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Masquerader
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Well, I do more running and jumping stuff, I guess, but I do sometimes do the strength stuff every now and then...
... And I do eat everything. I stay annoyingly slender, though.
Short enough to be looked down at by most people. Haven't measured in a while.
I don't know how much you run? But cardio in general helps to keep your weight at a controlled level. A strength training workout is one of more effective ways to make gains. There are lots of different workouts out there. The ones mentioned in the OP are some good choices.
I highly doubt you eat as much as you think unless you run like 5-10 miles a day. How many calories do you estimate? Give us a rundown of your typical day. What kind of stuff are you eating and how much?
Masquerader
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Will read those, thanks very much~
Well, I run about 3 miles. I eat too much food, all the time. Entire packets of biscuits, lots of steak and pork and shit, and a tonne of sausage rolls. I'm not sure how many calories that is. It doesn't make me any bugger, mind.
Then you need to eat more. Three miles isn't burning that many calories. You probably eat about 3000-3500 and have a fast metabolism. If you are serious you need to know exactly how much you are consuming and that requires having a rough idea of the calories you eat. I would add lots of peanut butter and other nuts. Basically eat whatever you want until you get to about 4000-4500 a day. If you still see no weight gain increase it. It's trial and error and everyone is different. As mentioned, a serious weightlifting regime will benefit you greatly also. Good luck.
Here's an interesting quote from an article I just read regarding "fast" and "slow" metabolisms:
Source Article: http://simplesciencefitness.com
Sources (within the article):
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15534426
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/you-are-not-different.html/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9688626
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8383639
http://examine.com/faq/does-metabolism-vary-between-two-people.html#summary2
http://jap.physiology.org/content/82/1/298
I just realized that when people ask me how much I lift, I actually feel ashamed of my numbers because I'm comparing them big powerlifters and guys like brolic. When I tell them they are always telling me it's a lot, but it never seems like it anymore. Does this happen to anyone else here?
I was going to start a new thread about this but you know how it goes with these subjects.
I was going to start a new thread about this but you know how it goes with these subjects.
Wolfe
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The first time I started doing GOMAD it wasn't even intentional, just that with a large bowl of cereal with breakfast, multiple protein shakes throughout the day and drinking milk with a few meals I realized I was going through a whole gallon a day. I've never had issues with milk or dairy though and I've always really enjoyed the taste of whole milk so it wasn't a hard thing to accomplish in the end.
As one skinny underweight guy to another, trust me, you don't eat nearly enough as you think you do and even if you do, it's not nearly enough for you to gain weight. Plus with your running factored in, you need to eat a even more before you'll start seeing any significant weight gain.
When I first started hitting the gym I started counting calories and not only was it rather hard to eat a decent amount more than I had been but I realized just how much less I had been eating than I thought. As Cooter said I'd shoot for 4k and see how that goes.
Masquerader
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Thanks~! To be fair, I haven't really tried particularly hard before to get bulkier, although I am trying now, for certain. So it's trial and error? Makes sense. I'll certainly be eating more in time~ Again, thank you.
Eh, I always thought that metabolism seemed all too simple. Just so easy to invoke if you're too big or too thin. Anyone big can become thin I guess, same vice-versa. May as well act upon this rather than complaining about it.
Wolfe
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My advice is to actually count your calories, it can be deceiving how much you are or aren't eating until you have the actual numbers to look at. That's how it was for me. I downloaded the fitocracy app purely for the calorie counting and it helped a lot.
Masquerader
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Properly monitoring them? Ok, will do~ I'll get that app, then. Thanks~!
Same here. But usually new lifters that are starting out ask me that; I think they're just saying it to be nice. However I'm comparing my numbers with numbers of other lifters of similar bodyweight, of lifers I watch on YouTube, and numbers beginners "should be" hitting after a year plus of lifting.
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There's another lifter that goes to the university gym and he's a lot lighter and lifts more than me. I'm always jealous of his high-bar squat form. Just mirin.
I'm going to give [TSR] The squat rack a try when it goes public.
Hahah, hurting sounds good.At least you know you are doing it right.
Let us know how the physio went!
It huuuuuurts still. Lol.
So apparently I have "unusually floppy ankles" lol. Like, hyper mobility.
I had no idea that this:
is not the normal range that someone can do that, apparently. I compared the mobility of my ankle with a coworker this morning and yeah...she couldn't move her ankle nearly as much as mine.
So it's not getting the support it needs. So she gave me exercises that I will do to strengthen everything around the ankles.
She also mentioned that if I am still getting ankle freak outs around the new year, it might be worth going to get a referral to an orthopedic specialist to discuss it.
She didn't know what my calf things were though, because it has some qualities of a tear and not other qualities. She wonders if a tendon might be getting "caught" on something else, or something. But she couldn't say for sure.
Yep! Physio adventures.
Bodyweight exercises can definitely be a challenge. I do body weight rows like you are on the Smith machine, and it's humbling how hard they get after 10 reps.
Hurts so much haha.
Do you have a recommendation for an easy version of military presses? I think I should just do more push-ups but I'm not sure :/
AdventureRacing
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I don't feel ashamed by my numbers but it's funny seeing peoples reaction. On here if i post my numbers they feel very small, which is how i consider them. When you tell other people they're always surprised and think it's a huge amount of weight.
So I've been working on my abs... but the thing is I don't know if I'm doing it right. I decided to lose weight first before working on them. I'm at 145 pounds, trying to get to 140 while getting rid of almost all belly-fat.
My workout routine consists of "Leg Day" where I do a lot of leg based exercise because I discovered it makes my belly sweat a lot. I then proceed to work on my back and the sides (don't know what they're exactly called) and then I do abs. I do all kinds of abs, for about 30 minutes. I finished by doing 20 minutes of cardio (to burn extra calories and hopefully "tone" abdomen area as well).
But my biggest concern is my diet. Basically I'm eating anything I can get my hands into. Eating food is my biggest issue since I have poor cooking skills and most of the time I go for easy meals such as boiled eggs, cereal with milk, ramen noodles every once in a while, and my protein shake (Whey protein isolate). I'm doing two scoops which equals to about 45-50 grams of protein a day after working out.
I'm limiting my diet to a less than 1,300 calorie diet while burning about 1,400 calories to 1,600. I'm trying to burn more calories than I consume to have my body fat at 10% or less (I currently have about 17% body fat) yet I gain and lose weight, it's like a yoyo effect. My workout days look like this: I eat two boiled eggs in the morning with some milk (almond milk), sometimes with some salad or some greens if I have that. For lunch I will eat something like chicken soup with vegetables, or boiled rice with beans and drink coffee with milk with some whole grain bread also from time to time I will eat something sweet like a jelly sandwich, or a cupcake from my mom because of the sugar (to give me some energy to last through the day). I then workout in the afternoon for about two hours, drink my protein shake. At night I eat some cereal with milk and sometimes another piece of bread. Under this routine I've been feeling weak, almost without energy and I'm thinking of changing things a bit, but drinking coffee gives me a lot of energy. I just don't want to become dependent on coffee. When I started on this I was routine I was overweight, almost 180 pounds but I had significantly more strength. My strength has decreased a lot, I used to be able to lift much more than now. So fitnessGAF, any suggestions, advice, comments would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Oh and by the way, my height is 5'7 and weight 145 my BMI is 22.7 but my doctor has said that my bones are dense which significant weight (strong bones yay!) henceforth my total body fat is ~17%. So just 7% less to go... I'm working out 5 days a week, sometimes 4 days a week, and when I'm feeling really good I try to workout 6 days a week.
My workout routine consists of "Leg Day" where I do a lot of leg based exercise because I discovered it makes my belly sweat a lot. I then proceed to work on my back and the sides (don't know what they're exactly called) and then I do abs. I do all kinds of abs, for about 30 minutes. I finished by doing 20 minutes of cardio (to burn extra calories and hopefully "tone" abdomen area as well).
But my biggest concern is my diet. Basically I'm eating anything I can get my hands into. Eating food is my biggest issue since I have poor cooking skills and most of the time I go for easy meals such as boiled eggs, cereal with milk, ramen noodles every once in a while, and my protein shake (Whey protein isolate). I'm doing two scoops which equals to about 45-50 grams of protein a day after working out.
I'm limiting my diet to a less than 1,300 calorie diet while burning about 1,400 calories to 1,600. I'm trying to burn more calories than I consume to have my body fat at 10% or less (I currently have about 17% body fat) yet I gain and lose weight, it's like a yoyo effect. My workout days look like this: I eat two boiled eggs in the morning with some milk (almond milk), sometimes with some salad or some greens if I have that. For lunch I will eat something like chicken soup with vegetables, or boiled rice with beans and drink coffee with milk with some whole grain bread also from time to time I will eat something sweet like a jelly sandwich, or a cupcake from my mom because of the sugar (to give me some energy to last through the day). I then workout in the afternoon for about two hours, drink my protein shake. At night I eat some cereal with milk and sometimes another piece of bread. Under this routine I've been feeling weak, almost without energy and I'm thinking of changing things a bit, but drinking coffee gives me a lot of energy. I just don't want to become dependent on coffee. When I started on this I was routine I was overweight, almost 180 pounds but I had significantly more strength. My strength has decreased a lot, I used to be able to lift much more than now. So fitnessGAF, any suggestions, advice, comments would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Oh and by the way, my height is 5'7 and weight 145 my BMI is 22.7 but my doctor has said that my bones are dense which significant weight (strong bones yay!) henceforth my total body fat is ~17%. So just 7% less to go... I'm working out 5 days a week, sometimes 4 days a week, and when I'm feeling really good I try to workout 6 days a week.
AdventureRacing
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My advice would be to go for a more structured program. It kinda sounds like you're just throwing shit at a wall, i mean doing leg day because it makes your stomach sweat is bro science at its best.
In terms of your diet if you're planning to reach something like 10% body fat that's really where all the work is going to be done.
In terms of your diet if you're planning to reach something like 10% body fat that's really where all the work is going to be done.
The type of squats that I do make me sweat a lot, around my abdomen. This is purely from observation lol. Yep I figured it's all about diet but it's hard to maintain it. I'll feel hungry most of the time and it takes a lot of will not to eat carb-heavy foods, like Mac n cheese, or basically something that my family cooks which always involves a lot of carbs. So I'm sticking to a mostly protein diet.
AdventureRacing
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That's not really how sweating works, you don't really make one part of your body sweat it's a whole body response. Secondly what is the purpose of making your abdomen sweat? You're trying to lose fat from that area, having your sweat glands produce some sweat does nothing to achieve that goal. Thirdly you can't target areas for fat loss, it doesn't really work that way. Generally you just have to lose fat across your body and eventually you will see results with your abs (though often it's the last to go).
I think you really need to define your goals a bit better. You say you just want to work on your abs, so is that literally your only goal? If so why do you care about losing strength?
If you want to know my personal opinion i think you're wasting your time and effort. You're working out at as much as 6 times a week for as long as 2 hours. That's a hell of a lot of effort to just try and lose a few pounds. The guys in this thread you see with incredible bodies and ridiculous strength aren't even doing that much. If you're going to spend that much time and effort in the gym isn't it worth taking a little while to do some reading and make the most out of your time working out?
I strongly recommend doing some reading about all this and starting yourself on a progression based lifting program (some sort of beginners program like SS would be ideal). At the least if you learn the basics you can set yourself up to get more out of your time working out.
What you're doing with your diet isn't healthy and might not give you the results you want. Even for someone your size a 1300 calorie diet is really low especially if you're working out for 1-2 hours every day. I can also guarantee that you're not burning as much as 1400-1600 calories a day nor do you need to for fat loss.
You should definitely do a bit of reading about nutrition and diet. There is a diet thread out there somewhere on GAF for you to start.
I really can't stress this enough but you owe it to yourself to learn a little bit about what you're doing. You don't want to look back in a few years and realise just how much time and effort you wasted because you couldn't be bothered to learn what to do at the start.
I have also hyper mobility in quite many places like ankles, knees and elbows. I always need to remember to have soft knees for example and remind myself not to lock my joints. Hopefully your ankle will be better after you have managed to strenghten your muscles around it a bit. Go show your calf it you think it isn't getting any better and bothers you. If you keep working out like you do you will soon have a steel body.
Normally physiotherapist are really good and they have helped me a lot. ^_^
No need to feel silly. I have couple friends who have been skinny their whole lives no matter what they have been eating and I remember it annoyed them quite much especially when they were younger. Also always on doc's appointmens they were accused to be anorexic or bulimic or something as nasty as that and health professionals used to be very mean towards them. I have now known them for over 20 years and I know for sure that they eat normally and quite much but still just don't gain weight.
So yes, even if I have always been on the heavier side of things, I do sympathize also people with different difficulties. Good luck!
WTF..I just learned Mike Matarazzo, popular bodybuilder in the 90's died two months ago, age 47, due to heart failure.. someone posted a pic of his calves in the calf thread, googled him and bam, dead..
fantastic body, indeed, but...
(his quote in Wikipedia):
fantastic body, indeed, but...
(his quote in Wikipedia):
Mike Matarazzo said:
Anyone here do any running?
I have been getting some pain in the outside of my right foot after doing a few miles.
I do overpronate but I have shoes to correct for that(Brooks).
Hurts like a mofo and If i put the joint on the edge of a piece of concrete I get a really exquisite pain.
But there is no swelling and it goes away within 20 minutes of stopping.
No pain from pressing on it either afterwards. I wonder if the shoes are doing it?
My instinct is to just take a few days off them start building my distance up from scratch again. I really take whatever exercise im doing too intensely and end up making something hurt.
I have been getting some pain in the outside of my right foot after doing a few miles.
I do overpronate but I have shoes to correct for that(Brooks).
Hurts like a mofo and If i put the joint on the edge of a piece of concrete I get a really exquisite pain.
But there is no swelling and it goes away within 20 minutes of stopping.
No pain from pressing on it either afterwards. I wonder if the shoes are doing it?
My instinct is to just take a few days off them start building my distance up from scratch again. I really take whatever exercise im doing too intensely and end up making something hurt.
Pakoe
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WTF..I just learned Mike Matarazzo, popular bodybuilder in the 90's died two months ago, age 47, due to heart failure.. someone posted a pic of his calves in the calf thread, googled him and bam, dead..
fantastic body, indeed, but...
(his quote in Wikipedia):
Such a shame, another reason why i prefer bodybuilders from back in the day when growth hormones weren't abused as much.
I'm guessing allot of todays bodybuilders won't reach an old age.
WTF..I just learned Mike Matarazzo, popular bodybuilder in the 90's died two months ago, age 47, due to heart failure.. someone posted a pic of his calves in the calf thread, googled him and bam, dead..
fantastic body, indeed, but...
(his quote in Wikipedia):
Yeah, quite a few bodybuilders have died in the last year.
CherryWoodFuton
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So my week off from lifting(unintended since I was moving) I had a chance to reevaluate my 531 run. My primary goals are to squat 2xs my body weight (I'm currently 202 lbs) deadlift 2.5xs body weight, bench 1.5x bodyweight, and OHP my bodywieght. I don't think 531 would help reach my goals in a reasonable amount of time. I've only done about 3 cycles but I feel like I can benefit more from doing a program like Jason Blaha's 5x5 novice program. Any advice????
Pakoe
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Hanging leg raises.
Windshield wipers.
When on a decline bench do some crunches, but keep a plate/dumbbell in front of your face (if you can, that is).
Planks.
soemthing like 3x a week i do 2x15 hanging leg raises and 2x10 ab rollers (straight ahead). along with squats and deadlifts, i have pretty good abs
My ab workout consists of weighing my food and putting no more than 2500 calories in my mouth 6 out of 7 days a week. Secondary exercises include DLs over 400lbs once a week and squats over 350. Bingo!
Moral of the story is abs have nothing to do with concentrated ab work and all to do with diet. Of course, concentrated ab work will improve them once you shed that layer of fat away but most people just want to see them.
As I mentioned to someone a few pages back, hanging leg raises, bent knee bench raises, and ab roller are good basic choices.
I usually do core workouts about 2-3 times a week. I don't like to do ab routines that isolate the abs. I prefer to do routines that really hit the whole core.
Edit: I like Cooter's ab workout. Similar to Cooter, I don't like to do ab workouts. That's why I call them core workouts.
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Deleted member 47027
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Put on a belt I haven't worn since my early 20s. Not only am I wearin this motherfucker, it's a notch tighter than I ever did back in the day. This cardio shit has kicked my diet into GEAR, goddamn.
That is insanity. Thank gods I actually aesthetically even prefer a body with a bit less muscles and higher body fat. People in this thread generally look damn good.WTF..I just learned Mike Matarazzo, popular bodybuilder in the 90's died two months ago, age 47, due to heart failure.. someone posted a pic of his calves in the calf thread, googled him and bam, dead..
fantastic body, indeed, but...
(his quote in Wikipedia):
I also hope that people would put their health first and looks second what ever their ideal body type would be.
That is awesome! Have you managed to keep a hold on your muscle mass?
I hope you are also feeling better. Just do the things that make you happy! ^_^
I'm trying to work on various things at the same time but not achieving any results. Indeed I feel like I'm wasting my time. Well it looks like I'm going to be doing a lot of reading! I now understand diet is very important. I'll prioritize technique and quality of sets rather than number and time of sets (if that makes any sense - basically create a routine that's effective). Thanks for the advice!
WTF..I just learned Mike Matarazzo, popular bodybuilder in the 90's died two months ago, age 47, due to heart failure.. someone posted a pic of his calves in the calf thread, googled him and bam, dead..
fantastic body, indeed, but...
(his quote in Wikipedia):
That's torture. That's one way to torture one's body. Sometimes I don't understand body-builders when they're willing to do an extremely dangerous diet, on top of hormones, and steroids and putting themselves at risk of cardiovascular diseases and heart failure. In my opinion it's just not worth it.
May I ask what your diet looks like? As in what you eat every day and proportions? I'm just trying to get an idea for myself and would like to hear what your diet is like. Thanks!
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Deleted member 47027
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That is awesome! Have you managed to keep a hold on your muscle mass?
I hope you are also feeling better. Just do the things that make you happy! ^_^
So far so good. Later I'll post about what the testosterone has been doing to me as I've been hit really hard with some of the side effects, and it's probably worth talking about.
Long story short, docs were giving me, in their words, "way too much" and have cut my dosage by a third. Once they did that my mood swings vanished. I haven't cried in over a week, feels like a miracle.
There's a lot more going on and I am still somewhat miserable but getting rid of the mood swings has helped me so very much.
Today I had the following and most days are similar to this:
-1.5 cups greek yogurt, 1 scoop protein, .25 cup bran buds=400 cal, 70gs protein
-1 quest bar=180 cal, 20gs p
-12ozs chicken, 2 Tbsp BBQ sauce, spinach, 1 Tbsp Italian dressing=520 cals, 60 p
-96gs PB, 20gs preserves= 700 cals, 20gs p
-1 quest bar= 160 cals, 20gs p
-1 bag of corn nuts= 220 cals, 4gs p
170 ozs of water
Total= 2180 calories and 195 grams of protein.
That's a bit low for me because I'm having a gigantic cheat day tomorrow and I like to be low the day before. I will interchange steak, fish, and pork for meat and usually stick to green beans, Brussels sprouts, and asparagus along with spinach.
Keep in mind I train heavy 5 or 6 days a week and weigh 180 pounds. You may not have the same needs I do.
Hypereides
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Had my first real 'cheat meal' in a while. Went to a Mcdonalds, inhaled 3 big macs in a matter of minutes, went to a candy shop and gorged approx. 270 grams of mixed sweets. Didn't eat anything else the entire day. All in all everything was around 2500~2600 cal total.
Psychotext
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Can anyone here recommend a gym in Vegas? Going to be on holiday there in a couple of weeks and given I'm probably going to be eating big, I reckon I should probably be lifting big too.
Don't care if it's at one of the hotels (or what it costs) as long as it's relatively well equipped / quiet. Maybe some hotels are known for having better gyms (weight rooms) than others? I'm staying at the Signature @ MGM Grand which I know has a "cardio room" as part of the price, but I don't think 6 days of spinning is going to cut it.
Another quick try, for the weekend crew.
Hey GAF, I've been looking at a few beginner training programs but most of them require more equipment than I have access to. As I travel for work every week I only have access to hotel gyms which in most cases only offer dumbbells. I would love your recommendation for a program!
Age: 28
Height: 165
Weight: 6'2
Goal: Gaining some volume, more strength, more defined abs
Current Training Schedule: Run (1/2 week), random weight lifting ( 3 times a week but no set program just try to alternate muscles), yoga (1 a week)
Current Training Equipment Available: Only dumbbells during the week, access to a more equipped gym during week end but only machines no free weights except dumbbells.
Comments: I've done a few rounds of P90X a couple of years ago. I have very long work hours and travel a lot but I can commit 45 min to an hour 3/4 times a week for weight lifting
Age: 28
Height: 165
Weight: 6'2
Goal: Gaining some volume, more strength, more defined abs
Current Training Schedule: Run (1/2 week), random weight lifting ( 3 times a week but no set program just try to alternate muscles), yoga (1 a week)
Current Training Equipment Available: Only dumbbells during the week, access to a more equipped gym during week end but only machines no free weights except dumbbells.
Comments: I've done a few rounds of P90X a couple of years ago. I have very long work hours and travel a lot but I can commit 45 min to an hour 3/4 times a week for weight lifting
Yes. Annoyingly so. The only time I see yellow pee is when I wake up.
EDIT: Just took this free sample pre w/o I got at GNC for buying quest bars. It's called Assult by Musclepharm? I was instantly itching and got a rash around my neck, elbows, and a little around my right eye. WTF?? Boy does it work though!
Average broz gym. Very solid.
Psychotext
Member
Cheers, I'll have a look.
So what I usually do is bench a weight until I can do 3x5 in a session, then move up 5 lbs.
Been struggling with 135 lbs (45 lbs each side of the bar), doing sets of 3x3, but felt great today. Got through 1 set of 5 for the first time. Then got through the second set of 5. Failed on the 4th rep of set 3. Didn't have a spotter, two guys had to come lift the bar from chest level. (Yeah, stupid of me. Not sure why but I have been having this problem a lot lately where I push too far and end up needing a bail out. )
Girl spotting the guy next to me said that she was watching and that it wasn't a safe weight for me, that I should just stick to the bar. Wtf?
Is there a reason why someone would say this? I don't have much bulk because I never go more than 5 reps per set, or more than 3 sets, so maybe she thought I was just starting out with lifting? I started with just the bar when I began lifting 2 years ago, worked my way up to 105 lbs over the course of a year, stopped lifting for about 6 months, and about 6 months ago when I resumed lifting I started at 85 lbs. Saying that I should go from 135 to 45 just seems WEIRD
Been struggling with 135 lbs (45 lbs each side of the bar), doing sets of 3x3, but felt great today. Got through 1 set of 5 for the first time. Then got through the second set of 5. Failed on the 4th rep of set 3. Didn't have a spotter, two guys had to come lift the bar from chest level. (Yeah, stupid of me. Not sure why but I have been having this problem a lot lately where I push too far and end up needing a bail out. )
Girl spotting the guy next to me said that she was watching and that it wasn't a safe weight for me, that I should just stick to the bar. Wtf?
Is there a reason why someone would say this? I don't have much bulk because I never go more than 5 reps per set, or more than 3 sets, so maybe she thought I was just starting out with lifting? I started with just the bar when I began lifting 2 years ago, worked my way up to 105 lbs over the course of a year, stopped lifting for about 6 months, and about 6 months ago when I resumed lifting I started at 85 lbs. Saying that I should go from 135 to 45 just seems WEIRD
no you're fine bro there is nothing wrong with failing a set. if she had really been watching, she'd have seen you do the previous two sets without issue. i was testing my 1rm about a month ago and got 235 stuck on my chest without a spotter. random dude came and helped me get it off. that doesn't mean i should drop down by 90 pounds. just try the weight again next session and maybe get a spotter.
I took Neon Sport Volt Pre-workout it has a strong flavor and gives you a lot of energy. But the first time I took it I felt very itchy, especially in my face and elbows. It's a side effect. Second time wasn't so bad and every once in a while you feel that way. I read that the tingling sensation is from beta alanine and the most active ingredient which is caffeine.
Yeah my exact response was "No? I started with the bar 2 years ago, wtf?" Maybe she meant I should do a warm up set with just the bar?
Or maybe she should mind her own damn business? Some people...
I've taken plenty and that tingly itching feeling is old news. The rash is what stood out to me as strange.
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