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Game of Thrones - Season 2 - George RR Martin's Song of Ice and Fire - Sundays on HBO
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I truly doubt they reduce it.
If you're a fan of Spartacus everything but porn looks tame.
I watched again with my Grandpa, he's a lot more mature than the rest of my family. He really enjoyed it.
My sister loves Arya. My Mom thinks Sophie Turner (Sansa) is the most beautiful person on the show and Emilia Clarke (Daenerys) a close second but she didn't like Drogo, said he looked like a monster.
Net_Wrecker
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Word. Game of Thrones is Adventure Time in comparison.
It's not the sex scenes in of themselves but the rather forced way it becomes an info dump.
Basileus777
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It was the repetitiveness of it that was the problem. They used sexposition way too often, there are other ways to exposit, you don't need to do the same thing over and over.
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Hitfix Podcast:
http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/the-fien-print/posts/listen-firewall-iceberg-podcast-no-121
"Game of Thrones" (00:21:15 - 00:33:40)
Daniel Fienberg and Alan Sepinwall
http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/the-fien-print/posts/listen-firewall-iceberg-podcast-no-121
"Game of Thrones" (00:21:15 - 00:33:40)
Daniel Fienberg and Alan Sepinwall
They haven't. It was in the last thread, but there was a interview quote or something saying it was as sex filled as ever.
Personally I was okay with every single sex scene besides the one where Littlefinger is teaching the whores. You have an actor as good as that guy instructing women to play with each others assholes and it isn't even in the actual book? Bleh. Must have been an interesting scene to film and act in. I think the scene was created so Littlefinger could have some kind of monologue later to give us some info we would have gotten through some other means in the book.
Creating Theon's relationship with the red headed whore (and thus more sex scenes) was probably to give Theon more screen time this season.
The Elite
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That would have been a good choice.
Basileus777
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It's probably too small of a role for McKidd.
Beric will probably only be in a couple of scenes in the show.
Yeah, I realized this as I was reading ACOK. The moment when (ACOK)
Renly suddenly gets killed
The Elite
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I'm going to live vicariously through the non-book peeps and enjoy their surprise at events this season. Can't wait!
PhoenixDark
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Why spend big money on a relatively small role
Beric was just a featured extra in season one and will be recast, although I think McKidd is too big a name for the role.
At the end of the first season I got together with a group of friends to watch the last episode. We were three book readers and two non-book readers, the discussions that followed were great. It's fun to know how well the series conveys information to people who aren't familiar with Martin's works.
For what it's worth, the two non-book readers I talked to managed to understand all the main plot lines. They just had some minor questions and misunderstandings that they kept asking me to explain, mostly from the early episodes. One curious thing was when the Starks and Robert's entourage are going to King's Landing in the second episode. Back when it aired the non-book readers didn't manage to understand the characters were stationed at an inn at the crossroads. They actually thought the scenes with Joffrey/Sansa/Arya were happening at Winterfell and that the entourage went back there for whatever reason. After I told them they just stopped on the way mid-travel, they said that they got confused because they felt the locations were too similar.
Another funny part of the conversation was when we talked about Dany's arch, me and the non-book readers thought Clarke did a great job on showing how the things she goes through made her a stronger person, but one of my book reader friends thought she was lackluster. The other book reader was ambivalent, but thought she did a good job for the most part too. It's always interesting to me to see how different expectations heavily influence how a person will experience something.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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Kevin McKidd would be great, but isn't he still being wasted on that doctor show?
Pai Pai Master
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Pretty sure they said in an interview a while back that they have no desire to tone it down.
I remember reading that too, but I feel like sexposition is definitely something Westeros.org would have mentioned in their first impressions if it was prevalent in the first 4 episodes.
That's very unfortunate then as it means they have no clue how to insert backstory and world building without resorting to repeated info dumps.
PhoenixDark
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As in the sex, or the sexposition? I have no problem with sex as long as it isn't poorly done, my problem is with using sex as a crutch for bad writing. If something can't be gotten across without wild sex on screen, perhaps it shouldn't be included in a show
The Littlefinger scene was utterly horrible, as was the acting. And the Prycelle scene from the finale feels so out of place when it follows a series of great scenes from earlier in the episode. In fact nearly every scene that features Ros is weak IMO
There is a significant difference between sex and "sexposition."
It's a cheap trick that insults the viewers' intelligence in a series that heavily depends on viewer intelligence.
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Re-watching the first season now and I really feel like the "sexposition" thing is so overblown. There are info dumps and exposition all over the place, most of it in scenes with fully clothed characters, but for some reason people like to harp on the handful of sex scenes as particularly offensive. I don't really get it.
PhoenixDark
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Yup
It would have been interesting if Littlefinger's love for Cat was revealed in a more comical matter, like with Renly bringing it up at the end of a council meeting in jest, while a visibly upset Littlefinger tried to play it off; that could free him up to use the "fuck your enemies" line later
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I agree in general but that Littlefinger scene was still completely indefensible in my opinion.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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I hope this season we get [ASOS]
It was in the pilot script but never made it to the screen.
The Bear and the Maiden Fair.
The Littlefinger scene was one of my favorites. I just love the implicit parallels between his method of playing the game and the way a whore services a john. Oh, and his last line, "Everything there is."
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Possibly the Sunday before Memorial Day weekend, though I think that would be the penultimate episode.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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I didn't like the Littlefinger scene at first, but it's grown on me. Although it's still incredibly awkward to have to watch that scene with a family member. I also like the Pycelle scene too, even if it does feel a little out of place and feels more like a deleted scene.
Yeah, my initial reaction was "WTF?" too, but once someone explained the parallels and the intent behind the scene, I was like "OMG I love it."
The Pycelle scene is good too, although I found it funny/interesting that Alan Taylor apparently wasn't the biggest fan of the scene.
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Emerson
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That's all well and good but I think the scene could have been half the length and had the same or greater impact. It was like 7 minutes long which is a substantial portion of an episode.
I guess i must like having my intelligence insulted.
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Macmanus
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I have to agree with the Littlefinger scene sentiment, coupled with your feelings on Ros. She isn't germane to the story but rather a device used to advance it, an info dump if you will.
The entire scene was just embarrassingly hamfisted and almost juvenile in it's visual metaphors. Also Aidan Gillen is really overacting - almost to the point of camp with Baelish's character. Unfortunate because we've seen him do excellent work for HBO in the past.
I also agree that the Prycelle scene feels out of place, but I still enjoyed it. It was simply better acted, and the post coital ramblings of an old man that happened to display a sense of wit was easier to swallow. The stretching at the end added a bit of levity the episode desperately needed - which bore the consequence of making it feel equal parts disjointed.
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IT'S STARTING SOON!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PhoenixDark
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I guess for me, the problem was that I didn't like most of the info dumps, whether they were sex filled or not; the exposition often came off heavy handed and poorly designed/written. For instance in terms of non-sexposition, Sansa in the throne room; the show had already established that Ned's father and brother had died there, I'm not sure regular viewers cared to be bombarded with more names either. In a similar fashion the sexposition scene with Viserys rattling off dragon names in the tub was also weak to me; as with the kings I don't think the names were necessary, and the entire thing was so odd it just didn't feel like a real conversation. And while I understood the general idea behind Prycelle pretending to be old, his scene with Ros just felt like the writers saying "ok we need another naked woman."
To me the best exposition in the first season was Bran in the crypts with Osha. It was well shot and directed and quickly got through relatively important information without speeding or feeling heavy handed/forced. Another good example was the scene between Bran and Luwin with the Westeros map. Both scenes quickly explain important narrative details, whereas many of the others don't. I suppose the Ros/Theon one does indeed reveal important information, but then again there were like 3-4 other scenes that had already attempted to establish Theon as a ward, son of the proud Balon Greyjoy etc.
On the Littlefinger scene: Gillen is also over acting throughout the scene, although in some cases his line delivery just comes off lazy. It's a scene I've watched a couple times and now can't get through; I've skipped it multiple times since. IMO it's truly the worst television scene I've seen in a couple years (granted I only watch good shows, but still).
Anton Sugar
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Wow, never knew there was such hate for that Littlefinger scene. I saw nothing wrong with it, given the parallels it was drawing.
Other than the Littlefinger scene and his two whores finger banging each other (which I agree was easily the most jarring and unnecessary scene), there isn't actually a lot of "wild sex" on the show. Most of the sexposition were in post-coital scenes.
Spartacus has a lot of gratuitous sex. Hell, there's seemingly a random pan through a whorehouse scene in Spartacus every week.
GoT just had a lot of gratuitous nudity that was used for obligatory info dumps. Most of them felt out of place except for Viserys opening up to Doreah.
I do hope that they'll think of more clever ways to dump information, but it may not even be as necessary in S2. S1 had to do a lot of groundwork in establishing the characters, their relationship, and the world, while S2 can spend more time on just developing the characters and pushing the plot.
Spartacus has a lot of gratuitous sex. Hell, there's seemingly a random pan through a whorehouse scene in Spartacus every week.
GoT just had a lot of gratuitous nudity that was used for obligatory info dumps. Most of them felt out of place except for Viserys opening up to Doreah.
I do hope that they'll think of more clever ways to dump information, but it may not even be as necessary in S2. S1 had to do a lot of groundwork in establishing the characters, their relationship, and the world, while S2 can spend more time on just developing the characters and pushing the plot.
This.
The problem that I have with sexposition is that it centered in irrelevant issues, while omitting huge imporant chunks of backstory. For example, they go in depth dettail about dragons (types, rituals, etc), which are at this point a decorative element of the series, while completely omitting a proper explanation about Robert's rebellion, a piece of the story vital to understand the whole legitimacy (or lack of thereof) of the Iron Throne. I had to explain it by myself to my non - reader friends in order for them to get what the hell was all that "ye old good times" talk between Ned and Robert, or what are the Tagaryens and why they are a treath to Robert. I think taht HBO did not made a good job when deciding what was relevant backstory, and what was not.
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