You probably can't silence it back to a 1/1. It would probably work as some kind of transform effect.
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You probably can't silence it back to a 1/1. It would probably work as some kind of transform effect.
Could be summoned by a Desert Camel too.
BananasWithGuns
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Classes with weaker class minions would probably take a long look at Zerus. Warlock most notably.
You don't silence a faceless'd rag into a 3/3, though.
Edit: Misread, thought you said "can"
I love him so so much, both in art and design. I want a zerus plushie. Plz blizz.
RecRoulette
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Thank fuck Duplicate is getting rotated out of play, Zerus + Duplicate is going to be crazy in wild.
Honestly when you've got multiple cards that break existing rules and/or their text doesn't even convey half of their mechanics in one set it's time to rethink your card text philosphy. Until now "transform" left no trace of the original card, how can this guy shift back and forth despite using the same keyword? Obviously Yogg-Saron is a different beast but an extra sentence on Zerus wouldn't have hurt anyone.
At least they should consider creating an actual rule book so you don't have to scour through a billion tweets, blueposts and reddit threads to find out how a card actually works and interacts with other ones. Or official word on phase order, how nice would that be?
At least they should consider creating an actual rule book so you don't have to scour through a billion tweets, blueposts and reddit threads to find out how a card actually works and interacts with other ones. Or official word on phase order, how nice would that be?
Unlikely to duplicate Zerus. It'll probably duplicate whatever he turned into.
They should use something like "shift" instead to distinguish it, I agree.
This game while simple at its core and is going to be impossible for new players to understand what does what if they keep this up.
RecRoulette
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If you can get duplicate down before you draw him though, that would be pretty crazy.
hmmmm, I mean you're putting him in your deck for flexibility right? he might be a 4-drop when you need to play something on 4, he might be a 6-drop when you need a big minion.
You still have to pay all associated costs with the minion he becomes, you have to worry about not having synergies, you have to recognize that he will on average, be average for the mana cost. How many times are you going to wind up with the correct minion to 'answer the board'? or make your turn work well?
I think for a lot of decks there are a lot of minions they would rather have reliably than the potential thing they could get out of this card.
If it was a spell tho.....
Edit: you have no control over what he becomes on a given turn so you're basically rolling the dice over the set of available minions and hoping you get something that is both a good card and applicable in the situation. Seems unlikely and a lot of the time you wind up with a useless card in your hand. You put 30 cards in your deck and chose not to put a different 30 cards because you believed that the cards you chose were the best for your gameplan, why would you give up one of those slots for a card that simply gives you a random card with no control over it's selection?
It would be cool if it was a controllable mechanic, like it was inspire in your hand. Then it could be a great card but as it is I just don't see it.
You still have to pay all associated costs with the minion he becomes, you have to worry about not having synergies, you have to recognize that he will on average, be average for the mana cost. How many times are you going to wind up with the correct minion to 'answer the board'? or make your turn work well?
I think for a lot of decks there are a lot of minions they would rather have reliably than the potential thing they could get out of this card.
If it was a spell tho.....
Edit: you have no control over what he becomes on a given turn so you're basically rolling the dice over the set of available minions and hoping you get something that is both a good card and applicable in the situation. Seems unlikely and a lot of the time you wind up with a useless card in your hand. You put 30 cards in your deck and chose not to put a different 30 cards because you believed that the cards you chose were the best for your gameplan, why would you give up one of those slots for a card that simply gives you a random card with no control over it's selection?
It would be cool if it was a controllable mechanic, like it was inspire in your hand. Then it could be a great card but as it is I just don't see it.
GwyndolinCinder
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Impossible to predict if that cards good or not, but either way its interesting and im glad it exists
Ysera doesn't even tell you what she does. Blizzard's philosophy has been to keep the card text simple and that seeing the card in action will tell you what you need to know. Being pedantic about card text matters more in this pre-release phase than it does when people actually have their hands on the cards.
Thistle Tea into Zerus would be a more reliable way of getting multiples. And achievable in Standard even!
This will make Golden Monkey games slightly more hilarious, which is always good.
which then makes it amazing when he turns into Zerus again.
which then makes it amazing when he turns into Zerus again.
RecRoulette
Member
Missed that reveal. You would basically be holding a slot machine, hilarious
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Turn 3, damn it's a master of evolution, 1 mana short
turn 4, now it's a wisp...
turn 5, faceless summoner, arrgh 1 mana short again!
turn 6, now its an abusive sergeant
turn 7, now it's a leper gnome
turn 8, now it's a river croc
turn 9, deathwing, 1 mana short!
turn 10, it's an argent squire
*breaks screen*
There are way more low drops than high ones too.
turn 4, now it's a wisp...
turn 5, faceless summoner, arrgh 1 mana short again!
turn 6, now its an abusive sergeant
turn 7, now it's a leper gnome
turn 8, now it's a river croc
turn 9, deathwing, 1 mana short!
turn 10, it's an argent squire
*breaks screen*
There are way more low drops than high ones too.
If you get three 7 drops, you win the game. =)
Super Nothing
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Pretty much my thoughts on it as well. This card is too random to even bother with. Unstable Portal worked because the discount allowed you to make a potentially game winning play if you got for example a 6 drop out on turn 3. Even if you didn't get the insane draw, you at least got a card that you could hold onto until you needed it or just throw on the board whenever you didn't have anything else to play. Zerus can't even guarantee you that.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Given enough turns, it's average strength in that game will rise. So it could be very popular in control decks imo. If we see how mana is distributed among the standard set we'll likely see a trend that supports him being almost always playable after turn 5. I'm sure someone will do the math on this card. The upside of this card is that it won't always be a dead card, compared to cards that are always a dead card, in a specific match up.
Emerson
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You realize how broken that is?
If it didn't change cost that would be broke as hell. It would have to be like 5 mana otherwise you would be doing stuff like Ragnaros on Turn 2.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Turn 1 deathwing, dragonlord, with a full hand of dragons... yes please.
Super Nothing
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That's not really that much of an upside. It's a total crapshoot what you get on any given turn. You're much better off building a deck of 30 cards with an intended purpose rather than 29 cards and whatever this thing wants to be next turn. And since it keeps shifting, even if it does land on something that you want, if you can't play it right then because of cost or current board state, then you lost your opportunity to cash it in at its peak value.
Yeah, I'll just put this boat that gives me fireballs every time I play a spell into my Rogue deck.
I know, that's why I'm asking, otherwise, the card is not very good since it's casino to the maximum. If only changes the text, is not exactly the most broken card either, with those stats it will barely survive a turn
Mobius and pet octopus
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It is potentially quite a good upside in control decks. Perhaps you don't play control much? I understand you want deck full of cards that work towards your win condition, but the fact that this changes every turn doesn't mean it cannot work towards that win condition.
Like most RNG cards, you might include it if you can on average get a good or better result out of it. And in longer games, you're highly likely to get a great result out of it not to mention the times you get a great result in a shorter game.
not a bad get from peddler. that's what is for.
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opened like 10 classic packs for kicks, they were insane. just got rag as far as legendary cards go but got a lot of on nerf list cards. I have 4 BGHs now, some more owls and knife jugglers, some of them golden. Golden Ancient of War too, unfortunately it wasn't lore, I already have golden of those. Got a mountain giant too I'm not sure they would nerf that.
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opened like 10 classic packs for kicks, they were insane. just got rag as far as legendary cards go but got a lot of on nerf list cards. I have 4 BGHs now, some more owls and knife jugglers, some of them golden. Golden Ancient of War too, unfortunately it wasn't lore, I already have golden of those. Got a mountain giant too I'm not sure they would nerf that.
okay so new deck arch type is Judo Rogue. You play burgle, undercity huckster, nefarion, this card, faceless manipulator, the new baby faceless manipulator, shadowcaster, finley mrgglton, gang up, thistle tea and some heal cards.
and then whatever you're up against you just use it against them.
and then whatever you're up against you just use it against them.
Super Nothing
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Is that really a strategy that you can build a deck around or even something that you can count on to happen with enough regularity to include in your Rogue deck? Even if you manage to pull Tony, you have to have 7 mana to play it the turn that it decides that it wants to be Tony and a spell that you can play right then to get Fireballs. If he turns into Tony on turn 4, unless you managed to Burgle some Innervates, you just missed your chance.
This reminds me of that brawl we had recently where each turn your cards had different mana costs. I remember how infuriating that was cause i was always 1 mana off from being able to play some stupid good card. I would imagine this is going to be similar.
Really wish Innervate got changed to only fill up 2 empty crystals instead of giving you 2.
Really wish Innervate got changed to only fill up 2 empty crystals instead of giving you 2.
CraigerGamer
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Does the opponent also see its "special glow?" I doubt it but I have to ask.
Just faced this interesting Egg Druid.
It got sort of outvalued by dragons and an excavated evil, but seemed fun to play. Was certainly fun to play against! Could the archetype work? Not really feeling Finley, or at least that they chose Steady Shot with him. Maybe heal?
Egg druid has been around already. I've played it the first month I got back into the game up to 10. It's ok, but I did not find it fun
Just faced this interesting Egg Druid.
It got sort of outvalued by dragons and an excavated evil, but seemed fun to play. Was certainly fun to play against! Could the archetype work? Not really feeling Finley, or at least that they chose Steady Shot with him. Maybe heal?
Egg Druid has been around for a few months now. It definitely works. I got rank 3 with it. The streamer who created it got top 5 Legend with it.
okay you get antonidas on 5, for one game and don't see him again for the next 7 games, good card, well played.
this dude is rolling from the entire available minion pool, every turn, you not only need to roll the right card but the right card at the right time.
MetroidPrimeRib
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shifter zerus looks like a card that was made so they could make a tavern brawl where you have 30 of him