BlackBuzzard
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These Druid mirrors so exciting who can draw their 14+ combo first.
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Hearthstone |OT4| The warsong has ended, please patron other decks
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Phawx
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Pulling the double innervate was painful to watch.
I'm starting to question how useful Mana Wyrms are on tempo mage. They sometimes come into the game too late where they don't make much of a difference, and even when they are on my starting hand along with a 1 or 2-mana spell, I always feel like not wasting it on mana wyrm and keeping it for Flamewakers/Antonidas.
What am I not seeing? I'm this close to replacing them with Acolytes of Pain, considering I have no Arcane Intellects on my deck.
What am I not seeing? I'm this close to replacing them with Acolytes of Pain, considering I have no Arcane Intellects on my deck.
They are extremely important. They push damage early and then trade for bigger minions or several small ones, it defines tempo.
BlackBuzzard
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WAHAHHAHA Esports Portal backfire for Firebat everything is coming up Millhouse.
Should I be using my coin/1/2 mana spells on them then? Instead of saving them for Antonidas or Flamewakers?
Yes, unless you have the Flamewaker on hand. But Frostbolts, Flamecannons, Unstable Portals and Arcane missiles are fine on their own and you don't need to wait for anyone.
Well of course, if that gains you tempo. If you're staying ahead without them but expect a later power turn from a midrange opponent or Zoo/Paladin token diarrhea then Flamewaker will be your tempo swing.
Acolyte? Saving spells for Antonidas? You're no Freeze Mage dude, Acolyte is like the most anti-tempo 3-drop in the game, when you start pinging that shit as Tempo Mage you've already lost. Antonidas is your win condition against slow decks and you only save spells for him when you can afford to and have to.
MetroidPrimeRib
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Mana Wyrm + Coin + Mirror Image puts you so far ahead in the game from the get go that the enemy will be struggling for the entire game most of the time. Mana Wyrm is a must.
BlackBuzzard
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Scamaz vs Dart.
toddhunter
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You would drop flamewakers before mana wyrm.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Depends on the list. But you also have to consider that spare parts add a lot of spells to the deck. They definitely run more than 5 spells.
Hence the 'about', I mean that is not a spell heavy deck, unlike Tempo (that runs 12+ spells).
Mobius and pet octopus
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Even "about" 5 spells is very inaccurate.
2 Frostbolts, 2 Fireballs, sometimes Portal. How is that very inaccurate?
Those are extra, I'm talking about cards in the deck. Anyway, let's stop derailing, the point was that Mana Wyrm is very good and should not be taken from Tempo Mage.
poppedcollar69
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t1 coin flame juggler that pinged his gnome shut this face hunter down so hard lmao
Mobius and pet octopus
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If we're talking about the amount of spells it takes to make mana wyrm worth running, I don't think we're derailing at all. And that is an important consideration as to whether it is worth running in tempo mage. It works in mech mage not because mana wyrm is so good, but because they run a lot of cheap spells.
Also don't forget coin. I think the average mech mage over the course of a full deck game has 9.5 spells.
toddhunter
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Priest beat Patron!
It makes me really sad just how bad these patron players are.
Classic offers the best value, but if you are going to spend money, the adventures are a better buy.
toddhunter
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Can you name one miss play in that match?
I already own Both adventures.
Sadly I didn't watch all of them but I really don't like the composition of some of the patrons in the tourney.
Now think that with that level of play they came to where they are now.
I don't see much divergence for how to build a Patron deck lately, so I'm not really sure what you're referring to.
Then you can get the ones you need the most cards from. Or split. Generally, Classic has the most useful Epics and Legendaries iirc.
There are small changes but they make a huge difference in survival and draw.
Every deck runs 2 of these key cards:
Whirlwind
Battle Rage
Fiery War Axe
Acolyte of Pain
Frothing Berserker
Warsong Commander
Death's Bite
Grim Patron
Emperor Thaurissan
The rest is a mix of card draw, removal, patron activators, and survivability, and that's where the differences come in.
Mobius and pet octopus
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That is mostly accurate but I don't think every deck runs 2 fiery war axes, some run only 1 and I don't think it is unusual either.
Also I think every one of them runs 2 executes.
Yeah I've seen some people swapping the second war axe for a second slam instead. I guess the idea is that with all the secret Paladins around that War Axe isn't getting the job done dealing with early minions by itself amymore..
There isn't a typical list. Every Patron variant is a little better at one thing and a little worse at another. There is a core, however, and it's:
Battle Rage
Deathbite
Grim Patron
Warsong Commander
Frothing Berserker
Thaurissan
Whirlwind
Acolyte of Pain
Execute
Gnomish Inventor
And then stuff that comes down to the player include:
Fiery Waraxe
Grom
Shield Block
Shield Slam
Dread Corsair
Inner Rage
Slam
Armorsmith
Taskmaster
Unstable Ghoul
Commanding Shout
Battle Rage
Deathbite
Grim Patron
Warsong Commander
Frothing Berserker
Thaurissan
Whirlwind
Acolyte of Pain
Execute
Gnomish Inventor
And then stuff that comes down to the player include:
Fiery Waraxe
Grom
Shield Block
Shield Slam
Dread Corsair
Inner Rage
Slam
Armorsmith
Taskmaster
Unstable Ghoul
Commanding Shout
Mobius and pet octopus
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Really lucky druid but the mage gave him a chance to get that luck. I don't think the druid had a chance if he just simply removed the 4/2. He played greedy when he absolutely did not need to. The choice between a 90% chance to win and a 100% chance to win.
Classic has a ton of core cards that will probably never be cycled out of the metagame. It's also twice as big as GvG or TGT. You'll get a free classic pack each week but that doesn't mean you shouldn't buy cards from the set, since it's so much larger than the others. I would buy from classic first.
After that, go to the OP under "Websites and Forums" and go to Gutshot's Collection Spreadsheet. Copy it to your own google account and track your collection there. It'll give you completion percentages for each set. After that, just try to spend your gold on packs from the set that has the lowest completion percentage for you.
Officerrob
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