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[p3tran]

http://jalopnik.com/forza-5-has-300-fewer-cars-than-forza-4-no-nurburgring-1460831891



Forza Motorsport 5 is one of the most anticipated launch titles for the new XBOX One, especially for car fanatics. But the newest car porn game has 300 fewer rides than before, and is missing some of the most celebrated tracks in the world. What's the deal?

UPDATE: Dan Greenawalt, director of Turn 10, called to talk about this. He said that Forza 2, which launched 18 months after XBOX 360 launched, had 12 tracks and 270 cars, with a lot a variants. So Forza 5 already has more cars and tracks than Forza 2, which is one of their highest rated games.

Fans deserve the best content, so they rebuilt the cars from the ground up. They started with nothing, so nothing was "cut." They feel this will give a great experience to the next gen gamer. Look at it like GT3 to GT4, which added content on the same console.

They were working on Forza 5 a year before Forza 4 came out, so they were trying to make this a launch game. Dan loves this type of challenge. Nurburgring would have to be totally recaptured and rebuilt. The shortest track took 9 months to build in Forza 5, so longer tracks would take a really long time. We continue to capture tracks and will do so in the future. Everything that is totally built now is in the game.

Everything accept withheld content(much needed) which you are charging for...

so apparently dan reads the forums....

ok dan, here's what you are going to do my friend, and help yourself from loosing all the face you have...

prepare a nice announcement, saying that :

EARLY ADOPTERS OF XBONE AND LONG TIME FANS OF FORZA MOTORSPORT SERIES, ARE IN FOR A TREAT,
BECAUSE IF THEY GET FORZA MOTORSPORT 5 UNTIL (END OF YEAR, BUT YOU CHOOSE) AND CONNECT TO XBONE LIVE,
THEY GET THE DAY 1 DLC CARS PACK FOR FREE, AND A TICKET (FREE) FOR NURBURGRING WHEN ITS READY.

this way, you keep your boss happy (but microsoft, i am STILL doing dlc) AND
you dont come across to your fans as..... well, you know as what..!
so do that, or have a SINGLE 50 euro pass that will cover for both cars AND tracks.

this "we are an extremely big team now" combined with "we worked one year before f4" does not compute with "small tracks take us > 9 months"
this is BS. (oh, and by the way forza version of ring sucks since 6 years, so you should have fixed it looong time ago, like everybody expected)

had t10 be a three man company, like kunos, these excuses might fly.
but not like this.... its like you are saying "fu" to anybody with half a working brain...

much better to come straight and say "sorry, but microsoft wants more money from game and dlc because DRM reversal", than any of this ..poor excuses.

 

[T.O.P]

Shortt Skirt, we need to get an active list of players for the new Forza so we can start adding each other and coordinating sessions.

sup

Tag: KI Heisenberg

 

[op_ivy]

Shortt Skirt, we need to get an active list of players for the new Forza so we can start adding each other and coordinating sessions.

who is working on the OT? it should be located in that post

 

[p3tran]

also those who do the OP, better take advantage of Helios offer, and bug him to provide some official material for the topic

 

[derFeef]

I want to express my excitement, but I fear to get lynched or something...

 

[p3tran]

I want to express my excitement, but I fear to get lynched or something...

go on! I know I'm ready for launch!

 

[derFeef]

Whats this from, Junior Iron Man?

 

[ShapeGSX]

RoboCop

 

[Rageous]

Okay, as a bit of a disclaimer, I've only dabbled in Forza in the past (with the exception of the fantastic Horizon), and most of my sim time went into extensive sessions in GT5. That being said, I'm actually happy they dialed back the amount of cars in this game. You check the list of all 1000+ cars slated for GT6 and the vast majority of them are either gimmicks, or patently unnecessary. What are we really going to do with 41 Skyline variants? You can already tell the level of refinement and effort put into those 200 cars far exceeds anything Polyphony has done, and that's not even taking into account what they've done for the tuning yet.

The list of tracks, however, makes me a sad panda. I've spent more time around the green monster virtually than probably any other sim track, so I was pretty bummed to see it gone.

In short:

Less cars = awesome.
Les tracks =

 

[CrudeDiatribe]

Shortt Skirt, we need to get an active list of players for the new Forza so we can start adding each other and coordinating sessions.

Pre-ordered the XB180 and FM5 yesterday. No idea when I'm going to actually get the console though.

 

[derFeef]

RoboCop

Reboot the movie industry, jesus...

 

[Terbinator]

GT: Soggy Naan

 

[Gestault]

GT: Soggy Naan

I like naan...

 

[LowerLevel]

I will definitely try to get online with you guys when family isn't an issue. At the least, I can drive against your drivetars!

GT: Low3rL3vel

Can add me anytime. Best Buy screwed my wife and I with her Surface Pro and their shitty warranty program (Thanks MS Store!) so they best honor that Xb1 pre-order or go completely on my shit list. F5 limited coming from Amazon so no worries there, just when UPS shows up...

 

[soundscream]

go on! I know I'm ready for launch!
*abominationGIF*

Dont post filth like this, it OFFENDS ME!

 

[shandy706]

So close.

 

[op_ivy]

this is really all that needs to be in the opening post.

 

[Dynamic3]

this is really all that needs to be in the opening post.

One of if not the most boring tracks in all of motorsport.

 

[adelante]

One of if not the most boring tracks in all of motorsport.

Maybe that was his point :S

 

[jem0208]

this is really all that needs to be in the opening post.

That's a seriously cool screenshot.

 

[Mobius 1]

this is really all that needs to be in the opening post.

That's a lovely screenshot.

 

[BearChair]

Autoblog has picked up on the story of fewer cars and tracks than the previous game. The folks in the comments are not happy.

It kind of makes me happy that I'm holding off a year on both new consoles before I decide what to buy. This launch seems like it going to be rocky for all involved.


http://www.autoblog.com/2013/11/10/forza-motorsport-5-fewer-cars-tracks/

 

[Rains]

Made a promise that I wouldn't.

But let's just say you are warm on one of those features...

We need to find you Sal and obtain the info by other means lol

 

[SarBear]

this is really all that needs to be in the opening post.

Actually, all we need is a pic of that Shelby MUSTANG drifting in the launch trailer. My GOD that had me going.

 

[derFeef]

From a different thread:

So it was in Montreal this weekend, brother and I went. This time Forza dudes popped out and stood on a Podium, trophy and confetti flying lol. People were filed in group of 8 for a mini race competition around a track in Forza 5. Those in the top 4 of 8 were then driven out to the nearby racetrack Gilles Villeneuve. It was wet\rainy and they had various cars there, I ended up being a passenger in a Ferrari F430. It the wet it got to about 230 kmph. Other cars there were two Lambos, Audi A8, Nissan Skyline.

 

[-MikePriester-]

Oh well, I'm a long time Forza fan and currently own LE's did have a wheel (official 360 one) and with the recent announcement of DLC cars on day one, such as the LeFerrari, I've decided not to get the Xbox One with Forza 5. It's pissed me off too much and will keep my money in my pocket for another year and decide if it's worth it then.

I suspect both Long Beach and the Behemoth have been held back for DLC (after the reddit guy posts)

Will still keep checking back everyday though :/

 

[adelante]

Actually, all we need is a pic of that Shelby MUSTANG drifting in the launch trailer. My GOD that had me going.

Not a car geek but the one thing I loved about that brief bit was the high pitch engine sound

 

[Xanadu]

Fans deserve the best content, so they rebuilt the cars from the ground up. They started with nothing.

straight up lies, wow

 

[WigerToods]

who is working on the OT? it should be located in that post

Speaking of OT!
After the recent bad news, i'm way more excited about the OT than the actual game.

 

[Paladin CL]

Okay, as a bit of a disclaimer, I've only dabbled in Forza in the past (with the exception of the fantastic Horizon), and most of my sim time went into extensive sessions in GT5. That being said, I'm actually happy they dialed back the amount of cars in this game. You check the list of all 1000+ cars slated for GT6 and the vast majority of them are either gimmicks, or patently unnecessary. What are we really going to do with 41 Skyline variants? You can already tell the level of refinement and effort put into those 200 cars far exceeds anything Polyphony has done, and that's not even taking into account what they've done for the tuning yet.

The list of tracks, however, makes me a sad panda. I've spent more time around the green monster virtually than probably any other sim track, so I was pretty bummed to see it gone.

In short:

Less cars = awesome.
Les tracks =

You are comparing it with GT5 list but actually Forza 4 car list was awesome with lots of variety and not a lot of rebundant cars, so less cars its not awesome, its a disaster and the lack of tracks is another disaster

 

[CrunchinJelly]

Dan, if you're reading this, all is not lost:

Dump a ton of Forza 4 content in to 5 wholesale and it will satisfy a lot of people. Sometimes you gotta swallow your pride.

 

[SarBear]

Not a car geek but the one thing I loved about that brief bit was the high pitch engine sound

SOLD SOLD SOLD SOLD!!!!!!!


One more to the dark side!!

 

[Paladin CL]

Dan, if you're reading this, all is not lost:

Dump a ton of Forza 4 content in to 5 wholesale and it will satisfy a lot of people. Sometimes you gotta swallow your pride.

Forza menu cars looks awesome and several Forza 4 tracks too, they will not so out of place like Standard cars and Tracks in GT5.

 

[cbox]

Forza menu cars looks awesome and several Forza 4 tracks too, they will not so out of place like Standard cars and Tracks in GT5.

I've fired up forza 4 the past 2 days and yes, this would be a perfect option. Most of the tracks look great, and considering I looked past the flaws of most ported GT5 tracks, I won't mind this in forza also.

 

[Marky Mark]

Mt Panorama trailer, but it's a terribly weak trailer and mostly just talks about the Xbox One car at Bathurst this year:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCftQRqWHvk

 

[Gouda Jouji]

Mt Panorama trailer, but it's a terribly weak trailer and mostly just talks about the Xbox One car at Bathurst this year:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCftQRqWHvk

Weird that they don't have the VF Commodore.

 

[Marky Mark]

Or the Xbox One car they dedicated the majority of the trailer to.

 

[op_ivy]

Mt Panorama trailer, but it's a terribly weak trailer and mostly just talks about the Xbox One car at Bathurst this year:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCftQRqWHvk

what little clips they showed looked terrific. replay cameras? someone gif that shit

 

[soul creator]

just saw Rush

holy shit, that was pretty much the best advertisement for any racing game, lol. I kinda wanna go all the way and get a steering wheel and Forza with my Xbox One now. I might even do something really crazy and use manual instead of automatic in a racing game for once!

 

[malfcn]

Can you custom paint your vehicle? Back in the day my fiancee put a Chocobo on her machine.

 

[saladine1]

Nice intro of Peter Brock's Torana in that Bathurst video
Track looks great!

Rancho Cucamonga, CA. (Nov. 8). – Falken Tire, a manufacturer of high performance on- and off-road tires, will continue its strong relationship with Microsoft in anticipation of the launch of Forza Motorsport 5 by conducting a special design contest for its newest Formula Drift entry.

Currently the best-rated videogame racing franchise of the past 10 years, the new Forza Motorsport 5 game is slated to be released on the “all-in-one games and entertainment system” – according to Microsoft officials – the new Xbox One. In anticipation of the November 22 launch, Forza Motorsport 5 will be at the heart of a nine-week promotional effort Falken Tire has set in motion beginning late November. The contest will encourage gamers and Falken Tire customers from around the world to submit their design for the new Subaru BRZ competition car to be driven by 2011 Formula D Champion Daijiro “Dai” Yoshihara for the 2014 drift season.

“Falken Tire is again reaching out to the Forza online community to ask people to create their own one-of-a-kind Falken livery for Team Falken’s new Subaru BRZ,” said Nick Fousekis, Falken Director of Motorsports Marketing. “We are asking players to submit their Forza 5 Motorsport screenshot-based designs to Falken Tire’s Facebook page.”

“The winning design will live on Dai’s Subaru BRZ for the entire season,” declared Jonathon Bradford, Team Falken’s Formula Drift Supervisor. “Being a part of this very important network of Forza Motorsport players is key to building awareness of our brand as well as the Formula Drift Championship,” he stressed. “We suspect there’s a very strong crossover among fans and participants of both sports, and they’re also likely Falken customers.”

http://falkentire.com/news-events/2013/11/falken-tire-invites-forza-motorsport-5-players-design-livery-team-falken-formula

What it looks like.

 

[Mascot]

Mt Panorama trailer, but it's a terribly weak trailer and mostly just talks about the Xbox One car at Bathurst this year:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCftQRqWHvk

Switched off after 1:30 when Wendl started to insult the intelligence of every Forza fan out there.

"Bathurst has been one of our most highly requested tracks throughout the history of the franchise. We've been wanting to put it in but honestly the technology wasn't there to do it justice".

Jesus wept. Why do they say these things?

 

[jizzlobber]

Yup, when v8 supercars did a decent job of it on the original xbox

 

[derFeef]

what little clips they showed looked terrific. replay cameras? someone gif that shit

The B-Roll should be out there, Giantbomb used that for the event impressions too.

Yup, when v8 supercars did a decent job of it on the original xbox

That was developed by T10?

 

[jizzlobber]

No but the tech was good enough for codemasters to produce a fairly accurate version

 

[eso76]

what little clips they showed looked terrific. replay cameras? someone gif that shit

those were certainly genuine replay cameras. Not sure about those shown in the mc laren vid, but these clearly are Forzacams.

Those 2 seconds, i mean

 

[ComputerMKII]

I don't play racing sims but what's the consensus on which is the better one - Gran Turismo or Forza?

 

[guitarhero]

I don't play racing sims but what's the consensus on which is the better one - Gran Turismo or Forza?

No. Just no. Not on this thread.

You want THIS one: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=687291

 

[p3tran]

^
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I don't play racing sims but what's the consensus on which is the better one - Gran Turismo or Forza?

both games are the best of their kind, both games are the best in their respective platform.
for further analysis on that and the details, you must use another topic
but forza here is jumping to the advantage of new hardware, while gt remains bounded by old h/w.

 

[Seanspeed]

I don't play racing sims but what's the consensus on which is the better one - Gran Turismo or Forza?

No concensus whatsoever. Both are extremely good games in their own ways.