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Hearthstone |OT4| The warsong has ended, please patron other decks
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BananasWithGuns
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True, I guess it couldn't hurt to hold on to him in that respect.
As far as stuff I want to craft, Varian, Aviana, Bolf and Chillmaw are just a few of the legendaries. Then epics like Twilight Guardian, Lock and Load, Mulch, stuff like that. Although I guess it would be best to wait and see how those cards fit into decks before going all in.
poppedcollar69
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is being effective 66% of the time the threshold for good arena pick?
I know we're laughing, but at least Shaman is being played with regularity. That's better than Priest -- rather be the bottom run on the "playable" totem pole then fall off the totem pole entirely.
Amongst the bottom 3 (Paladin, Priest, Shaman) I believe Shaman is the most played, followed by Paladin, followed by Priest.
The card I want most is Justicar Trueheart. I want to stick her in a Warrior or Priest deck and draw games out as long as possible.
Ironically, Kibler was successful with Shaman and Priest on his way to the best record of the tournament.
BananasWithGuns
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Yeah, Justicar is on my list as well. I'm excited to see how she fits into Warrior and Priest especially.
It really is pretty sad.
Seriously, I'd literally rather watch Face Hunter than Mech Shaman. It's embarrassing to watch Mech Shaman flounder around trying to breathe and hope they get that one time where they pull off a bullshit windfury combo.
When I play Fel Reaver, every deck becomes smorc. You have to close out the game before you get decked. Maximize face damage over everything. You play Fel Reaver properly by unlearning all you've learned about board control. Play smartly by playing badly!
There's more to a card evaluation than just "effective 66%" of the time.
Fel Reaver value isn't that the card is effective 66% it's that it's GAME WINNING 66% of the time that you actually do play it properly. In that if you played most any other card in that situation instead of Fel Reaver, then you probably wouldn't have won that game or your chances to win would've gone lower.
There's no card that is effective 100% of the time. Piloted Shredder is a top tier 4 drop card but in a top deck war and you are facing lethal... Piloted shredder is much worse than getting a heal, taunt or a board clear. Piloted Shredder is good because it gives you value/card advantage when played on curve at 4 mana. That is the same thing as Fel Reaver, when you are slightly ahead on the board and you play this on curve then you are really ahead in the game and for most classes it takes two cards to take down a Fel Reaver (meaning you got value off of Fel Reaver).
There are very few cards that impact a game almost single handedly. You don't win because of one card... you win because of a bunch of cards. You may have top dicked lethal with Fireball but that situation wouldn't have happened if you weren't ahead on the board at some point in the game. Likewise Fel Reaver might have dealt like 24 damage to the opponent's face but that wouldn't have been possible if you didn't maintain some semblance of board control the 4 turns before Fel Reaver got played.
Likewise there are cards that are even more situational than Fel Reaver that are still fine Arena picks. Cards like BGH are like that. It's probably going to be negative value more often that not but when it hits its likely game winning by itself.
crazygambit
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How can you play it wrong in Arena? As soon as you can seems like a good rule of thumb IMO. Coining it on T4 will usually win you the game right there. Your opponent will have to devote significant resources to killing it from then on and when he does you'll be wildly ahead. The burned cards won't matter.
Do you have minions on the board before? Did the opponent play any spells/removal before?What are you playing against? What are the life totals like? What kind of deck are you playing?
If you are playing against a Mage, you have no board, they have a board with a Snowchugger then you lost the game playing that Fel Reaver. Or if you are playing against a Paladin and they play a Humility/Peacekeeper on it then you also lost the game,
That's what I am talking about playing it improperly. You can't always just coin it on T4 and expect to win the game off of it. That play can get punished hard.
If you were behind on board and then you play Fel Reaver that's even worse. You have to set up the situation where Fel Reaver is optimum to play him. It's also similar to how you play Venture Co, you can't just coin it out on turn 4 and then be like "yup I win the game, no way my opponent will have an answer against it on turn 5!"
Also as stated before... Fel Reaver is a face card, not a board control card. If there are taunts on board then it's a bad time to play Fel Reaver. If you have board control then that means that when Fel Reaver gets dropped down it will hit the face. Similar to the rule of thumb of Savanna Highmane... if that card gets to hit the face then you have a very high chance of winning the game. When Fel Reaver gets played that means you intend to put the opponent on a clock.
It's no surprise that Fel Reaver and Venture Co are among the most misplayed cards in Arena.
You shouldn't really actively trade with it, for one. Trading is about playing the long game and playing it safe. With Fel Reaver, your game plan is to be incredibly threatening to the point where your opponent has to throw everything at it. Basically, you go face with it. The fact that you have an 8/8 makes it hard enough to kill that you'll probably go two for one anyway even if you don't trade.
Haunted
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Kibler is special
crazygambit
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Ok, of course playing it into a Snowchugger would not be optimal, but it's far from losing you the game. Specially in arena with limited card draw. I still think playing it on T4 is the correct play 99% of the time and will win you the game. The chances of him drafting Humility is low and then having it on his hand even lower. Peacekeeper might be a little higher, but there's no sense in waiting. He could have 4 in his deck, so waiting until he runs out is even more pointless. Unless you just let it sit in your hand the whole game against Paladins. You have to take risks to win.
That's a given. I was mainly talking about playing it at "the wrong time". As soon as possible is what I go by in Arena. #YOLO all the way.
toddhunter
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Because in arena you are playing mage and mage has frost bolt or blizzard or ice lance or a freezing spare part or a snow chugger or a water elemental that freezes things for some reason even though it is made of water and you will be completely fucked two turns later.
FieryBalrog
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Fel Reaver is a great tempo card in Arena.
When I started getting better at arena a few months ago, my first 12 win deck was a Mage deck built almost entirely around Fel Reaver and Pyroblast.
I won four or five of those games solely because of the synergy between those two cards.
When I started getting better at arena a few months ago, my first 12 win deck was a Mage deck built almost entirely around Fel Reaver and Pyroblast.
I won four or five of those games solely because of the synergy between those two cards.
Professor Lich
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I'd wait just a little bit. See what you get out of your TGT packs and see what type of deck you want to play. Then you'll know how much dust you want/need.
I personally only care about gold cards so I'd dust normal Illidan myself in a heartbeat.
crazygambit
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But the only way to play around that is not to play it against Mage. Even if it gets frozen for a couple of turns it's not the end of the world IMO. He has to devote resources to freezing it, while the rest of your minions are free to attack.
When you're not playing against Mage you're playing against Paladin and following the rules
toddhunter
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Frozen for two turns and then flamestrike to finish everything off. You just lost 15 cards and couldn't attack.
Arena mages have freeze and cheap minions. I've never seen it work.
Granted that mostly counts against mage...but that is kind of hard to ignore. Maybe post TGT things will mix up a little and it'll at least get flame lanced.
It's actually not a given. In that video Haunted posted, Trump gave no shits that he was on a clock and he kept trying to make value plays with board trades. While he was staunchly defending the card, he was still playing it wrong.
Gotta love when people decide not to kill Chromaggus from Unstable Portal instantly and let it live for 3 turns, I really did enjoy double Flamewakers, Sorcerer's Apprentice and finally Arcane Intellect into double Ragnaros and something else. Didn't even mind at all burning Doctor Boom.
Best part was that actually could have died at the end, got cocky and didn't attack with my last Flamewaker when opponent was at 18 health with nothing on board and me with 2 rags and Flamewaker at 7 health. Topdecked Fireball would have been so crushing.
Edit: Mirimar, added you if you still need help with the quest.
Best part was that actually could have died at the end, got cocky and didn't attack with my last Flamewaker when opponent was at 18 health with nothing on board and me with 2 rags and Flamewaker at 7 health. Topdecked Fireball would have been so crushing.
Edit: Mirimar, added you if you still need help with the quest.
MetroidPrimeRib
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Wow, the newest Hearthstone Mythbusters. Acolyte can draw a card if he gets hit when he has Divine Shield. wtf
Also if a minion gets killed by Vaporize and sent back by Freezing Trap it will enter dead.
Also if a minion gets killed by Vaporize and sent back by Freezing Trap it will enter dead.
Gotta love those odd interactions. I mean, you can get 4/20 Twilight Drake too. Really loving stuff like HS Mythbusters or Hearthstone Science, even if most of the stuff they're showing is something you will either see or play normally.
Xamtheking
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Is it really jousting your jimmies?
I don't know if it's just me but ranked has been feeling pretty competitive even down in the rank 15~ dregs. It must be the rewards people are after. I'd be interested to see some stats about ranked play before and after the announcement.
I had a warlock instantly concede when I killed his imp gang with a Velen's chosen'd 2/3 plus an acolyte of pain to run into the summoned imp (rank 11).
Must have been a rough day on the ladder.
I had a warlock instantly concede when I killed his imp gang with a Velen's chosen'd 2/3 plus an acolyte of pain to run into the summoned imp (rank 11).
Must have been a rough day on the ladder.
Servbot #42
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This deck is pretty damn good, i went from ranks 11 to 8 without too much trouble., thanks for linking it. I think i'm gonna try to get to legend with this deck, also i think rag is okay in this deck but definitely not essential.
Have you been to Legend before?
Just keep in mind that 5-Legend is a lot harder than 25-5, and will take you longer as well, especially in this cutthroat environment.
It is. Everyone's thirsty for those golden epics and are hitting the ladder with every net deck they can find.
It's funny watching people fail at Patron though, especially when everyone is teched to kill it.
Just keep in mind that 5-Legend is a lot harder than 25-5, and will take you longer as well, especially in this cutthroat environment.
It is. Everyone's thirsty for those golden epics and are hitting the ladder with every net deck they can find.
It's funny watching people fail at Patron though, especially when everyone is teched to kill it.
Victory Red
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Do you get the chest that you finish the month at or the highest chest achieved?
MetroidPrimeRib
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Highest achieved I believe. If you hit rank 5 and lost down to rank 6 you would get a rank 5 chest.
I am not certain though, someone correct me if I am wrong.
It's highest achieved, go to the menu that shows your quests if you've dropped down a rank and the number on the chest will still be your highest.
WesternHeretic
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I read on reddit that there is a legendary chest now too. I want to make a push for it but man it's hard to keep winning streaks going.
i got super lucky and broke my 18/17 back and forth and got to 15 with bonus star surges with my iffy Priest deck. Streak was ruined by a mech mage who got off two mech warpers by turn three, i had nothing.
Today gotta be arena bullshit day.
First run with paladin, my first game is against a shaman, he opens with double zap-o-matic, going full smorc on me. I kill them then he gives another minion windfury lmao.
Another game against rogue, full on oil rogue on display. Violet Teacher, sprint, blade fury, oil, you name it . Got burst hit with south sea deckhand. LOL
ended 5-3.
Second run priest... ahahahah. This was a disaster. 1-3. Mage was just sitting back and pyroblasting me. lol
Third run, mage. This was going ok, I had one patron in my deck. Priest thoughtsteal just that one and gives it velen's chosen, I had him at 10 life and I lose the control of entire game. I couldn't believe it how I lost that game. It hurt so bad.
Another mage, of course pyroblast everyone has it. This one ended 5-3 too. Ladder has a lot less rage to it than this non sense mode. Waste of gold.
First run with paladin, my first game is against a shaman, he opens with double zap-o-matic, going full smorc on me. I kill them then he gives another minion windfury lmao.
Another game against rogue, full on oil rogue on display. Violet Teacher, sprint, blade fury, oil, you name it . Got burst hit with south sea deckhand. LOL
ended 5-3.
Second run priest... ahahahah. This was a disaster. 1-3. Mage was just sitting back and pyroblasting me. lol
Third run, mage. This was going ok, I had one patron in my deck. Priest thoughtsteal just that one and gives it velen's chosen, I had him at 10 life and I lose the control of entire game. I couldn't believe it how I lost that game. It hurt so bad.
Another mage, of course pyroblast everyone has it. This one ended 5-3 too. Ladder has a lot less rage to it than this non sense mode. Waste of gold.
Remember when if you got hit by a freeze minion, but if you had armor / divine shield up, the freeze effect wouldn't "hit"? I miss that.
. Was so annoyed when they fixed it.*****
So I built an Eboladin deck based on one you guys linked in this thread. Had gotten stuck around 11 with a control warrior, bouncing around, so figured I'd try it. Immediately steamrolled my opponents, including another Eboladin and a Zoo.
Felt so dirty and easy and braindead, I haven't felt this ashamed since I added Vergil to my UMvC3 team.
WesternHeretic
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Remember when if you got hit by a freeze minion, but if you had armor / divine shield up, the freeze effect wouldn't "hit"? I miss that.
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So I built an Eboladin deck based on one you guys linked in this thread. Had gotten stuck around 11 with a control warrior, bouncing around, so figured I'd try it. Immediately steamrolled my opponents, including another Eboladin and a Zoo.
Felt so dirty and easy and braindead, I haven't felt this ashamed since I added Vergil to my UMvC3 team.
I run Eboladin all the way to 2 so far. It gets a lot less brain dead once you hit 5 especially vs hunter/patrons. It's like running zero... I mean you hit them take them to the corner and zoop zoop. But if you get caught then well you dead, and you don't have dark vergil for a comeback.
Officerrob
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And if lock and load is in the back half of your deck, you lose probably around 90% of the time. That's why the deck is absolute shit
Trigger_happy
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I'm at rank 4 but haven't seen patron warrior or eboladin in a long time, weird. Hope that higher ranks don't have much of them since i'm climbing with Midrange druid. Also, good thing that golden portraits don't demoralize me as much as before because i've seen a lot of them since rank 10.
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