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Fullmetal Alchemist - Brotherhood Official Discussion Thread
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duckroll said:Hey, I was trying to sleep and I started thinking about something, and I just couldn't stop thinking about it. It's bugging the hell out of me.
Okay, so in the first series, the Uroboros logo's center is made up of 6 small triangles that kinda form the Star of David. In the manga, the center of the logo is always drawn clearly as the Star of David, with no attempt to shy away from it. Now we're on the remake, and while pretty much all the designs are much closer to the manga versions, the Uroboros logo looks EXACTLY like the one in the first series.
What gives? Is there some censorship law I'm not aware of? Why would anyone in Japan care about the Star of David so much that they would be bothered by it being in the Uroboros logo?
Help!
I'm assuming it's the station/time slot the show airs. A similar situation happened with One Piece and White Beard's symbol having the Nazi swastika in it.
Kreed said:
Well, that's what I'm trying to understand though. I *know* why the swastika is frowned upon especially for free-to-air stuff. What I don't understand is why showing the Star of David would be offensive. I'm not jewish, but wouldn't it be no different from showing a cross or crucifix, or a Buddha statue? It's just a religious icon.
Halycon said:
That scene doesn't exist in the first anime. Huge divergence in storyline.
Masked Man
I said wow
Halycon said:
I don't remember ever seeing it in the anime, and I haven't read that far yet, so I haven't seen it for myself, but it seems like it happens in the manga.
Also, I hid your quote for those who don't want manga spoilers.
duckroll said:
Perhaps then it involves the context of
the Homunculi being "evil," so they don't want to use such blatant religious imagery with the "bad guys" so as not to send an anti-semitic message.
Kreed said:
Well, the issue that I have here is that it clearly doesn't seem to be a problem for the manga, and the manga is by no means less popular than the anime. Recent volumes of the manga continue to sell about a million copies in Japan each, and it's serialized in Shounen Gangan, which is targeted at kids and published by Square Enix.
If that's considered okay, why the extra sensitivity for the TV series? Or could it just be BONES?
Masked Man
I said wow
duckroll said:
Hm, I'm really not sure. I'm not familiar enough with the differences between print and visual media in terms of censorship and cultural sensitivity. The last series had the same design, so I'm guessing it's not just BONES and more something about Japanese television / visual media as a whole. I'm really interested now!
EDIT: Never mind, the post disappeared. :lol
duckroll said:
With the anime release there are different factors to take into account than the manga release. Television guidelines/standards, the time slot, the rules of the station itself, and as you mentioned Bones. They could all be factors in this.
Going back to the One Piece example, there are many times where the series anime counter part has been censored over the manga version beyond the Nazi symbol simply because of it's time slot, even though both have young males as the main target audience. Even in a recent episode of One Piece, a scene where a character that was shown "flipping the bird" in the manga version was cut. And the reairing of Dragon Ball Z (Dragon Ball Kai) is being censored because of the station/time slot differences.
Masked Man
I said wow
Halycon said:
By the same token,
the Nazis weren't really visually manifested until the film, which is a different medium and less restricted by censorship, presumably.
I think coming up with original ideas like that in the first series wasn't too bad at all. My issue with their priorities in the first series was stuff like
I mean seriously, did they really think that any fans would LIKE that? lolz.
keeping Tucker alive, and bringing Frank Archer back as a terminator.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Episode five = wowzam, the animation was so fluid.
was the best thing of the finale, however.
duckroll said:
Terminator Archer
Masked Man
I said wow
Regulus Tera said:
Eh, I just found him kind of obnoxious.
Hawkeye running up to Mustang after he collapses in a pool of blood on the porch of Bradley's mansion, however...
"Dammit, Roy Mustang!"
I got a chill just thinking about it. ;_;
"Dammit, Roy Mustang!"
I got a chill just thinking about it. ;_;
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
duckroll said:
robots it was earth all along!
CurseoftheGods said:
I'm not going to answer your question, but let me say something:
Stop thinking of the first anime series. DO NOT ASSUME ANYTHING ABOUT CHARACTERS OR RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN CHARACTERS THAT HAS NOT YET BEEN REVEALED IN BROTHERHOOD. Treat this like a new series.
god, how hard is it for people to understand it when we say that the manga and first anime are completely different, and that this series should be treated as a fresh slate, despite how similar some of the earlier episodes may appear? >_<
When I say do not assume anything about characters, that includes everything about them. Whether they exist or not. What they look like. What they can do. Their personalities. Their names. What they've done in the past. Do not assume ANYTHING.
Masked Man
I said wow
GaimeGuy said:
...So, is this a remake or a continuation of the first series?
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
And thank you for not answering that question, even with spoiler tags. I haven't read much of the manga, and the temptation might have been too much. :lol
Looking back it's kind of crazy just how much filler there was early on in the first FMA anime. After five episodes, we're basically where they were at the end of episode #
. And for those of you who think this is too fast of a pace: Trust me, if they're going to get through the entire manga in ~50 episodes, this pace is necessary.
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GaimeGuy said:
The "50 episodes" cap is one of the issues I have with this whole thing. I would have rather them had not focus on any "fixed" number of episodes and just try to do the best/most faithful manga adaption they could.
I haven't really had much of an issue with what's going on because so far the episodes, excluding the first, have been pretty faithful right down to the skits, and they've only cut a few minor adventures/trimmed some unimportant fat. The latest episode being another example of being very faithful with a few changes here and there like
Scar already knowing who Ed was, vs finding out while a random soldier is checking up on Ed.
But once they get to the new manga content I really don't want to see anything important getting sacrificed/sped up just so they can end the series at a certain number of episodes. So far there's no reason to believe they'll do this but who knows if they begin feeling pressure from the episode cap? Hopefully the episode number isn't set in stone and they can add more in case they need more "breathing room" as far as content.
Well, Apparently an interview with one of the producers from like late february or so said they haven't decided on an ep cap. On the other hand, Animax Asia confirmed that they will be subbing and airing 51 episodes, implying that there will be 51 episodes.
Then again, it could simply be that Animax knew there were at least 51 episodes, and so they signed a deal for the first 51, and will sign with the others later.
... I guess we don't really know, you're right. I don't think it'll be 100 episodes, or even 75. If it were going to be more than 51 eps, it might be 64 or 65 (since a season is around 13 eps).
if it were 64 or 65 eps, though, that might mean the manga will be around 105 chapters, since I'm sure they'll design it so that the anime and manga end around the same time.
Then again, it could simply be that Animax knew there were at least 51 episodes, and so they signed a deal for the first 51, and will sign with the others later.
... I guess we don't really know, you're right. I don't think it'll be 100 episodes, or even 75. If it were going to be more than 51 eps, it might be 64 or 65 (since a season is around 13 eps).
if it were 64 or 65 eps, though, that might mean the manga will be around 105 chapters, since I'm sure they'll design it so that the anime and manga end around the same time.
CurseoftheGods
Banned
GaimeGuy said:
Why are you being so mean to me? :"(
Masked Man
I said wow
CurseoftheGods said:
It wasn't mean--just a little intimidating, haha... And perhaps a little overzealous because of the people who ask the much more basic "Is this a continuation?" even though that question is answered in the OP.
He just wants you to be able to appreciate the series for what it is: an entirely different entity from the first anime. I had the same inclination as you did at first, but I have since trained myself to watch the series without expectations, since I haven't read the manga.
Basically, the best approach is to push the first series from your mind and enjoy FMA: Brotherhood as a wholly different experience.
Auron_Kale
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Saw episode 5 yesterday and I thought it was another great episode.
Probably my favorite thing about Brotherhood is the look of it, as all of the environments remind me of watercolor paintings or the painted canvas look of Valkyria Chronicles.
Scar was definitely more ruthless and dangerous this time around and I found Riza's takedown of Roy much funnier than before. I also really like how much more expressive the characters are in this series, though it may be due to the manga's humor being injected into the character expressions.
Probably my favorite thing about Brotherhood is the look of it, as all of the environments remind me of watercolor paintings or the painted canvas look of Valkyria Chronicles.
Scar was definitely more ruthless and dangerous this time around and I found Riza's takedown of Roy much funnier than before. I also really like how much more expressive the characters are in this series, though it may be due to the manga's humor being injected into the character expressions.
Liza is so hot without the alchemist coat. I lol'd at Roy acting all badass then "oops it's raining fuckkkkkkkk" Liza was awesome.
I enjoyed the episode, I thought the animation was alright... Not amazing, but it was decent. I don't think we are going to see a big budget episode yet (aside from the first one I guess), specially since they are basically still covering old stuff.
I enjoyed the episode, I thought the animation was alright... Not amazing, but it was decent. I don't think we are going to see a big budget episode yet (aside from the first one I guess), specially since they are basically still covering old stuff.
Yeah but I can't think of a BONES series that been longer than 51 episodes, in fact I don't think they have ever done one.
Scar is a total badass. Even more so than he was in the first series.
On a sidenote about pacing. I consider something to be paced too fast when some plot is skipped, or not fully explained. Here though, it's just that nearly everything that happens is important in some way. Means I get great mileage out of my time watching.
On a sidenote about pacing. I consider something to be paced too fast when some plot is skipped, or not fully explained. Here though, it's just that nearly everything that happens is important in some way. Means I get great mileage out of my time watching.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Just watched it... there's not much to say about the series yet, that's all.
Masked Man
I said wow
Haven't seen it yet... I haven't seen last week's yet, either! <_>;;
Auron_Kale
Member
Nice, quiet episode (mostly stuck to meeting Dr. Marcoh as well as Ed & Al getting patched up).
Next week's should be a fun episode.
Next week's should be a fun episode.
Chapter 95 was just released. Chapters are a meaty 40-50 pages, serialized monthly Arakawa has said she doesn't want it to go past 100 chapters. Some speculate that it could go to 105 chapters, since that would make it finish about two weeks before Brotherhood if Brotherhood were to be 64/65 eps rather than 51.Haunted said:
Material from the first 15-20 chapters was somewhat recycled at various points, non-sequentially, in the first FMA anime, although significant parts of the manga chapters were often altered in the first anime adaptation. You should be seeing huge differences between Brotherhood and the first anime not in ep 7, but in ep 8 and beyond, since the events of (spoilers on locations)
the 5th lab and Dublith are immensely different between the manga and the first anime. Especially Dublith
patrickthehedgehog
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Missed the first series and I'm in love with Brotherhood. The new director hasn't really directed much, but he's worked on the animation of a lot of great shows. I don't know what's reused from the old show, but everything seems great to me. Armstrong is awesome!
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