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[Seductivpancakes]

GW and Meera Reed are my favorite characters

they're both underrated

Especially Meera. She kept a strong after her brother died and still continued to help Bran.

 

[gun_haver]

Unsullied are dead, no way back

Dany might fly over with the dragons to escort them. The dragons could probably wipe out an army of infantry with a flew fly-bys.

 

[robotzombie]

I just realized how to get Dany to believe in White Walkers. Jorah is going to come back, explain how he was cured by Sam and vouch for him, Jon if he is still there will say how they are friends and Sam will confirm all of the stories.

 

[megalowho]

How is it that some characters are literally teleporting all around Westeros and then you have characters like Bran or Arya where it takes them multiple episodes to get from one location to another?

I mean, I'm all for not showing characters travelling and saving time, but apply that shit equally.

That's easy enough to reconcile, the timelines for the different storylines aren't all happening side by side. You could have plugged Arya's scene with Hot Pie into episode 3 and showed her decision to head north then if it mattered that much.

 

[RDreamer]

I just realized how to get Dany to believe in White Walkers. Jorah is going to come back, explain how he was cured by Sam and vouch for him, Jon if he is still there will say how they are friends and Sam will confirm all of the stories.

If they were going that route then they should have had Sam and Jorah talk about white walkers or something. They didn't, though.

 

[Netherscourge]

Dany might fly over with the dragons to escort them. The dragons could probably wipe out an army of infantry with a flew fly-bys.

This is probably what will happen.

And she might even let Jon ride one along side her, after the dragons get a whiff of his half-Targaryen blood and feel a bizarre, natural affinity with him.

Maybe Davos will get to ride the third one?

 

[The Artisan]

That's probably a card you try to save for the trickier allies to get, and since Tyrion knew Jon he probably thought he'd be easier to talk with and bring into the fold. Jon also strikes me and would strike Tyrion as someone that doesn't fucking want to rule the 7 kingdoms. Dany should probably marry someone for an alliance that does want to.

That plus I'm wondering how much Tyrion thinks Jon Snow even has control of the north. He's a Snow, and yes they've sworn to him now but if he marries Dany right off the bat they might just say fuck it. At least if he bends the knee and they all say fuck Jon then Dany hasn't actually given up anything.

They probably still will end up together though...

Fuck yes. I'm counting on it

Yeah, Jon doesn't want the iron throne. Neither did the Greyjoys so why can't she just grant him independence? Yara called herself Queen of the II so why can't just just stay kitn and be an ally to her?

 

[FStubbs]

I wonder how that will do anything. Depends on how many ballistas they make.

One ballista is fired and misses a dragon in flight (good luck hitting that), they'll be immediately aware of them and Dany could just order the dragons to burn them all as fast as possible. I don't see what's preventing that.

Euron won't miss.

 

[robotzombie]

If they were going that route then they should have had Sam and Jorah talk about white walkers or something. They didn't, though.

I'm thinking Dany might summon Sam to reward him or something, and Jon will be there mining the Dragonglass, they don't necessarily have to set it up with Sam and Jorah talking about white walkers, especially if there is no reason for them to have that conversation randomly

 

[pestul]

Does everyone text while watching.

Spoiler

They literally mentioned their remaining ships when Dany was talking about using her Dragons to destroy Euron.

Sorry just missed it. That seems like 'too many' boats to me given what Euron has just accomplished, but it makes sense keeping some for an eventual Dothraki invasion.

 

[RDreamer]

Fuck yes. I'm counting on it

Yeah, Jon doesn't want the iron throne. Neither did the Greyjoys so why can't she just grant him independence? Yara called herself Queen of the II so why can't just just stay kitn and be an ally to her?

I mean, she has to draw the line at some point. She can't just let everyone be their own kingdom or else she has no one to actually rule. Yara was going to be queen of the iron islands I think because of a sort of female camaraderie that came up in that conversation, but also because who the fuck cares about one island. It's strategic. Letting go of like half the kingdom's land size and a very important part of the 7 kingdoms would be terrible precedent though.

 

[RS4-]

Gonna drop the show if it's revealed that Tyrion is the guy that is fucking things up on purpose.

 

[pestul]

I hope Jorah has a touching moment with Dany and then goes off with Jon to the North to get reconciliation from Lady Mormont. We need a bad ass fight scene out of Jorah at least similar in scope to Selmy's last one.

 

[Seductivpancakes]

I hope Jorah has a touching moment with Dany and then goes off with Jon to the North to get reconciliation from Lady Mormont. We need a bad ass fight scene out of Jorah at least similar in scope to Selmy's last one.

Since we don't know any of the Dothraki, Jorah will be Dany's only advisor of war. GW is more of a field commander and Tyrion is not up to the task.

I think he needs to be by her side.

 

[Einchy]

I hope Jorah has a touching moment with Dany and then goes off with Jon to the North to get reconciliation from Lady Mormont. We need a bad ass fight scene out of Jorah at least similar in scope to Selmy's last one.

Dany is gonna love having Jorah around again. One of the most emotional moments in the show is how broken up she was when she found out Jorah had Greyscale, especially more when she left Daario and she didn't give a single fuck.

 

[FStubbs]

Since Lady Olenna went out like a boss... and admitted she poisoned Joffrey... does this acquit Tyrion in the eyes of Jamie and possibly Cersei?

It acquits Sansa somewhat. Tyrion still killed Tywin. Plus Cersei doesn't need a reason to want Tyrion dead.

 

[Psychoward]

Grey Worm sucks. Meera is pretty good in the 5 seconds she's on screen though.

 

[Volimar]

Grey Worm sucks. Meera is pretty good in the 5 seconds she's on screen though.

Of course, Meera Targaryan is the princess who was promised.

 

[Jackpot]

There are so many techniques that could be used to show the passage of time but they don't use any of them.

Euron and Jamie were both in King's Landing but managed to go to opposite ends of the country a few scenes later.

 

[The Artisan]

Especially Meera. She kept a strong after her brother died and still continued to help Bran.

she's had such little screentime this season 2. like, 4 lines in the first episode, and 0 lines in this scene she was practically a cameo. come on this season is so short you gotta show us everyone

I mean, she has to draw the line at some point. She can't just let everyone be their own kingdom or else she has no one to actually rule. Yara was going to be queen of the iron islands I think because of a sort of female camaraderie that came up in that conversation, but also because who the fuck cares about one island. It's strategic. Letting go of like half the kingdom's land size and a very important part of the 7 kingdoms would be terrible precedent though.

It's still something Tyrion could've pointed out. "Your grace, we granted independence to the II, Jon Snow here seems to be a good ruler, just looking out for the good of his people? Why not just let him do that?"

But yeah that's true that if in theory, each of the kingdoms had their own monarchs then what does that make her. She could name herself like an arch-Queen of the 7 kingdoms, that's the leader of the other kings & queens

 

[The Artisan]

Grey Worm sucks. Meera is pretty good in the 5 seconds she's on screen though.

How come you don't like GW?

edit: sorry for double post

 

[pestul]

I thought the best acted scene was definitely Jamie and Olenna for this episode. The dialogue was great. Nikolaj Coster-Waldau is top-tier when it comes to facial reactions.

 

[The Artisan]

so just to be clear about the battle at Casterly Rock, GW didn't lose men on the ships, did he? All those ships were unloaded I'm guessing and on shore and Euron was essentially just trapping & stranding them there?

Or were there a bunch of men on the ships and most of the Unsullied are dead now?

 

[Einchy]

so just to be clear about the battle at Casterly Rock, GW didn't lose men on the ships, did he? All those ships were unloaded I'm guessing and on shore and Euron was essentially just trapping & stranding them there?

Or were there a bunch of men on the ships and most of the Unsullied are dead now?

Chances are he lost people but not a significant amount, that was mostly about his ships getting destroyed and being stuck on land.

 

[Volimar]

so just to be clear about the battle at Casterly Rock, GW didn't lose men on the ships, did he? All those ships were unloaded I'm guessing and on shore and Euron was essentially just trapping & stranding them there?

Or were there a bunch of men on the ships and most of the Unsullied are dead now?

The crews are likely a goner, but considering there were far fewer Lannister than expected, I'm confident that most of the Unsullied are still alive. Now they'll have to march across Westeros to return to Dragonstone. We'll see how well the fare at that since they've been cut off from their supplies and the Lannisters took all the food when they left.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

so just to be clear about the battle at Casterly Rock, GW didn't lose men on the ships, did he? All those ships were unloaded I'm guessing and on shore and Euron was essentially just trapping & stranding them there?

Or were there a bunch of men on the ships and most of the Unsullied are dead now?

I assume this will only lead to Dany riding Dragons there.

 

[The Artisan]

Chances are he lost people but not a significant amount, that was mostly about his ships getting destroyed and being stuck on land.

Damn. Well, better hope there is food on the rock for the Unsullied to survive on.

Also I think Euron's only advantage is in the water. If the Greyjoy army went on shore to take on the Unsullied I think they'd be lost.

 

[Tawpgun]

There are so many techniques that could be used to show the passage of time but they don't use any of them.

Euron and Jamie were both in King's Landing but managed to go to opposite ends of the country a few scenes later.

So you wanted to wait to do both battles until next episode, maybe blowing an entire episode for them? Maybe you wanted a nice 15 minute boat ride with Euron and.... his mute crew?

Maybe you want a nice Jamie and Bronn scene? Ok fair enough Bronn kicks ass. He will be in next episode. But its still just fluff.

 

[HotHamBoy]

How come you don't like GW?

edit: sorry for double post

Greyworm sucks because he is a bland ass dude. No personality at all.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

Greyworm sucks because he is a bland ass dude. No personality at all.

Well... that's kinda the point of an Unsullied.

 

[Mithrarin]

I wonder if Dany will recall the vision she had in the house of the undying and take the Nightking/White Walker threat more serious eventually.

Besides that Dany/Tyrion and Jon/Davos being together in one room is just priceless. I loved that scene.

 

[The Artisan]

The crews are likely a goner, but considering there were far fewer Lannister than expected, I'm confident that most of the Unsullied are still alive. Now they'll have to march across Westeros to return to Dragonstone. We'll see how well the fare at that since they've been cut off from their supplies and the Lannisters took all the food when they left.

Nah I don't think they'll have to march anywhere just yet.
If things are comfortable at the rock then they can just send a raven to Dragonstone asking what to do next.

I assume this will only lead to Dany riding Dragons there.

going by the trailers and next episode preview

Spoiler

I think Dany will ride dragons and ambush the Tarly and Lannister army with the Dothraki. Jaime tries to take a dragon head on because he has that spear in his hand

I don't think the Unsullied will be involved...but who knows.

 

[Randy Lanzarote]

Two major battles for the control of Westeros over in almost the same time it took for Jorah to be declared free of greyscale, and Sam to be given a minor ticking off.


😕


Also, Cersei is seemingly now the greatest tactician in the world. She's come a long way from the person who got played by a shoeless zealot.

 

[Dahbomb]

God damn Dany taking all these L's as soon as she landed on Westeros. Probably took more L's in 3 episodes than she did in 6 seasons!

This is the game we play. Cersei felt like the underdog going into this but somehow she has flipped the odds almost entirely. Dany got Da King in Da North and Dragons left alongside Dothraki against most of Westeros.

Need a Will Smith edited "Welcome To Earf" gif for this situation.

 

[Einchy]

Also, Cersei is seemingly now the greatest tactician in the world. She's come a long way from the person who got played by a shoeless zealot.

That was Jaime's plan.

Also, come on, the Pope was good as hell at the game. He even got the Tyrells.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

The crews are likely a goner, but considering there were far fewer Lannister than expected, I'm confident that most of the Unsullied are still alive. Now they'll have to march across Westeros to return to Dragonstone. We'll see how well the fare at that since they've been cut off from their supplies and the Lannisters took all the food when they left.

This "far fewer Lannister than expected" point is starting to confuse me. Casterly Rock isn't just a fortress filled with soldiers; it's the seat of House Lannister, which means you have civilians living there too. Women, children, etc. Where did they all go? And if you're going to let your enemy take the castle anyway (you've moved out all the civilians and emptied the food stores in preparation of that specific event), why leave behind anyone at all? Even if it's just a hundred soldiers, that's a hundred fewer you now have for the actual battle you're preparing for. You just sacrificed them for nothing, which is not just poor for troop morale, it doesn't make any sense strategically. Let the Unsullied storm the castle, burn their ships, fine... why throw in a few sacrificial pieces that you don't actually need to waste?

 

[Curufinwe]

Greyworm sucks because he is a bland ass dude. No personality at all.

Going after GW is kind of a dick move.

 

[Psychoward]

How come you don't like GW?

edit: sorry for double post

How come you do?

 

[Einchy]

How come you do?

 

[soundscream]

Damn. Well, better hope there is food on the rock for the Unsullied to survive on.

Also I think Euron's only advantage is in the water. If the Greyjoy army went on shore to take on the Unsullied I think they'd be lost.

Jamie said they emptied out everything before they left.

Spoiler

I swear half of you guys must be multitasking while watching, half of the questions posted in here are usually answered through dialog on the show.

 

[Curufinwe]

Jamie said they emptied out everything before they left.

Spoiler

I swear half of you guys must be multitasking while watching, half of the questions posted in here are usually answered through dialog on the show.

That's every GAF GoT thread ever.

 

[The Artisan]

How come you do?

Greyworm sucks because he is a bland ass dude. No personality at all.

GW is a young man who was chosen to be the leader of an army, an army that has at least 8,000 foot soldiers in it. I don't know much about Star Wars but GW is like the "Finn" of Thrones in this regard, seeing the perspective of a someone who was born, raised, and bred to be a fighter and killer - and being fucking mutilated as a child in the process.

His crossing paths with Missandei shows what someone might go through physically mentally and emotionally without being physically mentally or emotionally whole in the first place - I think the whole castration thing probably had effects on him other than reproductive. We see him trying to be a leader and doing what he was made for; he is wounded in the process and when thought he was going to die, his last thoughts were for those he was fighting for.

"Ser Barristan...I failed him. I failed my men. I failed my Queen."

This proves to me that

-he respected Ser Barristan as a comrade; just as a viewer I have to say that was a nice touch since iirc, he and Barristan had no other screentime together, no mention or conversations or anything but GW did everything he could to try and save his life and felt fucking guilty of it when he woke up, realized he was alive and Barristan wasn't.

-he respects his comrades. Instead of being an arrogant leader and treating his soldiers like vermin, as that slaveowner did that sold him & the Usullied to Dany, he sees them as equals. Perhaps maybe even as brothers, like Jon sees the Night's Watch. They shall take no women and bear no children, and must look out for each other. And during that battle with the Harpy assholes, all of them in his squad die. All of them except for him and he felt broken for being the sole survivor.

Then in the previous episode we learn how he earned command of the Unsullied. He was never the biggest or the strongest but he was always the bravest; his men recognized him for it and chose him as their commander.

Growing up to becoming an Unsullied soldier is a very scarring process, GW probably never knew he would be the Commander of an army that serves a dragon queen, and we've seen now how this character has unfolded and I believe he's an all around good character. Not a main character but he's still an important piece to the story. He's also one of the only black characters; I know this show & source is based on medieval Europe like LOTR so knowing that, it's just great to have a black character on the show despite that. Salladhor Saan was a good character too for like the 3 total scenes he was in for the show.

So I wholeheartedly disagree. GW ain't bland and he got a good, strong personality.

 

[soundscream]

That's every GAF GoT thread ever.

But why?

 

[Seductivpancakes]

Greyworm sucks because he is a bland ass dude. No personality at all.

Well yeah and him trying to stand out and be an individual is like his whole shtick.

 

[Volimar]

This "far fewer Lannister than expected" point is starting to confuse me. Casterly Rock isn't just a fortress filled with soldiers; it's the seat of House Lannister, which means you have civilians living there too. Women, children, etc. Where did they all go? And if you're going to let your enemy take the castle anyway (you've moved out all the civilians and emptied the food stores in preparation of that specific event), why leave behind anyone at all? Even if it's just a hundred soldiers, that's a hundred fewer you now have for the actual battle you're preparing for. You just sacrificed them for nothing, which is not just poor for troop morale, it doesn't make any sense strategically. Let the Unsullied storm the castle, burn their ships, fine... why throw in a few sacrificial pieces that you don't actually need to waste?

Even if the Lannisters were outnumbered ten to one they can to a lot of damage to the Unsullied numbers from behind their walls. If you have the men to throw away, it's worth it for thinning out the Unsullied as best you can.

 

[adamantypants]

I just realized how to get Dany to believe in White Walkers. Jorah is going to come back, explain how he was cured by Sam and vouch for him, Jon if he is still there will say how they are friends and Sam will confirm all of the stories.

The thing that annoys me about the whole whitewalker disbelief is that people readily accept that there's a disease that turns you into stonemen, dragons are a fact of life, Dany herself was reborn in fire, and people can literally be brought back from the dead. But whitewalkers is just foolish.

That's easy enough to reconcile, the timelines for the different storylines aren't all happening side by side. You could have plugged Arya's scene with Hot Pie into episode 3 and showed her decision to head north then if it mattered that much.

Agreed. I stopped caring about story timelines a long time ago. The only reason Arya's journey took an extra episode was because they needed the Hotpie scene. John takes less than half an episode to get to Dragonstone because nothing eventful happens on the journey.

 

[Einchy]

Even if the Lannisters were outnumbered ten to one they can to a lot of damage to the Unsullied numbers from behind their walls. If you have the men to throw away, it's worth it for thinning out the Unsullied as best you can.

Jaimie also didn't know about the tunnel, so if things could've gone a bit more on Jaime's side, they'd have kept them out of the city for longer.

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

That scene pissed me off to no end... like dude, she clearly doesn't know what your talking about, NO ONE DOES. Just touch the tree or something and grab her hand and take her to your visions... done and done.

All that dialogue in Winterfell was weird this episode.

Don't even know what in the flying fuck Littlefinger was talking about or where he was going with that.

"If you think of everything in every concievable universe, nothing will surprise you."

"Okay..."

Seems like everyone there is just messing with Sansa.

Unsullied are dead, no way back

That could be the case. They are also in a foreign land. Where most of them don't even speak the language? Best case scenario for them is Dany taking her Dragons to rescue and guide them.

How is it that some characters are literally teleporting all around Westeros and then you have characters like Bran or Arya where it takes them multiple episodes to get from one location to another?

I mean, I'm all for not showing characters travelling and saving time, but apply that shit equally.

Same. I'm fine with the time jumps, but this is my biggest problem. If you are going to have time jumps, you got to make it atleast logically consistent for the viewer.

 

[Freshmaker]

Getting rid of Euron's fleet is my guess

If she tries that, I hope he randomly steals a dragon from her.

 

[Tuturu Jones]

This "far fewer Lannister than expected" point is starting to confuse me. Casterly Rock isn't just a fortress filled with soldiers; it's the seat of House Lannister, which means you have civilians living there too. Women, children, etc. Where did they all go? And if you're going to let your enemy take the castle anyway (you've moved out all the civilians and emptied the food stores in preparation of that specific event), why leave behind anyone at all? Even if it's just a hundred soldiers, that's a hundred fewer you now have for the actual battle you're preparing for. You just sacrificed them for nothing, which is not just poor for troop morale, it doesn't make any sense strategically. Let the Unsullied storm the castle, burn their ships, fine... why throw in a few sacrificial pieces that you don't actually need to waste?

Casterly Rock is an impenetrable fortress, the unsullied wouldn't've been able to take it without the secret sewage passage.