming into there work out, I want to try something new this summer I feel like my regular routines are getting boring.
I used to do swimming. Quite a lot actually when I was younger. At the moment the swimming hall just isn't in that handy location compared to where I am based.

I do find swimming to be quite relaxing and nice way of working out. Also if you want something different, try water running. Looks insanely idiotic and silly at the same time, but works wonders. Now when I think of it, i should most likely start it again. I assume my shitty back would love it.
 

Cudder

Member
I am certainly not trying to say you are lying as I really just want to clarify, but you actually added 360 lbs to your deadlift in 6 months? Or am I misunderstanding?

Nvm, I think I figured out a mistake with my logic related to the frequency of each lift.
I deloaded all my lifts a bit before I started and only do each lift once a week.
 
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Deleted member 17706

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I deloaded all my lifts a bit before I started and only do each lift once a week.

Still impressive. Consistent increase of 5 lbs. per week over half a year is awesome.
 
yes, tomorrow I have an appointment at 9:00 AM so we'll see. It seems to be a doc specialized in sport injuries so I hope he/she knows what is it. I don't want to surf the web to find multiple diagnosis.

on another topic.... mmhh... I think I may have possibly gotten my first "you sure you're natty?" remark...

how? well, a bit of a story. 1.5 years ago in October 2012 I signed up for the local gym here in my city in Germany and soon thereafter I made friends with a french guy who was as lonely as I was, but unlike me, he is very muscular and advanced, he teached me a couple of moves back then and helped me get into free weights.

he moved back to france 4 months later in Jan/Feb 2013 so we have remained friends over whatsapp and Facebook. yesterday, I showed him this before/after I did (which I posted in the Face2014 thread and was meaning not to post here, but wth) over whatsapp and I got friendly comments from him but he also said "and it's nice you've done it all natural *wink *wink" (like that).. and I was like.. "mmhh.. really??". Maybe I am reading into it, it's most likely that, but I think the comment was completely uncalled for. On the other hand, he left germany and saw me for the last time live with me looking more or less like the left side of this comparison, so maybe he wasn't expecting such disparity. the before pic is in shape but no weight training, the right pic is 2 days ago, postworkout, under the light, blablabla.

beginuntilmay2014_zps611e0cec.jpg


as advanced as he is, he should now by know pics are just pics and don't tell a complete story. it was interesting in any case. I didn't want to ask more about it or what he meant because I am 99.99% certain, judging by his looks, that he isn't natural but we haven't talked about it and he doesn't seemed open about the topic either so I let it be.

You look great man. Huge improvement, doesn't even look like the same person!

Nice job Sphinx!!! Keep it up!!!

I am leaving for asia for 2 weeks FitGaf, wish me luck. 2 weeks of eating terrible (but yummy) food, partying, sleepless nights, etc.

Before I go, progress update, focused mostly on abs last few weeks and HIITS:

10330308_10152355274233758_3373564098074732402_n.jpg

Damn son.

Damn.

Looking great!
 
Nice job Sphinx!!! Keep it up!!!

I am leaving for asia for 2 weeks FitGaf, wish me luck. 2 weeks of eating terrible (but yummy) food, partying, sleepless nights, etc.

Before I go, progress update, focused mostly on abs last few weeks and HIITS:

10330308_10152355274233758_3373564098074732402_n.jpg

Well looks like I won't be posting any more shirtless pics for a while, I can't compare lol. Enjoy your 2 weeks of of fun man
 
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