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[ViviOggi]

Well so much for all those "limiting design space" arguments

 

[Dahbomb]

So how long until we are going to get a card that is a 7/8 for 7 mana to replace War Golem?


Warrior 100% still trash and the worst class in Arena.

 

[Santiako]

Those hunter legendaries seem pretty bad tbh.

 

[Opiate]

Org Aspirant seems possibly useful

Yes, Warrior finally has some strong 3 drops. I think both that and bash are "possibly in certain decks" cards.

 

[Anilusion]

Are you guys really complaning about blizzard making better versions of unplayable cards?

 

[V-Faction]

Somebody used Warsong Commander on that power creep.

"CHARGE FORWARD"

 

[Pooya]

I like Polymorph boar, for some token mage it's really interesting. You can cast it on mirror image for example and it will be surprise hit.

 

[Raxus]

Org Aspirant seems possibly useful

Nah, way too much for too little benefit.

Mages getting another polymorph is interesting. Probably be an even bigger headache to play them now.

 

[inky]

So that's why they don't change existing cards. They "fix" them and call it a new card to pad expansions.

Spoiler

TBF I can see an Ice Elemental vs Fire Elemental thing going on in the future. They'll just upgrade tags at that point and maybe it'll matter.

 

[MThanded]

So some cards just obsolete now.

 

[squidyj]

My deckbuilding dreams for TGT

1. Confuse/Inner Fire Priest
2. Pirate Rogue
3. All of the Shamans

 

[gutshot]

Those hunter legendaries seem pretty bad tbh.

Dreadscale does synergize with Gahz'rilla too.

But yeah, pretty underwhelming.

 

[Dahbomb]

Are you guys really complaning about blizzard making better versions of unplayable cards?

Why not just buff those cards instead?

Like they should've just buffed Magma Rager to 5/2 instead.


This entirely shits on Brode's previous defense of buffing old cards. Yeah they buffed Magma Rager alright... BY MAKING A BETTER MAGMA RAGER LOLOLOLOLOL!

 

[JesseZao]

Magma Rager should be a 6/1

Booty Bay Should be a 6/4

 

[Ashodin]

Magma Rager buff inc?

 

[Xanathus]

I've lost faith in Blizzard's design aim for Hearthstone.

 

[MThanded]

Not buffing the old cards is an issue because you still pull that trash from decks.

 

[ZealousD]

Yeah Convert is gonna be crazy

I feel like it is a worse Mind Vision. =/

 

[ViviOggi]

.

 

[Dahbomb]

Nah guys it's really hard to test out Magma Rager in a field with a new statline.

Old players will get confused when they go back to play Magma Rager and it's a 5/2. It might really upset the balance and meta of the game as well.


I MEAN WOAH... having 4 5/2 in your deck could be GAME BREAKING!

 

[V-Faction]

Magma Rager buff inc?

Okay, I'd be down with that.

New Magma Rager + Ice Rager = 4 MAGMA RAGERS IN ONE DECK. It all makes sense now.

 

[inky]

Are you guys really complaning about blizzard making better versions of unplayable cards?

When their approach is to make new cards instead of fixing existing ones, yes, absolutely. Every expansion essentially makes your pack pulls worse and the new cards end up taking spots from a new limited card set that could see new, different cards.

 

[BlackBuzzard]

Lets go gang up cold light rogue annoy your opponent to death.

 

[JesseZao]

So basically, this is their way of having 4ofs like MTG.

 

[MetroidPrimeRib]

wow, some real and undeniable power creep.

 

[gutshot]

Ice Rager should've been a 1/5 for maximum lulz.

 

[MThanded]

Who wants to pull the worse version of a poor card.

 

[Ashodin]

When their approach is to make new cards instead of fixing existing ones, yes, absolutely. Every expansion makes your pack pulls worse.

well SOMETHING has to be worth dust

ha ha ha...

 

[Nirolak]

I see they listened to feedback and gave more dragon taunters.

Also, I can't really think of a realistic scenario where this isn't significantly better than Goldshire Footman:

 

[Pooya]

Flamewaker+mirror image + poly boar - 4 random damage + 4 charge damage for 7. I like this

 

[BananasWithGuns]

Lets go gang up cold light rogue annoy your opponent to death.

This is an interesting card. The fact that the Nerubians are essentially "free" when you draw them means it could be really nice but it's hard to say.

 

[Dahbomb]

It's one thing to make sidegrades to bad cards but it's another thing to make OBJECTIVELY better cards than existing cards.

Mechanical Yeti from Yeti was already really pushing it but this is just over the top and gross.

 

[CoolOff]

When their approach is to make new cards instead of fixing existing ones, yes, absolutely. Every expansion essentially makes your pack pulls worse and the new cards end up taking spots from a new limited card set that could see new, different cards.

Not buffing the old cards is an issue because you still pull that trash from decks.

But Booty Bay and Magma Rager are not in packs?

 

[MetroidPrimeRib]

Jesus Christ, I saw that Paladin secret card and almost had a heart attack. Could you fucking imagine?

 

[Santiako]

It's one thing to make sidegrades to bad cards but it's another thing to make OBJECTIVELY better cards than existing cards.

Mechanical Yeti from Yeti was already really pushing it but this is just over the top and gross.

As the card pool grows, it's inevitable for this to happen.

 

[MThanded]

Announce the release date. Please.

 

[inky]

But Booty Bay and Magma Rager are not in packs?

I mean in the sense of the new packs, obviously.

I'll be opening Tournament packs this month, and "essentially" will be getting Magma Ragers out of them, a card that already exists in the game. Nothing stops them from doing it to old pack pulled cards in the future either.

 

[voodoopanda]

Booty Bay and Rager kinda make sense cuz those are both 100% free cards you get automatically when you sign up for Hearthstone. You can't get them in packs. If they only make objectively better versions of the free starter cards, its not really an issue.

 

[iirate]

It's one thing to make sidegrades to bad cards but it's another thing to make OBJECTIVELY better cards than existing cards.

Mechanical Yeti from Yeti was already really pushing it but this is just over the top and gross.

Mech Yeti is an interesting update/iteration, that is often worse than the regular Yeti in arena.

Personally, I think Blizzard's justification for printing bad cards is mostly valid(even if they have other incentives to do so). I don't mind strictly better updates, either.

 

[Nirolak]

So they seem to want a taunt warrior between this and the "give all your taunters +2/+2" card:

Also if you thought Muster for Battle was painful before:

 

[V-Faction]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaOgZwk9rN8

"WAIT! Don't be fooled! It's just a regular Magma Rager with a stupid cheap stat boost! It still embodies all the awful stereotypes and crappy value it did before!"

"..."

"But its got a new stat!"

 

[Ashodin]

Announce the release date. Please.

August 25 bruh

I mean we have the whole set now so it COULD be next week but eh

 

[Haly]

So... Warrior is getting 2 new archetypes.

Control Warrior
Patron Warrior
Dragon Warrior
Taunt Warrior

Eat your fucking heart out Warlock.

As for Rogue...

Oil
Mill
Pirate/Aggro

I doubt those last two will be competitive but it'll be better than Mechrogue for sure.

 

[Pooya]

Fearsome Doomguard is far less scary than the old Doomguard lol.

 

[Dahbomb]

As the card pool grows, it's inevitable for this to happen.

No it's not inevitable that this was going to happen, it's all up to Blizzard on how they design and tweak existing cards. This is 100% Blizzard doing it and not something that was a foregone conclusion.

Frost Rager could've been a 1/5. It would've been a "side grade" to a bade card. That other card could've been a 4/5 Taunt.

But no... they made STRICTLY AND OBJECTIVELY better cards than existing cards. There's no getting around it. This isn't like making a Spider Tank after having Ironfur Grizzly, you can at least compare the two cards (getting one extra stat point for taunt so it's a side grade).

 

[iirate]

So... Warrior is getting 2 new archetypes.

Control Warrior
Patron Warrior
Dragon Warrior
Taunt Warrior

Eat your fucking heart out Warlock.

RIP Patron XD

Spoiler

I'm not sure if I'm serious yet. I guess we'll see.

 

[Ashodin]

I'm sure Dragon Paladin could be a thing as well.

 

[Professor Lich]

I love Sparring Partner's smug face. It's beautiful.

 

[Haly]

Patron will adapt, as Miracle once did. It's not dying until they target it with a nerf.

 

[MThanded]

Patron will adapt, as Miracle once did. It's not dying until they target it with a nerf.

There is still time for the nerf.