Infernodash
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So many mill rogues today.. sigh. all my brand new cards being destroyed since i'm playing a control mage hybrid.
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Hearthstone |OT4| The warsong has ended, please patron other decks
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call_kotaku
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There's only one situation where Mistcaller is good....
...which is getting it from an unstable portal as mage in arena
Dreadsteed Report:
Game 1: Fel Cannon works with Mechs, not demons. Cannon proceeds to shoot and kill DS almost every turn.
Game 2: Baron + DS goes off. I now have 6 slots filled with 1/1 DSs. lol
Game 3: Tiny Knight may be small, but he's huge on evil. Discard synergy with Soul Burn and the 5/7 dood is fun. Tiny into Succubus and Fist seem fun. Imp-ploded my own DS for minions.
Game 4: Really need Malganis. Mortal Coil on DS is good for cycling. Tournament Medic in Warlock is fun. The wait time that incurs the turn after I summon DS is funny as my opponents try to figure out what is up.
Will post deck list soon. It's a lot of fun. Just need a smexy belf or Worgan as an alternate hero and I'd play it more....
Cutputse Report:
Buccaneer is AWESOME.
Cutpurse is great on turn two. Has a huge target on it though. Easy-ish to protect with Buccaneer - weapon, backstab, SAP.
Free coins are awesome with SI, faster Sprints, and OK with new phat panda.
Fun deck. Gold Cutpurse looks glorious -- cha-ching!
Game 1: Fel Cannon works with Mechs, not demons. Cannon proceeds to shoot and kill DS almost every turn.
Game 2: Baron + DS goes off. I now have 6 slots filled with 1/1 DSs. lol
Game 3: Tiny Knight may be small, but he's huge on evil. Discard synergy with Soul Burn and the 5/7 dood is fun. Tiny into Succubus and Fist seem fun. Imp-ploded my own DS for minions.
Game 4: Really need Malganis. Mortal Coil on DS is good for cycling. Tournament Medic in Warlock is fun. The wait time that incurs the turn after I summon DS is funny as my opponents try to figure out what is up.
Will post deck list soon. It's a lot of fun. Just need a smexy belf or Worgan as an alternate hero and I'd play it more....
Cutputse Report:
Buccaneer is AWESOME.
Cutpurse is great on turn two. Has a huge target on it though. Easy-ish to protect with Buccaneer - weapon, backstab, SAP.
Free coins are awesome with SI, faster Sprints, and OK with new phat panda.
Fun deck. Gold Cutpurse looks glorious -- cha-ching!
Not especially. The expensive cards are:
Sky Capn' Cragg
2x Preparation
Loatheb
2x Those epic 3/3 pirates that give your other pirates +1/+1
After that, things get much cheaper. Do you have those things?
I mean, not really. Sub out 1 FoN + 1 Druid of the Flame and put the 2 Innervates in. you lose 1 beast and it's the same deck. Running 2xCombo and treating your beasts like tokens or Shades doesn't sound too different to me if you are really that interested in running a pure beast deck. Why not tech in a beast like tempo Kodo as well for that matter?
But hey, it's just suggestions. I thought you were asking for different perspectives *shrug* I think your deck is solid. I've found card draw is sometimes a bitch too.
My current paladin deck I'm tinkering with
I played from rank 8 to rank 3 last night with a 73% win rate. Not spectacular but pretty good. Justicar + garrison commander + murloc knight + quarter master is the real heart of the deck. It allows for the deck to have an extremely low curve and yet win in the late game by just grinding opponents out of resources via its token generation. I've found that a single cult master is plenty of draw for this deck. He draws 2-4 cards which can turn the game but also this concept just doesn't need much draw to begin with.
Garrison Commander, Murloc Knight, and Justicar allow you to just keep sinking mana to power up your board without using up cards. And justicar is a fucking powerhouse in paladin. In any control matchup a turn 6 justicar is gg. I've started just keeping this guy in my opening hand because it is that absurd.
I decked control warriors while still having like 8 cards left in my deck.
One of the cards I still waffle on is Eadric. I think he's good but he might be better as just a lay on hands? Maybe? The other option is Dr Boom but I actually think Eadric is better in this deck. Boom would be the only big game target in the deck which is a problem but also Boom is very... swingy board control. Yeah sometimes your opponent doesn't have great answers and you just win but if they do have great answers playing boom can lose you board control. Eadric is much more 'stable' in that it just neuters their board and puts a big body in play that can't easily be dealt with my any means.
This deck isn't aggressive and so because Dr Boom hitting them in the face for 7 isn't an interesting proposition, I think Eadric is better. However, I still might end up cutting him for just a lay on hands.
The weakest matchup by far is face hunter (50%). The reason for this is because while this can out board control other aggro decks in the early game (I'm something like 6-0 against aggro pally with this deck) it can't kill hunter fast enough to not just die to chargers + hero power + unleash. And the Tuskarr Jousters just haven't given me enough sustainability. The heal is nice when it happens but sometimes you also just lose games on a bad joust flip.
The tweaks I plan to make tonight are -2 shredder, -2tuskarr, +2refreshment vendor, +2 belcher. My hope here is that it will help stablize me against hunters. I don't want to put in healbot because I think a 3/3 body is just too weak for a board control deck. I think refreshment vendor will fight board similarly to a piloted shredder and give me just a bit more healing.
Belcher also for defensive reasons but I'm also interested in seeing if a belcher will be capable of protecting my garrison commanders and murloc knights.
I played from rank 8 to rank 3 last night with a 73% win rate. Not spectacular but pretty good. Justicar + garrison commander + murloc knight + quarter master is the real heart of the deck. It allows for the deck to have an extremely low curve and yet win in the late game by just grinding opponents out of resources via its token generation. I've found that a single cult master is plenty of draw for this deck. He draws 2-4 cards which can turn the game but also this concept just doesn't need much draw to begin with.
Garrison Commander, Murloc Knight, and Justicar allow you to just keep sinking mana to power up your board without using up cards. And justicar is a fucking powerhouse in paladin. In any control matchup a turn 6 justicar is gg. I've started just keeping this guy in my opening hand because it is that absurd.
I decked control warriors while still having like 8 cards left in my deck.
One of the cards I still waffle on is Eadric. I think he's good but he might be better as just a lay on hands? Maybe? The other option is Dr Boom but I actually think Eadric is better in this deck. Boom would be the only big game target in the deck which is a problem but also Boom is very... swingy board control. Yeah sometimes your opponent doesn't have great answers and you just win but if they do have great answers playing boom can lose you board control. Eadric is much more 'stable' in that it just neuters their board and puts a big body in play that can't easily be dealt with my any means.
This deck isn't aggressive and so because Dr Boom hitting them in the face for 7 isn't an interesting proposition, I think Eadric is better. However, I still might end up cutting him for just a lay on hands.
The weakest matchup by far is face hunter (50%). The reason for this is because while this can out board control other aggro decks in the early game (I'm something like 6-0 against aggro pally with this deck) it can't kill hunter fast enough to not just die to chargers + hero power + unleash. And the Tuskarr Jousters just haven't given me enough sustainability. The heal is nice when it happens but sometimes you also just lose games on a bad joust flip.
The tweaks I plan to make tonight are -2 shredder, -2tuskarr, +2refreshment vendor, +2 belcher. My hope here is that it will help stablize me against hunters. I don't want to put in healbot because I think a 3/3 body is just too weak for a board control deck. I think refreshment vendor will fight board similarly to a piloted shredder and give me just a bit more healing.
Belcher also for defensive reasons but I'm also interested in seeing if a belcher will be capable of protecting my garrison commanders and murloc knights.
I played a Mill Rogue as Patron yesterday. I was like, "You fool! You're drawing me into my combo pieces faster!" Nothing important got burned, never made it to fatigue.
I did learn that the Ambush from Under the Ground doesn't spawn a spider if it never goes into your hand. Dude never got anything from that card.
You have no idea. I had two stealthed jungle panthers one game and and so my combo turned into 26 damage. I really don't want to cut a FoN because it is such a huge part of my deck's gameplan that I need that consistency. Stealth plays so incredibly well into Savage Roar, and into Wildwalker for that matter. So having 6 stealthed beasts is pretty significant.
As for Stampeding Kodo, I think it is a viable sub for a Stranglethorn Tiger when you are up against a lot of aggressive decks. But I found that the meta has currently slowed as people experiment with new decks so I preferred the reach of Stranglethorn Tiger.
Sorry, I wasn't really looking for suggestions. Somebody just stated that they felt their Beast Druid was clunky and I didn't feel that way at all about mine.
BlackBuzzard
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Jesus christ, EU still lagging as hell... FU Blizz
FREE PACKS OR RITO!
Fair enough. It thought of making a strong case for Innervate not because it's a card for a specific strategy imo, but because it is such a strong advantage building tool unique to Druids. Like you, I don't think Wild Growth or Aspirant improve my beast deck at all, but Innervate is a game changer. I definitely can see the strengths of your deck considering I built something similar
The rest comes down to playstyles.
Of course the first TGT related Trolden ideo has the first clip being an Astral Communion game winning opener.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyEeGoZ9pu4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyEeGoZ9pu4
Legendaries I have after opening my 60 packs and doing some crafting
Chillmaw
Justicar Trueheart
Eydis Darkbane
Rhonin
Anub'arak
The Mistcaller
Wilfred Fizzlebang
Varian Wrynn
Are there any more that I should craft, or am I safe to start crafting Epic's and Rares? I have around 6000 dust left.
Chillmaw
Justicar Trueheart
Eydis Darkbane
Rhonin
Anub'arak
The Mistcaller
Wilfred Fizzlebang
Varian Wrynn
Are there any more that I should craft, or am I safe to start crafting Epic's and Rares? I have around 6000 dust left.
Jesus christ, EU still lagging as hell... FU Blizz
Even browsing the deck collection is impossible. Hovering over all my newly acquired, shiny golden (common) cards appears to bring the server to its knees.
Except from Sky Cap'n I only have Loatheb.
I would not craft Pirate Rogue. It's still 1 or 2 sets away from being viable.
The big problem is that it doesn't have any hyper value drops like Shredder, Tusk Totemic, or Wrangler. Hell, even Murloc Knight. All the pirates rely on synergy, and are expensive to boot, unlike Murlocs. They get wrecked by any kind of consistent board control.
The big problem is that it doesn't have any hyper value drops like Shredder, Tusk Totemic, or Wrangler. Hell, even Murloc Knight. All the pirates rely on synergy, and are expensive to boot, unlike Murlocs. They get wrecked by any kind of consistent board control.
I would say those other epics are critical to the deck. On the plus side, you can craft all 4 of them for the cost of one legendary. Patience is my suggestion, I guess; you'll get there eventually.
Sooooo I am still missing a bunch of regular and goblins legendarys. I bought the 50 packs of the TGT and got 2 legendarys, dreadscale and nexus-champ saraad. Would it be best for me to pick up Dr. Boom or wait until some newer deck ideas come out and craft a legendary from TGT. Thanks
I got very lucky with my packs. I had something like 12 golden Rares and 2 golden Epics, and the 3 legendaries I got were Justicar, Varian and Eydris, and the 10 packs I bought with gold had 2 more legendares (Rhonin and Fizzlebang), and I was already starting with close to 9000 Dust. Even got the Anub'arak from a 1-2 drop in Arena!
I think Pirate rogue is far closer than you're giving it credit for. Maybe not top tier deck, but it's 1 set away at most.
You can't go wrong with Dr.Boom, he's still insanely good.Sooooo I am still missing a bunch of regular and goblins legendarys. I bought the 50 packs of the TGT and got 2 legendarys, dreadscale and nexus-champ saraad. Would it be best for me to pick up Dr. Boom or wait until some newer deck ideas come out and craft a legendary from TGT. Thanks
I would say once the meta shakes out it'll be about as good as Dragon Warrior was last set, which, somehow, didn't really get better (relative to other decks) with TGT. It's behind Dragon Mage and I think Dragon Priest might have the edge.
Yes, I think that's a reasonable comparison. Pirate rogue being a tier 2 deck would be fine, in my opinion. Playable, just not in the top 10 decks OP.
Well I wouldn't craft a legendary for a Tier 2 deck, is what I'm saying.
Stuff like Ysera or Malygos, sure. You can make Tier 2 decks around them but they're Tier 1 cards, or potentially Tier 1 cards.
A pirate legendary though? It'll only ever be good for pirates.
Stuff like Ysera or Malygos, sure. You can make Tier 2 decks around them but they're Tier 1 cards, or potentially Tier 1 cards.
A pirate legendary though? It'll only ever be good for pirates.
He already has the pirate legendary. He's asking if he should dust it.
Trigger_happy
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Rank 1, i'm so close to legend... Never was higher than rank 8 before this season.
Randomizer123454444
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I understand that after release servers will go down for few hours, but I'm very disappointed that EU is still unplayable today. At this rate EU will be playable some time next week
Luckily I managed to squeeze in few games this morning.
Luckily I managed to squeeze in few games this morning.
My point is that it's not even close. I'd compare sky cap'n to something like Prophet Velen; Velen is used in a very narrow set of decks, but he's great in the decks he enables.
Sky Cap'n will be pivotal to all pirate decks. That's a narrow use legendary, but in the cases where he's used he's excellent. That's much much better than a legendary that has no place at all (e.g. Nozdormu, sans the glitch deck, or Lorewalker Cho, or Gahzrilla).
I have a golden Nozdormu, my only golden legensary so far lol
I feel from TGT legs, Justicar is must have as it can go into quite a few decks and classes, it seems like the closest thing to a general purpose legendary that could be good in a lot of control decks now not every class can benefit from it but it's a card you probably want to have.
The rest are far too specific, so I would get that one for sure before everything else.
I'm underwhelmed by Chillmaw, it hasn't worked even once for me, thanks to abundance of silence and polymorphs, it's not a bad card but don't bet your life on it. Still you probably want it if you play dragon decks, twilight guardians are more necessary, actually I think dragon decks could work just fine without Chillmaw but with two of those.
Saarad, the rng on this thing is so wide that I don't think it's all necessary, but it's a 5 drop still with yeti body and the potential to give a win card, even if it's trash if you're playing cards like Twilight Drake or Mountain Giant, maybe it's not so bad? and of course there is spell synergy.
The 3 drops are same as Saarad pretty much, even if you can't use their abilities, they still have good body. It only makes sense in priest or paladin to play these so use cases are even less, it's not something I would craft personally but if I opened them, it's cool.
The rest.... eh yeah.
Then comes the class cards, if you play warrior you probably should get Varian and Aviana for Druid. The rest are underwhelming or merely ok. Nothing to rush for.
The rest are far too specific, so I would get that one for sure before everything else.
I'm underwhelmed by Chillmaw, it hasn't worked even once for me, thanks to abundance of silence and polymorphs, it's not a bad card but don't bet your life on it. Still you probably want it if you play dragon decks, twilight guardians are more necessary, actually I think dragon decks could work just fine without Chillmaw but with two of those.
Saarad, the rng on this thing is so wide that I don't think it's all necessary, but it's a 5 drop still with yeti body and the potential to give a win card, even if it's trash if you're playing cards like Twilight Drake or Mountain Giant, maybe it's not so bad? and of course there is spell synergy.
The 3 drops are same as Saarad pretty much, even if you can't use their abilities, they still have good body. It only makes sense in priest or paladin to play these so use cases are even less, it's not something I would craft personally but if I opened them, it's cool.
The rest.... eh yeah.
Then comes the class cards, if you play warrior you probably should get Varian and Aviana for Druid. The rest are underwhelming or merely ok. Nothing to rush for.
oh also, these are the cards I experimented with in murloc knight paladin that I posted above that I don't think make the cut. Perhaps this will save others some time in their inpsire paladins:
Tinkmaster: I thought this had potential because of how much tokens the deck churns out turn after turn. The deck is low on 3-drops, contains no silence, and has endless 1/1s that could become 5/5s. So in theory it seems great but when I analyzed it in real situations the risk was just too high. If the opponent plays like a haunted creeper the card is just going to sit in your hand forever. Really bad.
Gormok: This card actually works. You very, very often have 4+ minions and can get the battlecry. However, I think this card is a poor choice for the same reasons I think Eadric or Lay on Hands is a better choice than Dr Boom. The deck is a grindy one. You have no burst and using gormok to clear their minion so you can get more face damage in just... isn't that effective. Gormok is a snowbally card but this deck isn't actually looking to snowball and kill them. The goal is to use your board control and mana sinks to just slowly grind them down until they inevitably chipped away. In addition, while this deck very often has more than 4 minions on board it never has 4 minions on board on turn 4. So gormok is not a 4 drop.
Defender of Argus: This card was alright. However, just like gormok this is generally not a turn 4 play. If it is, it's because you have like a knife juggler and a garrison commander on board and now you are giving your most valuable minions, the ones you don't want killed, taunt. So it's a later game play but the way the tokens in this deck works isn't that you want to fill the board and taunt up. You often just take your army of 5 tokens and immediately ram them into the opponent's minions and then generate 5 more tokens. This means the actual effect of argus is little more than a direwolf.
Tinkmaster: I thought this had potential because of how much tokens the deck churns out turn after turn. The deck is low on 3-drops, contains no silence, and has endless 1/1s that could become 5/5s. So in theory it seems great but when I analyzed it in real situations the risk was just too high. If the opponent plays like a haunted creeper the card is just going to sit in your hand forever. Really bad.
Gormok: This card actually works. You very, very often have 4+ minions and can get the battlecry. However, I think this card is a poor choice for the same reasons I think Eadric or Lay on Hands is a better choice than Dr Boom. The deck is a grindy one. You have no burst and using gormok to clear their minion so you can get more face damage in just... isn't that effective. Gormok is a snowbally card but this deck isn't actually looking to snowball and kill them. The goal is to use your board control and mana sinks to just slowly grind them down until they inevitably chipped away. In addition, while this deck very often has more than 4 minions on board it never has 4 minions on board on turn 4. So gormok is not a 4 drop.
Defender of Argus: This card was alright. However, just like gormok this is generally not a turn 4 play. If it is, it's because you have like a knife juggler and a garrison commander on board and now you are giving your most valuable minions, the ones you don't want killed, taunt. So it's a later game play but the way the tokens in this deck works isn't that you want to fill the board and taunt up. You often just take your army of 5 tokens and immediately ram them into the opponent's minions and then generate 5 more tokens. This means the actual effect of argus is little more than a direwolf.
Professor Lich
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I just don't get it. When I make a silly/crazy deck, the first 2-3 games go great. Everything falls into place and it feels great. Then all games after that just falls apart and everything wrong with the deck gets highlighted. It's almost like the game gives me a few pitty wins then brings me back to reality.
Thanks for the response
Right now I am torn between Sylvanas Windrunner and Dr. Boom, but leaning towards the Boom.
Kotetsu534
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How much money do you have to be making before you invest in excess server capacity for your busiest region. Stingy bastards.
BenjaminBirdie
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rolls are so hugely important and can completely shatter a great deck. I was slaying with dragon priest and then get nothing but spells for the first three turns. Never came back from that.
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I'm bound and determined to make something new and inventive with Priest work. It's really not working, though, unless I fluke into something killer with Eydis early on (or the classic flukey DS + Inner Fire combo on a Deathlord/Tourney Medic or whatever else I have in the deck).
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EnVy_CaLiBeR
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Yeah, Chillmaw is incredibly underwhelming. Justicar is probably the best overall TGT legendary so far with Varian trailing her.
Murloc Knight is amazing. Period.
Murloc Knight is amazing. Period.
Chillmaw has been working ok in my Dragon Paladin so far.
The big body and taunt are almost enough by itself. It has completely stopped dead the 1 hunter I managed to play it against. Against a more control-y deck (I seem to play only Warriors, so YMMV), it hasn't been very helpful unless I was already ahead.
The big body and taunt are almost enough by itself. It has completely stopped dead the 1 hunter I managed to play it against. Against a more control-y deck (I seem to play only Warriors, so YMMV), it hasn't been very helpful unless I was already ahead.
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