this is the new aggro shaman card:
I read somewhere that some says that it won't be played since Earth Elemental costs 1 mana more and has taunt.
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Hearthstone |OT6| C'THUN for President! Why pick the lesser evil?
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I read somewhere that some says that it won't be played since Earth Elemental costs 1 mana more and has taunt.
Are you posting from bizarro world?
And also costs one more overload.
This is an aggressive card, Earth Elemental isn't really an aggressive card.
Chillmaw is pretty damn easy to play around and has a condition, this card is a battle cry near guaranteed full board clear that lives with an 8-6 body
Never mind he kills himself read the card wrong it's shit
Earth Elemental overloads for 3, which is way worse.
RumblingRosco
Member
I'm excited for Shaman and Priest. My two favorite classes look like they'll be competitive to some degree at least.
Also looking forward to just going full Control Priest in Wild with the new cards. All I want to do is steal and clear all my opponent's stuff until they get so salty they quit. Ah, that'll be fun. If I'm lucky each match will last at least 20 minutes.
Also looking forward to just going full Control Priest in Wild with the new cards. All I want to do is steal and clear all my opponent's stuff until they get so salty they quit. Ah, that'll be fun. If I'm lucky each match will last at least 20 minutes.
Might want to read that text again friend.
I am going to go ahead and say Forbidden Ancient.
Forbidden Ancient is always going to be an overcosted minion (4 mana 4/4, 5 mana 5/5.. no effects) where as for Forbidden Shaping most of the cards are better than those stats for the cost used. So at 2 mana you can still get a Razorfen Raptor which would be better than Forbidden Ancient.
They both aren't that good to be honest.
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
That Shaman 7/7 is like a Fel Reaver with a way smaller drawback and you can play it a turn earlier. Like you could coin it out on turn 3, fuck me.
And it's common?????
And it's common?????
After being first soured by the stuff Priest got, I'm now pretty stoked for C'Thun Priest!
I know. I believe it was in some Facebook comments so I didn't take it seriously.
I know. I believe it was in some Facebook comments so I didn't take it seriously.
Corrected post this is what excitement does
Thank goodness lots of classes have hard removal at 4 or 5 mana.
Emerson
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Whenever the game gets patched.
partyphone
Banned
this comes out sooner and has less overload, will only exist with a 5 mana BGH and isn't vulnerable to silence like fireguard.
now, when the rubber hits the road who knows but this has potential.
RecRoulette
Member
Shaman cards look fun. Can't wait to morph a bunch of totems.
partyphone
Banned
I'm super excited to play yogg mage
RIP rogue
RIP rogue
shadow word horror totally clears all that stuff you don't like
god such a terrible cardI am. I don't think Shadow Word: Horror is bad but it would be better if it included 3 attack minions but then it would probably be nuts.
Lightbomb, dude!
partyphone
Banned
not really any board clears cycling out of standard. blade flurry is the only big change in that regard.
this expansion reinforces the dynamic of minions beating each other up while spells and weapons are used to create swing turns as you fight for tempo.
Absolutely, I posted something in that regard a while ago where I was dreaming of a board clear expansion. While there was no consideration for the format change - i.e. most of the sticky garbage going away - back then, they went the opposite route and actively took away one of the few good board clears in addition to another one leaving standard in Lightbomb. Unless they print more board clears or like spam 10 good taunts each expansion the onus will forever be on the defending player, which is a highly problematic foundation for the game.
More relevant for arena than constructed. Classes can continue to use the board clears they have already. Sucks for Priest because they lose Lightbomb but I don't think other classes necessarily needed new clears. For most classes, having more than one is only relevant for fatigue or Reno.
this is the new aggro shaman card:
thank god for keeper
Can even do Flamewreathed Faceless, into Eternal Sentinel (2/3/2 that unlocks overload) and then Don't worry loves, the cavalry's here!
The clears that exist don't even necessarily completely clear. Flamestrike only does 4+spellpower and there are LOTS of minions now that will have much more HP than that by 7 mana. Consecrate hasn't been guaranteed to clear in a long time. Lightbomb and Blade Flurry were the only 2 that had scaling to acutally reliably make a clear. They just don't want that in the game I guess.
Poison Seed is gone, Druid's only real board wipe combo.
Blade Flurry is super nerfed.
Lightbomb removed.
Death's Bite was a great removal plus cleared trash minions.
No Explosive Sheep.
It's not just a lack of board clears but there's a lack of new weapons too. We got what... 3 new weapons... maybe 4 if you include that 1 mana Warrior card?
And there's a lack of single target big removals too. They nerfed three big removal options in the game and then they didn't provide more class specific options to remove stuff.
Mage got removal as if Mage needed yet another removal in their arsenal... and Warlock got a board wipe as if they needed yet another board wipe. Classes remain in their written in stone archetypes.
Blade Flurry is super nerfed.
Lightbomb removed.
Death's Bite was a great removal plus cleared trash minions.
No Explosive Sheep.
It's not just a lack of board clears but there's a lack of new weapons too. We got what... 3 new weapons... maybe 4 if you include that 1 mana Warrior card?
And there's a lack of single target big removals too. They nerfed three big removal options in the game and then they didn't provide more class specific options to remove stuff.
Mage got removal as if Mage needed yet another removal in their arsenal... and Warlock got a board wipe as if they needed yet another board wipe. Classes remain in their written in stone archetypes.
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
It's like an aura, so yeah it has to be alive, you can bet your ass it's gonna be removed asap.
Super Nothing
Member
Wait, isn't Forbidden Ancient a 4 mana 5/5? It's base stats are 1/1 and it gets +1/+1 for every mana spent on summoning it, so it should actually be better than average if you use all of your mana on it.
So? They were options in the game that allowed for combos/control and could've seen more play with more cards. Poison Seeds in particular seems pretty decent right about now with all these big non Deathrattle minions existing in the game.
You are paying 1 mana for 1/1 then each mana you spend after that adds +1/+1.
So if you are at 2 mana, you spend 1 mana to summon the 1/1 and then the remaining mana makes it a +1/+1. If it costed 0 mana then yeah what you said was true but it costs 1 mana just to play (unlike the other Forbidden cards that cost 0).
the card itself cost 1 mana unlike other forbidden cards.
Super Nothing
Member
Oh, I thought it was a 0 cost like the other Forbidden cards. That's significantly worse.
That sucks. I thought the card was going to be pretty good.
Revelc
Dude we started this conversation by you thinking that we needed board clears for a control meta. Losing board clears that aren't meta defining won't affect the meta.
Professor Lich
Member
That's a good question. I kind of see the buffs on C'Thun while he's still in your deck 'held' somewhere, probably just on the card itself. Once on the board, cards that buff him will just buff him.
However, once removed, I could see the counter getting reset since all buffs leading up to then are 'consumed,' by that instance of C'Thun. It's just going to take some experimenting to find out.
We are talking about different metas here.
Poison Seed is awful in a meta where everyone is playing Deathrattle minions but in a meta where they are playing large minions with no Deathrattles it's actually pretty good. I would like it if Druid has retained that option but they aren't.
Furthermore Druid is losing the Combo Druid archetype so they either need to play an aggressive/tempo style or play slower with a Ramp/Control playstyle. Hard to play a control playstyle when you have piss poor board control options.
And that's the theme of this expansion... if you couldn't play a control playstyle before then you aren't playing a control playstyle going into the next expansion.
Why not use Argent Horseriders? And seems like you want at least one copy of Stand against Darkness too for synergy with Warden and Knife Juggler.
I would also use Pagle in there instead of Mukla. Already enough 3 drops, you could use a solid 2 drop to play.
trying to build a healing cthun deck right now, lots of shit in the 4-5 slot
Here it is, still tweeking it though (between holy champion, soulpriest and c'thun's chosen, maybe trueheart as well)
Here it is, still tweeking it though (between holy champion, soulpriest and c'thun's chosen, maybe trueheart as well)
Infernodash
Member
The priest reveals today look like angsty teens and one slightly resembles a bootleg Avatar. sigh... They're decent cards but I look over at the once dead Shaman class and I'm highly jealous. At least rogue still has it worst than us. A lot of the cards are steal worthy, so I'll be changing a lot of minds when the new standard hits!
That bloodhoof brave is a prime target against control warriors worth stealing.
That bloodhoof brave is a prime target against control warriors worth stealing.
Cut the Knife Jugglers for Worgen Infiltrator.
LyleLanley
Banned
I really wish there was a solo adventure to go along with this.