Officerrob
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I've never even seen Icehowl played
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Hearthstone |OT4| The warsong has ended, please patron other decks
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Seems like Annotron is a bit stronger because the Boom Bot hero power can hit face. Even though the Boom Bot hero power counters the Annoyotron hero power, if it whiffs then you will fall behind on board hard.
Though I guess if Boom Bot gets ahead then it can just ball out of control and finish the game fast.
Though I guess if Boom Bot gets ahead then it can just ball out of control and finish the game fast.
Subliminal Dr boom nerf.
It's actually Thrall in disguise.
CelticKnight
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Play 6 brawl's as Annoy-o-tron in a a row, lose 6 times. 1st time as Boom Bot and I steamroller to a win.
I think I'm done with this Tavern Brawl for now.
I think I'm done with this Tavern Brawl for now.
Damn... Boom Bots got Ogre Warmaul in its deck?
Yes, basically if it has RNG and comes from GvG it will be in Boom Bot's arsenal. Three non-RNG cards I got were Goblin Sapper, Lightbombs and that 1 drop that deals damage to both heroes, though.
"That didn't quite hit the mark"
I actually started playing this yesterday and have been doing surprisingly well with it. It's so true that it all comes full circle, ramp druid and face hunters are popular again, lol (With almost identical deck lists as previously popular versions of these decks)
This hero power is what the boom bots should ACTUALLY do.
When I play face hunter, I don't get the card draw that others have.
I make call-outs when I'm playing against them, and it happens.
Kinda ridiculous.
Maybe I should record it.
paperboywriter
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cant even win in brawl
edit: on my 5. try, cant seem to win. i dont know whats going on
edit: on my 5. try, cant seem to win. i dont know whats going on
Kotetsu534
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Of my last 7 losses in Arena, two have been because of top-decked Deathwings. I'm not even mad.
I should point out that this hero power is actually just what a SINGLE Boom Bot does if it always hit for 1 damage.
Yes the hero power says deal 2 damage randomly but an actual Boom Bot gets to attack something (because it has 1 attack) and then also gets to hit something for 1-4. That is why a single Boom Bot can actually take out a Belcher.
This hero power is IN FACT worse than a single Boom Bot. Like if for two mana you just summoned a Boom Bot that would actually be much better.
So, I had this arena run with a mech shaman that looked good for me http://www.heartharena.com/arena-run/8082ff
I lost 0-3, with some bullshit like mad bomber only hitting my acidic swamp ooze even when he had a zombie chow next to him, and even a loss to a warrior
So blizzard realized how fucking awful RNGesus was with me and gave me a good consolation prize
I lost 0-3, with some bullshit like mad bomber only hitting my acidic swamp ooze even when he had a zombie chow next to him, and even a loss to a warrior
So blizzard realized how fucking awful RNGesus was with me and gave me a good consolation prize
Right. I mean when a single Boom Bot dies, it should do 1 damage to 2 random enemies, rather than deal 1-4 damage to a random enemy.
usp84
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I have a problem on my Android phone(Xiaomi Redmi Note 2).
Sometimes when a game is loaded and there is the screen which shows the two player heroes(right before you pick cards) the game get stuck there. If i end the app and start it again then the game plays fine but usually i have lost the first 2-3 turns and the chance to pick my cards.
Any help please?
Sometimes when a game is loaded and there is the screen which shows the two player heroes(right before you pick cards) the game get stuck there. If i end the app and start it again then the game plays fine but usually i have lost the first 2-3 turns and the chance to pick my cards.
Any help please?
I only get 40 dust from these weekly brawls, and I barely have any legendaries.
FormallyFamicom
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This brawl sucks, how is Blizzard this bad at designing premade decks when they can use the entire card pool? It isn't even that flavorful.
Well the flavor is that it's a mech battle so you have a bunch of GvG/Mech cards.
Extra Credits talks power creep in Hearthstone.
https://youtu.be/M3b3hDvRjJA
Basically, Magma Rager and Evil Heckler aren't an issue. Piloted Shredder is.
https://youtu.be/M3b3hDvRjJA
Basically, Magma Rager and Evil Heckler aren't an issue. Piloted Shredder is.
Evil Heckler does not fall below the power curve.
It's actually right on top of the curve for what you would expect/want from a 4 drop minion. It's essentially Yeti + 1 stat because of the Taunt.
Of course the issue still goes back to Piloted Shredder. Evil Heckler does not contest Shredder and thus is a bad card. They could've made a 6/4 taunt and it would see the exact same problem.
It's actually right on top of the curve for what you would expect/want from a 4 drop minion. It's essentially Yeti + 1 stat because of the Taunt.
Of course the issue still goes back to Piloted Shredder. Evil Heckler does not contest Shredder and thus is a bad card. They could've made a 6/4 taunt and it would see the exact same problem.
Brawndo Addict
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Evil Heckler and Ice Rager are still examples of power creep. This point is obfuscated by his use of a single line to represent the power curve of the game. But the single line represents an abstracted average, it is not the 'raw' data. The raw data would be a bunch of single points representing individual cards. Your analysis ends with the average, it doesn't start there.
Evil Heckler and Ice Rager are obviously above their original version's data points, so as a result, they will bring up the averaged power curve line however slightly. It doesn't make mathematical sense to say that an averaged value can only go up with the addition of data points on the high end.
Data Set: 2 4 8 10 Average Value: 6
Data Set: 4 6 8 10 Average Value: 7
Your averaged power curve still goes up even if you only add cards that ultimately fall below the averaged value.
Evil Heckler and Ice Rager are obviously above their original version's data points, so as a result, they will bring up the averaged power curve line however slightly. It doesn't make mathematical sense to say that an averaged value can only go up with the addition of data points on the high end.
Data Set: 2 4 8 10 Average Value: 6
Data Set: 4 6 8 10 Average Value: 7
Your averaged power curve still goes up even if you only add cards that ultimately fall below the averaged value.
Ice Rager is fine and not actually "power creep". 5/2 stats are just right for 3 mana. It's actually even worse because the base line 3 mana creature is at 7 stats, like Spider Tank which even has the Mech tag where as Ice Rager doesn't have a tag. Or 6 mana worth of stat with a good ability (Earthen Ring, Raging Worgen).
Magma Rager as a card should never have existed because it was so horribly below the power curve for a 3 drop. Just like Silverback Patriarch. Blizzard can release a 2/4 Beast with Taunt and it would be whatever.
The example for Evil Heckler is just gross because it's subtracting a whole mana from the original card. It's basically admitting that Booty Bay Bodyguard was 2 whole stat points below the curve. They can essentially release a King of the Arena which would be a 5 mana 6/5 taunt and that would fall in line with the Evil Heckler example.
Magma Rager as a card should never have existed because it was so horribly below the power curve for a 3 drop. Just like Silverback Patriarch. Blizzard can release a 2/4 Beast with Taunt and it would be whatever.
The example for Evil Heckler is just gross because it's subtracting a whole mana from the original card. It's basically admitting that Booty Bay Bodyguard was 2 whole stat points below the curve. They can essentially release a King of the Arena which would be a 5 mana 6/5 taunt and that would fall in line with the Evil Heckler example.
BananasWithGuns
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Are you fucking kidding me....
Boom Bot has 1 health left, drops Madder Bomber. Doesn't hit his face, instead kills my taunt and hits my face to set up perfect lethal.
How can anyone take this shit seriously?
Boom Bot has 1 health left, drops Madder Bomber. Doesn't hit his face, instead kills my taunt and hits my face to set up perfect lethal.
How can anyone take this shit seriously?
Ice Rager and Heckler were just being judged against different versions of the card, not against the curve and that had all to do with what Dahbomb is saying and not exactly with how the game (right now) and the meta is directly affected by their inclusion. Everyone got hung up on it because I guess the definition of "power creep" as a term is apparently pretty strict and a lot of people were using the term to describe the issue with just introducing an improved version of an old card with a different name, regardless if it was played before or not (which both cards weren't, thus apparently that made them not fit in the category of power creep).
They are still an issue, just not the same exact issue and probably not as big of an issue, true. Next time just don't use the term power creep I guess, and then people will stop pretending anyone who says anything about it is wrong on the basis that it doesn't adhere to a strict definition of a term that existed before this game.
They are still an issue, just not the same exact issue and probably not as big of an issue, true. Next time just don't use the term power creep I guess, and then people will stop pretending anyone who says anything about it is wrong on the basis that it doesn't adhere to a strict definition of a term that existed before this game.
I just think it's a bad slippery slope to be on.
Ice Rager sees no play. Next expansion they introduce Chaos Rager, 7/2 creature.
That doesn't see play, they make a 8/2 God Rager.
And so on. Or even worse examples:
King of the Arena: 5 mana 6/5 Taunt
Priest of Elune: 5 mana 5/4 Heal for 4 Health
etc.
Brawndo Addict
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It's still power creep, it's just not meaningful to the meta because the new cards still fall below the averaged value necessary to see play. But the 'floor' of card power getting higher is still power creep, and if left unchecked, eventually would matter to the meta. I think you can disagree with one part of what someone says without saying everything they said is wrong.
ED: I guess there's a precise technical definition for CCGs that has the meta relevance factor embedded into it.
ED: I guess there's a precise technical definition for CCGs that has the meta relevance factor embedded into it.
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