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Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Totally agree. It's getting sad.
Had to ultimately give on the LOST threads around here for the similar reasons (and that's even where I got my tag).
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Totally agree. It's getting sad.
Had to ultimately give on the LOST threads around here for the similar reasons (and that's even where I got my tag).
Pimpin.
dead souls
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Is this part of your post a joke? 7 million an episode is a staggeringly large budget for an hour long television drama.
They were good, but it just rips out time they could have been doing the other things in the book instead.
Jon previously seemed to catch and notice details that others didn't. Like he followed that incest guy and found out about what he did to the sons.
And wasn't he chosen to be the assistant of the head guy and given the sword because they saw him as someone who could lead? And they allowed him into a very small group where it was important to not make mistakes or drag the group down. They were going to do some special secret stuff in the Wildling's territory. You don't bring an unskilled or dumb guy to something so important. And they obviously trusted him enough to leave him alone to execute the girl.
I had no indication at all that he's supposed to be dumb and isn't as skilled.
Everything I got so far was that he's skilled and smart. But the last two episodes he seemed so clueless.
The Xaro thing isn't a huge deal. I was just posting what immediately came to mind about the last episode. It just made me go "huh?" when it went right from "I would never" to "I did."
But maybe my opinion on that is biased because I just don't like Dany in general and that was a Dany scene.
Why should HBO shows be compared to TV budgets when their revenue streams are closer to films? They get the subscription money, money from the cable companies, AND home video sales.
Yes, HBO budgets are high compared to tv shows, but compared to movies? Your average action adventure movie has about a 100 million budget these days for 2 hours. So that's around 500 million for 10 hours and those movies are no where near as successful as GoT is doing worldwide.
HBO underbudgets their stuff because they can do it and make huge profit margins in the process. GoT, with its insane ratings and home video sales could and should easily be getting double the budget per season that it currently has.
Summer Isles?
It wasn't meant to be a real-world scenario (not like we can affect the outcome anyway). I just thought it would be interesting to see how people prioritized given those options (+4 more seasons, or +1 final book)
For example?
JoJoShabadoo
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I won't bitch about the show anymore if someone can .gif the Jaime mob scene. The staggering drunk extras, the tiny tap on Jaime's shin, the guy that can't control the horse, the branch getting stuck between the mob, etc. There's too much material. If this show were considered garbage everyone would use that scene as an example of how much of a parody this show is.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
That doesn't say anything standing alone about whether the show is profitable.
He couldn't handle the girl.
After he couldn't kill her, he just stood there and waited to get knocked over. And then he chased her until he got separated from his group. In wildling territory.
After that, he continues to lead her around on a rope. Why? At this point, he should be trying to head back to his group. Why is he even bringing her? He should've just let her go if he wasn't going to kill her and get back to his group. What could he have hoped for by bringing her back to the group?
And he kept falling for her tricks and getting tripped (never learning from his mistakes) and everything and that he could never respond to any of the things she says with anything other than "be quiet".
And he knows that there are wildlings and the monsters out there. He even killed one of them and saw a baby get taken away by one of them. He knows the dangers, but risks it all for nothing. His priority should be to get back to his group.
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There's a lot of assumptions
that at some point she'll be forced to return to Westeros to assassinate a major character. Since her training for the last couple of books has concentrated on her losing her identy and abandoning her past and family (sort of like Jon only not just words but actually reprogramming her brain), many of us feel she may be asked/forced to kill a member of her own family.
HBO has said in the past that they get the majority of their profits from the DVD sales, since it's hard to figure a show's direct profit comparing new subs vs. audience.
Since the DVD/Blu Ray sold record amounts, I think they're comfortable.
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Did I say that it did? I'm merely pointing out that 7 million per ep is a sizable budget even by HBO's standards. Benioff & Weiss should be happy they get that much.
Jibbajabbawockky
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I have a feeling that David and Dan, the showrunners, just really want to get to [Super Massive Series spoilers]
the Red Wedding and Joffrey's wedding and anything beyond that is just a plus.
Storm of Swords could work really well as an adaptation and has tons of great moments. But once you get to Feast and Dance, I don't know that a lot of that material necessarily makes for gripping TV. So much of those books is really world building and internal thoughts of characters. The stuff in the North in Dance is great, but the other stuff, not so much.
Storm of Swords could work really well as an adaptation and has tons of great moments. But once you get to Feast and Dance, I don't know that a lot of that material necessarily makes for gripping TV. So much of those books is really world building and internal thoughts of characters. The stuff in the North in Dance is great, but the other stuff, not so much.
Are you a convicted pedophile?
bengraven
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Mispronunciation of one of his names.
I was honestly just kidding around. Stole the joke from the Hangover. I guess it's not a good joke to play straight when stranger things have happened in the OT.
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JoJoShabadoo
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Budget constraints, ratings, writing for the general public, and incompetence to write, edit and direct decently.
God help me for what I'm about to do.
(2) Because she'd notify other wildlings of their presence.
(3) See 2.
(4) He fell for ONE of her tricks and after hours of walking with her.
(5) They had several conversations.
(6) See 2. He's trying to get back. And he's taking her with him.
Aside from all of the above, they've made it pretty obvious that he is being led to some extent by his dick.
You seem to really like Jon. Maybe you're a bit jealous?
(1) For about two seconds. After coming within inches of her head.
(2) Because she'd notify other wildlings of their presence.
(3) See 2.
(4) He fell for ONE of her tricks and after hours of walking with her.
(5) They had several conversations.
(6) See 2. He's trying to get back. And he's taking her with him.
Aside from all of the above, they've made it pretty obvious that he is being led to some extent by his dick.
You seem to really like Jon. Maybe you're a bit jealous?
Well, he didn't exactly notice the detail himself. It was told to him by that... wildling girl who's name I can't remember right now. Then he just happened to notice Craster going out in the middle of the night.
Well.. partly, yes, but one of the reasons is probably because he's one of the few who is from a high-born family (even if a bastard) and has thus been getting some kind of schooling that is probably good for a leader to have.
Well, he's not dumb or unskilled, but he IS inexperienced and has problems with killing women. And that backfired on him in the last two episodes. He's simply not a coldblooded killer.
Wasn't it Pyat Pree (or whatever that creepy guys name was, I always forget) who said "I did it", not Xaro?
That's probably because she isn't what he expected wildlings to be like.
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You think she could escape if Tywin was killed? If anything, her being so close to him is making it impossible for her to kill (she is always around Tywin and people know she's from the North). Also, she saw what Tywin's arrival did to Harrenhaal (it went from a torture chamber to a much more tolerable place, though still not the happiest place in Westeros). Killing Tywin would likely just cause chaos that would cause harm to her & other innocent people.
Notify other wildlings of what?
"There are crows in the mountains."
They already knew that. The wildlings wouldn't know their position anymore and so it's not really notification of anything.
I remember him being tripped twice and giving chase. And in all conversations he's always totally clueless on how to respond. The smart thing to do now is to get back but let her be whatever. If he took her back, they'd just kill her anyway. So either kill her or let her go. His honor says to not kill her, so let her go and get back to the group without someone weighing you down.
Taking her along is more dangerous because she could leave signs, be loud, and mislead him. And that's exactly what she did so the wildings found them at the end of the last episode.
And I had no indication at all that he was "being led by his dick". He comes off to me as an honorable boy-scout type character. He actually seemed the closest to Ned Stark out of all the children to me. Maybe that's why I like him so much.
I don't remember that. I just remember him noticing and following.
I thought nothing like that mattered on the wall. It didn't matter where you were born, how you were educated or trained, etc. Everyone starts equal I thought.
I responded to this in my previous post about how I think he should know not to keep her around if he can't kill her.
Um... Maybe I was wrong then. I just remember Xaro walking up with the creepy undead house guy. I thought he said "we did it" basically.
That doesn't seem like a reason to be completely out of it the entire time. He was able to chat with Tyrion wasn't he? In the first season when Tyrion visited the wall.
Well I imagine she would be preparing to sneak out while Jaqen did his thing. Tywin is the only one holding the war at all with Robb. If she took him out, the Lannisters would fall. No one else has shown that they're capable of any sort of strategy. She even gets to see how incompetent everyone else is in their strategy meetings with Tywin.
I didn't think she was the type of person who would be thinking about the other stuff you're talking about.
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jaimie and jon snow portrayal sucks or something
That looks brutal!
I thought we were discussing how extras and not-completely sold shin kicks rendered this show worse than Big Bang Theory. My bad.
You don't remember the scene where Sam brings Jon that pregnant girl who almost spills the beans about what Craster does to the boy babies?
Well, it kind of doesn't (and Jon still has to go through all the same shit the other new recruits do), but the set of skills that a leader needs can probably be found more in people like Jon (who've been trained for battle & other skills ever since they were a child) than a farmer's boy, so Mormont takes a young person like Jon under his wings so that he can be the leader when old people like Mormont have already been six feet under even due to natural reasons. Also, Jon did show some leadership skills early on, so it's not only because of where he comes from.
Well... in the books he doesn't, but then again in the books he isn't alone. Don't think it's particularly safe to let a wildling go when you are alone. She'd just kill him in his sleep.
It was definitely Pyat Pree who said "I took them, they are at our tower", though him teaming up with Xaro soon after probably implicates he had his hands in it as well.
Well, to be fair, she is very straightforward. I'd think anyone would be a bit baffled when confronted by such a woman, especially if 1) you hadn't been around too many girls of your age & 2) most of the girls/women you knew acted like "proper ladies", not like "hey, let's fuck. What? No? Awwww, scared of a little wildling girl? come oooooon, you'll like it"
She didn't pick the Tickler as her first victim without a good reason. There's Hot Pie & Gendry, at the very least, who she still cares about. They'd all be in danger if Tywin wasn't there to keep everyone in order.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
If you look closely enough, one of the extras didn't legitimately kick Nikolaj in the face.
JoJoShabadoo
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Hahaha, great, the two I wanted. Although the magic of the scene is lost in split gifs. I won't bitch about the show anymore (until Blackwater comes along, no doubt. Can't blame me for that.)
Lol, how does one (and no, you're not the "one" in this scenario!) even notice that? These people.. these people. I'm pretty much embarrassed for them.
That scene played out pretty fucking convincingly in real time. People seriously are just looking for stuff to bitch about. Jamie's portrayal has been absolutely perfect btw. Everything has been in line with his character and his desire for self-preservation.
And about the other thing some are bitching about... repeat after me people: "This isn't the book." "This isn't the book." The fact kinslaying is so horribly taboo and perhaps even worse than killing the king himself does not have to exist in this version of the story.
JoJoShabadoo
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Hahahaha it's a sloppy scene that caused me to laugh. It's not the thesis to my complaints.
Book 2 is longer. Even with Book 1 there was plenty of rushing & cutting, imagine what happens with an even longer book.
Not with the way they're filming it. They have a huge cast across 3 different countries. That ain't cheap. Hell, Deadwood was $5 million an episode. GoT is under funded.
WeAreStarStuff
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Why is B even an option?
C) GoT makes it to season 7, George only overviews the scripts and filiming of certain scenes of import and finishes Dream of Spring before passing away.
So far Episode 6 felt like the peak of the season, episode 7 didn't even give a small decline it just felt like a nosedive in comparison.
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I've kind of fallen off the wagon at the moment. My disappointment with the show isn't directly linked to my love of the books, it's linked to the direction, performances and writing.
It's all getting a bit cheesy.
It's all getting a bit cheesy.
It's funded as much as it can be. They're limited to just 10 episodes a season for that reason, and Deadwood was cut short early because of budget issues, along with Rome.
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Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I don't think either of those shows were nearly as profitable as Game of Thrones is.
D) GRRM ditches Wild Cards so that C) is possible.
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