the amount of time these fucking animations take is fucking stupid. I'm doing my frothing turn and I have to wait for this little fucking token to spawn from the goddamn abomination before i can swing in to kill the guy so I can't even fucking queue up MY GODDAMN PIECE OF SHIT FUCKING ATTACK WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU THINKING WITH THESE FUCKING ANIMATIONS BLIZZARD?
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Hearthstone |OT4| The warsong has ended, please patron other decks
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Breh ain't no one going to give you sympathy for not getting your OTK Berserker animations off...
It's an indefenisbly shitty design to have animation timers be the limit on what you're able to do in a turn, it's completely fucking insane
While we're at it, get the fuck over patron warrior. Honestly. Miracle rogue was fine too.
Ease up on the language friend. I am a Patron player too so I know where you are coming from.
The animation times on Berserkers/Armorsmiths/Patrons are the main aspect of the deck that keeps it from being commonplace because there will be turns where you have to make plays fast. Some people don't play/think that fast so they don't play Patron and that's fine.
If they shortened the animation times on these minions then that would be a huge buff to Patron deck.
irfaanator
Banned
these commercials. wtf lol
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Eloise casting with Kibler
toddhunter
Member
The problem isn't with Patron warrior, it is people who play patron warrior complaining about anything else in the game.
toddhunter
Member
And that is why Dragon Priest will never be that great.
Handlock, Patron and combo druid pretty much always have the shit they need, when they need it.
Handlock, Patron and combo druid pretty much always have the shit they need, when they need it.
oh you mean like actually broken problematic shit?
toddhunter
Member
Yeah that pretty much covers patron warrior.
You copied a deck that can do huge amounts of damage from an empty board "BUT OH NO THE ANIMATIONS ARE LONG!!!"
It just doesn't add up.
Animations are in fact shit.
Your opinion about patron being okay is statistically shit; patron's continued existence is also not in keeping with public statements from the game designers about intended direction of balance, nor previous nerfs delivered to cards/decks operating on similar modals, which is especially egregious in that patron is generally the most flexible and forgiving iteration to have existed. So perhaps a justification beyond "it's fine, get over it" is warranted.
copied a deck, lol.
I guess I should be building my decks from silverback patriarchs and shit just so I can say I have something truly unique rather than trying to win the fucking games I play.
toddhunter
Member
If you do, feel free to complain about broken shit like Patron warrior.
See? The system works.
turn 2 esportal.
turn 3 1 mana murloc knight + mirror image.
f this game.
Looking at my stats today, if I ignore the games I lost to pos casino mages, it would only leave one loss against control warrior, almost to rank 10 with oil rogue. Not bad! paladins are easy.
It's like RNG just wants to ruin my win streak.
Also, dragon priest with double divine spirit + inner fire. REALLY? what he cut for those? I got 16 damage to face and still won with 3 health lol.
turn 3 1 mana murloc knight + mirror image.
f this game.
Looking at my stats today, if I ignore the games I lost to pos casino mages, it would only leave one loss against control warrior, almost to rank 10 with oil rogue. Not bad! paladins are easy.
It's like RNG just wants to ruin my win streak.
Also, dragon priest with double divine spirit + inner fire. REALLY? what he cut for those? I got 16 damage to face and still won with 3 health lol.
that's not a system that works. it's you enforcing some silly moral hierarchy on the decks people choose to use in a fucking card game.
I don't think I've ever even complained about the deck someone else has run anyway but the entire concept you're presenting is ridiculous.
Haunted
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Ok, so you don't have deckbuilding skill, and you don't have the skill to pull off the combo in time. Maybe you should just play face hunter?
irfaanator
Banned
i think thats the combo dragon priest deck from hearthpwn
I mean I saw the at the end of his turn when he played one minion too many but I hesitated to redo the math so I waited maybe 10 seconds before I started it up, between patrons spawning, berserker buffing, and sludge belcher's spawning their dudes It took up my whole turn. The problem was because of the belcher spawns i had to wait twice to queue new actions.
Lets get back to that deckbuilding skill. how many pro players, well known deckbuilders, take decks they didn't personally construct into tournaments? I'm thinking pretty much all of them? It's not because they can't build a deck, it's because the deck is already there, it's already built, you tweak it for the matchups you expect to see, a tech choice here or there, but you play largely the same skeleton for a lot of decks because it works and synergizes on a fundamental level. If I wanted to tank my rating trying out some wildly divergent deck while refining it and refining it I could do that. I just don't feel like losing all the matches it takes to realize that oh hey, maybe I SHOULD be running innervate and combo after all! (you shouldn't need to lose a game as druid to know that you should be running combo)
It's absolutely insane that people think it's some sort of mark of honor to only run unique decks, just absolutely insane.
I think it's in large part a function of card strength and synergy although I'm sure there are deck types that haven't been explored yet. Blizzard doesn't seem to be interested in doing a lot of rebalancing tho :l
Maybe everyone should in general be less confrontational?
Whinging about patron accomplishes nothing. It won't help the general discourse on the merits of its state of balance, it won't help you understand the deck in the meta, and it certainly won't encourage opposing points of view to do the same. Similarly, responding to people's base cries for attention on the internet in kind is equal, if opposite, in vapidity.
Deckbuilding skill is, also, necessarily not the product of a single individual. The moment you decide to change a deck's contents based on experience in play against others, it is no longer a singular creation but a reflection of and response to ideas external to your own. We generally refer to this as "the meta."
I am not a big Freeze Mage sympathizer but the Freeze Mage vs Control Warrior match right now is the biggest joke in the game.
It used to be 9-1 in GvG, then Emperor Thaurissan got introduced and it was a bit better for Freeze Mage. Now with Justicar that match up is just damn near unwinnable.
Thing about Justicar is that it doesn't really improve CW's bad match ups (because otherwise CW would be a tier 1 deck)... Justicar HEAVILY improves CW's already good match ups.
It used to be 9-1 in GvG, then Emperor Thaurissan got introduced and it was a bit better for Freeze Mage. Now with Justicar that match up is just damn near unwinnable.
Thing about Justicar is that it doesn't really improve CW's bad match ups (because otherwise CW would be a tier 1 deck)... Justicar HEAVILY improves CW's already good match ups.
Ok, then if you don't want to build decks then learn to pull off the combo in time. Belchers taking a while to die isn't a new thing, and the deck's OP enough already.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Lost a game from 4 + 4 dmg from boom bots to the face for perfect lethal
Agree on that last bit. Justicar feels like a win more card in CW's hands.
The problem with Freeze mage is that it hasn't gotten any new tools to deal increasing power from other fronts. It's actually pretty similar to the problem rogue has in general. Both have a fairly limited pool of damage they do because of their reliance on spells rather than minions. Blizzard kind of wants that, because it considers it more interactive to play with and against minions, so it's probably not going to get changed anytime soon.
At least mage can play other deck archetypes. Rogue is rather screwed in that fashion since it has no other good archetype other than tinker right now.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Wow Kvaldir raider is pretty nuts in Arena
On the other hand, Joust is even worse in Arena then in Constructed
On the other hand, Joust is even worse in Arena then in Constructed
Stephen_drewz
Member
Complete noob here but wondering if someone could answer a question I have about a midrange hunter deck.
This is the deck in question.
I am assuming flare is in the deck due to the mass of secret paladins at the moment but unless I am misunderstanding the card Mad Scientist wouldn't it be a bad thing for either of the Mad Scienctists to put your one and only secret into the battlefield so early? Would that not just give them a chance to pop it early?
Again, very noob question. I unfortunately watch and collect cards in hearthstone more then I play due to severe anxiety issues with this game. Trying to get some decks together and overcome it though.
Just realised i have 6.5k dust. Might be time I finally start playing around with druid since I can craft literally anything I need.
This is the deck in question.
I am assuming flare is in the deck due to the mass of secret paladins at the moment but unless I am misunderstanding the card Mad Scientist wouldn't it be a bad thing for either of the Mad Scienctists to put your one and only secret into the battlefield so early? Would that not just give them a chance to pop it early?
Again, very noob question. I unfortunately watch and collect cards in hearthstone more then I play due to severe anxiety issues with this game. Trying to get some decks together and overcome it though.
Just realised i have 6.5k dust. Might be time I finally start playing around with druid since I can craft literally anything I need.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Mad Scientist is ridiculous. Auto include in not Secret Santa Paladin decks running secrets. Also he is running 3 secrets - Bear Trap x2 and Freezing x1.
Stephen_drewz
Member
Oops, completely forgot about that card. Which is funny because I had to go check if I even had it. Ok I can see how getting those secret/s in play early for "free" would be beneficial.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Teching Flare in seems pretty useless anyway, Paladin early game is auto ez mode anyway so they can win with just SHIELDS UP RED ALERT + REPORTING FOR DUTY
edit: ok i tried it and it won me one game, teched in in over quick shot. mite b cool
edit: ok i tried it and it won me one game, teched in in over quick shot. mite b cool
poppedcollar69
Member
what if there was card text that said 'at the beginning of your turn, x% chance to draw this card instead of the card you would have ordinarily drawn'
Stephen_drewz
Member
That Hunter class challenege in Naxx, so RNG dependant.
Ventilaator
Banned
The end is coming
The end is coming
The end is coming
*6 fatigue damage*
Tried flare and it was ok for the time that Paladins swarmed the ladder. Not enough of them right now to justify flare anymore.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Eloise casting with Trump is pretty damn good.
Wut? These are great rewards? U even got the TGT pack.
Shaman is and will remain shit until something is done with overload. Lavashock is a move in the right direction, but is no where near enough.
It's like reverse-ramp druid, only you need to continually draw overload minions to play "on curve" and if you don't, you're fucked, especially given the prevalence of cheap removal.
Making lavashock a 0 mana card would instantly make shaman competitive. Even if the damage was lowered to 1.
Or add a card like this that fixes SO MANY shaman problems:
It's like reverse-ramp druid, only you need to continually draw overload minions to play "on curve" and if you don't, you're fucked, especially given the prevalence of cheap removal.
Making lavashock a 0 mana card would instantly make shaman competitive. Even if the damage was lowered to 1.
Or add a card like this that fixes SO MANY shaman problems:
Shaman has so many effective tools for drawing and playing overload already, right? That's why everyone who plays shaman uses its overload minions, and definitely doesn't grudgingly use its overload spells because there aren't other options, and people also use lavashock because it's definitely worth the card slot.
Needs to deal 5 damage to an enemy to be balanced really.
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