Yes, but I suspect it will need to be a combo priest rather than a nuke one. You'll run out of gas too fast without card draw. You're basically looking at an enhanced version of the velen deck which exists now -- I suspect it will be notably improved.
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Yes, but I suspect it will need to be a combo priest rather than a nuke one. You'll run out of gas too fast without card draw. You're basically looking at an enhanced version of the velen deck which exists now -- I suspect it will be notably improved.
EnVy_CaLiBeR
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Toshley is better because you're guaranteed at least one spell for Antonidas and not many people are going to waste a silence to stop a spare part. Not to mention Toshley isn't a BGH target.
Rhonin is worth silencing so your opponent doesn't get the three spells and he's a BGH target. I also think I'd rather have the chance to get stealth or Taunt for Antonidas over three inconsistent arcane missiles.
Yeah, that's the big question. I think it'll be interesting to see it in practice. It's theoretically an additional 9 damage to face, and at worst, it taunted off a silence.
The Lamonster
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When does TGT come out?
Toshley has a much better body and trades extremely well with other minions around its cost, at 6 mana it's very playable.
This is a 8 mana war golem.
Toshley gives you something immediately if you just want to activate Antonidas. This could get silenced or morphed and you get nothing. Toshley is quite a bit better for this purpose and even that isn't played all that often. I don't see this one get picked much more than it if at all.
I think with flash heal, Gazlowe Mech priest may not be such a bad option. You've got the synergy and the new 3/4 legendaries on top of spare parts make them a pretty good all around.
I plan on running:
Mech Priest
Control Warrior
Control Priest
Lock and Load Hunter
Mega ramp druid
Top deck druid
Grim Patron
Totem Shaman
???
New set should be interesting.
Toshley is also 2 mana less. I don't mean that Rhonin won't be played, but I suspect that a replacement for Toshley isn't the place he takes.
Thinking about it, beyond this, the biggest indictment might be that Antonidas himself is 7 mana, so these spells are coming in a bit late.
Looking at the current list on Tempostorm...: https://tempostorm.com/hearthstone/meta-snapshot/meta-snapshot-24-aggro-aggro-aggro
You would want to get Ragnaros back in, but I'm not sure how many of these are actually a problem to be pulling out for free on the board given their stats.
Let's say you played Varian and pulled out Alexstrasza, Nefarian, and a Shield Maiden.
Like... does it really matter at that point? You just got a 7/7, 8/8, 8/8, and a 5/5 on the board for 10 mana.
I don't think that's true at all. I'm not sad in the slightest when a deathlord pulls my alextrasa. When you get 0 mana 5/5s and 7/7s and 8/8s, you aren't sad about missing a battlecry.
I'd not sad when Dr Boom becomes a 0 mana 7/7 than Dr Boom, for example.
Is Naxx out?
Yeah. It's just going to come down to if people save their board clears now and wipe all of your fatties at once.
I think he's a good card if the meta slows a bit.
Super Nothing
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What happens if you have Chromaggus out and then you play Varian? Will you play both copies of a drawn minion, or just the one that is pulled from the deck?
They haven't announced the date yet. There is a live stream on Friday with Frodan and Ben Brode. The best guess is they will give the release date on that stream.
Lot's of speculation earlier this month was a 24th release date.
Interfectum
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I'm liking this week's tavern brawl... destroying with a spell loaded pally.
The problem I have with this card is that it isn't easy to stick a beast on turn 4. Your opponent is already incentivized to kill any beasts you have before your turn 4 due to houndmaster and there aren't really any 4 cost beasts that hunter wants to play that have a chance to stick.
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Trigger_happy
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Varian seems insane, now i feel bad for Aviana.
Professor Lich
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I really like Rohnin because BGH on him is just what the Mage wants you to do. You can burn a Silence on him but that still leaves a 7/7. Same thing with Wrynn, he's BGH able but that's not an issue if you get the draws. I really like these cards.
EnVy_CaLiBeR
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That light bomb value...
I'd play him in a deck with Sneeds, Kelthuzad, and Ysera.
Then your Lightbomb means nothing.
Varian looks amazing. Battlecry Shmattlecry. Drawing 3 cards, instantly playing any minions for free is crazy good. Charge and Taunt are nice substitutes, and in the end you still could get beefy dudes on the battlefield. Compare this with Neptulon, which is restricted to murlocs, causes overload, and puts them in your hand rather than on the board. Wow.
Rhonin...
He's the leader of the 'Tor, you know him well!
He's finally back, to cast some spells!
His Arcane Missiles, can fire in spurts,
With a Flamewaker, it's gonna hurt!
Ram Wrangler? What's the angle here? Keep your pets out so you might get a Highmane?
Rhonin...
He's the leader of the 'Tor, you know him well!
He's finally back, to cast some spells!
His Arcane Missiles, can fire in spurts,
With a Flamewaker, it's gonna hurt!
Ram Wrangler? What's the angle here? Keep your pets out so you might get a Highmane?
I think the deck will play differently than most Hunters. It might have more spells to handle the board, allowing ways for turn 2 and 3 minions to live. Secrets might also remain in the deck, which means Snakes & Freezing could protect the earlier played beasts or summon new ones.
Cards with Battle Cry text have proven they can easily trigger in the right deck. Goblin Blast Mage is the perfect example.
It's the Hunter version of Bane of Doom. On average it will be good value, but the random summon might win or loss you the game, the chances of top tier beasts is greater than 1 cost beasts. Summoning a 2 drop will give you average stats split across 2 bodies. Only usable in beast decks to limit it's use.
Smooth Operator
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Quick fix for me
Ditto. Just like last time.
One does not simply cut Grom.
Well you probably want to cut out Alex in a deck with Varian since it loses the battlecry if i gets pulled out, and Kelthuzad synergizes wih Varian. Then if you don't have Alex in your deck, Grom loses a lot of value and synergy.
Super Nothing
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Gromm would be perfect for Varian. Play a 10 mana 7/7, get Grom for free (8 mana), play Inner Rage on Gromm for 12 damage to face.
Varian is awesome from a value perspective. If you're already a bit ahead or your life is not being immediately threatened he is a huge drop. On the backfoot you'd want to hope to hit a Belcher or something.
Definitely not a combo card but seems great in a more classic control warrior.
Definitely not a combo card but seems great in a more classic control warrior.
OK yeah play Inner Rage in Control Warrior, good luck with that.
Yep, Xanathus is right. The first thing I thought is "you'll have to cut alex."
But cutting alex has all sorts of consequences -- more so than Grom, in my opinion. I'm sure every control warrior has won a decent number of games (that is, not just rare quirks, but a pretty common occurrence) where some aggro decks had run them down to 6 health on turn 9 and alex saved them and turned the tide when the aggro decks was running out of gas.
It is specifically that component that's hard to replace regarding alex. Any warrior that runs Varian and cuts Alex/Grom will need to be more survivable in other ways, or accept that highly aggressive decks will become far less dominant a matchup.
But cutting alex has all sorts of consequences -- more so than Grom, in my opinion. I'm sure every control warrior has won a decent number of games (that is, not just rare quirks, but a pretty common occurrence) where some aggro decks had run them down to 6 health on turn 9 and alex saved them and turned the tide when the aggro decks was running out of gas.
It is specifically that component that's hard to replace regarding alex. Any warrior that runs Varian and cuts Alex/Grom will need to be more survivable in other ways, or accept that highly aggressive decks will become far less dominant a matchup.
EnVy_CaLiBeR
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Don't you dare utter such profane language!
Alex has been swappable for Ysera in Control Warrior for a while now. However, Grom is just too powerful as a finisher in CW and works well with Ysera if you pull Awakens.
Also, decks can take many more risks against an Alex/Grom-less warrior. Most notably, handlock(and other control decks) can safely hit much lower health levels and without having to worry about dying to burst from the warrior.
I think Varian is interesting and potentially quite powerful, but I believe he was created more for whatever taunt archetype they are trying to push than current control warrior.
I strongly agree.
crazygambit
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Blocked at work. Can someone host the pic somewhere else? Or alternatively describe what they do?
Dr.Horrible
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Same here but having fun with the Priest. Love mind stealing a good minion and then getting another 10 mana one.
These work? http://imgur.com/a/e05pI
Varian 10 mana 7/7 draw 3 cards. Put any minions you drew directly into the battlefield
Rhonin 8 mana 7/7. Deathrattle: add 3 copies of arcane missiles to your hand.
Varian Wrynn, 10 mana, 7/7: draw 3 cards. Any creatures you draw are immediately put in to play.
Rhonin: 8 mana, 7/7; when Rhonin dies, put 3 copies of arcane missiles in your hand.
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