How do I go about deciding which decks I'm closest to building? Is there any place I can enter all my cards and have it tell me which decks I'm close to building and which cards I need?
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Hearthstone |OT6| C'THUN for President! Why pick the lesser evil?
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How do I go about deciding which decks I'm closest to building? Is there any place I can enter all my cards and have it tell me which decks I'm close to building and which cards I need?
You aren't delaying damage, you are skipping the opponent's turn.
If they play something on turn 1, you play Doomsayer, their turn 2 is skipped. This gives you freedom to do something on turn 3 that can't be readily answered by your opponent. For control/late game oriented deck that is a vital aspect of their win condition.
The difficult part is knowing when to use Doomsayer. Shaman plays turn 1 Tunnel Trogg, you anticipate turn 2 Totem Golem thinking it's Aggro Shaman or turn 2 Flametongue Totem laying down the Doomsayer. However, it's not aggro Shaman it's just Midrange Shaman and they are fine with one turn delay and then they can amass a bigger board later on and kill you with Bloodlust.
Honestly, it's one of the most difficult cards to play properly. A lot of it rides on knowing your opponent's deck/option/hand and reading the situation.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
I also just remembered there are a lot less deathrattle minions that leave new minions behind, so doomsayer got a bit stronger because of that too. Less silence and less sticky deathrattles.
Hearthpwn.com, and you can automatically upload your collection with their Innkeeper application for Windows. Once your collection is synced, you can instantly see how much dust you need for any deck in their site.
Infernodash
Member
Funnily enough, I have not come across a single owl since standard. It's usually removals being burned to get rid doom. I'm gonna try a variation without it, but for now I see it as indispensable for having board control / regaining board or just keeping it clear until turn 4.
I wouldn't use a tempostorm list. Your opponent will know exactly what you have in your deck which gives them an advantage.
Hearthpwn has good and bad lists. Usually reading the comments will give you an idea of how a deck performs.
So I've fallen even further up the ladder using aggro. flooding the board while not over reaching with Zoolock can be an easy way to ladder.
Only played a couple games but I'm past the rank 15 checkpoint now for that golden rare. Earliest I've ever been here. I hope this is the month.
Only played a couple games but I'm past the rank 15 checkpoint now for that golden rare. Earliest I've ever been here. I hope this is the month.
Karsticles
Member
But if Doomsayer dies without removal, it's just delay. No board is cleared. I'd rather use a Frostbolt to kill Trogg than Doomsayer.
I look through decks on hearthpwn and hearthstonetopdecks (why isn't this website talked about more?). Then I pick one and try to build it. Then I play it. Then I alter it so I like it.
HsTopDecks I like to see what is being brought to tournaments or what a streamer is using.
Tournament meta isn't always applicable to the ladder meta, so those lists aren't always the best to copy, but I've found a lot of good inspiration from tournament lists.
A delay can be game winning.
You can use Frostbolt to kill a Trogg but Frostbolt won't skip their next turn. What will happen is that they will play a Totem Golem next turn and have board initiate. When you play Doomsayer into Trogg, you kill the Trogg AND deny the Totem Golem turn giving you initiative on your turn. That's an entire turn that you bought for free with Doomsayer which can be the difference between win and lose for a control/combo deck.
If Doomsayer took 7+ damage to remove in the early game then that's 7 damage you didn't take to face which can give you some breathing room to set something up.
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
Then it's 2 mana heal for 7, which is still good.
veryslowhand
Banned
I have net deck for the first time since I play this game, feels dirty
Depends on your game plan. Freeze uses it for stall because it can take upwards of 10 turns before the right cards are in hand, and you spend a lot of turns with no board because you are cycling for combo. So you have to use every trick in the book to stay alive. Most control decks use a combination of board control and removal so it's not as valuable.
Karsticles
Member
This is the Shadowdragon Priest deck I want to try out:
http://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/...2,14177:2,1880:2,12628:1,1875:1,1776:2,9474:1
http://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/...2,14177:2,1880:2,12628:1,1875:1,1776:2,9474:1
I accidentally queued my death rattle paladin in ranked, which I didn't want to do since I'm 2-5 with it, but then I mopped the floor with some dumb Aggro shaman who BMed nonstop. When I cleared his board 3 turns in a row, healed for 20 and then when I played Nzoth to bring back Sylvanis when he was in top deck mode he conceded.
Playing Sylvanas in N'Zoth paly against control warrior seems like to be the one way to lose that match. Dog was playing last night, his opponent was a really good control warrior player. He just waited until Dog played N'Zoth, doomsayer shield slam the sylvanas. Then next turn he brawled. Paladin loses in fatigue then. Pretty cool match and very hard for the warrior, this is the way to win.
Sick play.
LucidMomentum
Member
All but two of my losses this season have been to C'Thun decks.
I have Things From Below, Defender of Argus, Feral Spirits, Sylvanas, one Earth Shock, two Hexes, Lightning Storms and Lightning Bolts, and he still somehow gets on the board.
C'Thun cards are the counter to mid-range Shaman. If you survive to C'Thun, you win most likely.
Those twins are starting to get to me.
I have Things From Below, Defender of Argus, Feral Spirits, Sylvanas, one Earth Shock, two Hexes, Lightning Storms and Lightning Bolts, and he still somehow gets on the board.
C'Thun cards are the counter to mid-range Shaman. If you survive to C'Thun, you win most likely.
Those twins are starting to get to me.
The feast of souls begins now!
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
Hahahaha. So I had a guy down to 9 health with ZooLock (quests). I was one off lethal. But then the power flickers and I have to shut the game down to attend to work panic.
"Welp, another game lost."
I log back in and the game tells me I won. Guy conceded after I disconnected 😅. I'd bet he thought I was BM'ing.
"Welp, another game lost."
I log back in and the game tells me I won. Guy conceded after I disconnected 😅. I'd bet he thought I was BM'ing.
Man Divine Shield Paladin is hilarious. Any deck without a 3 damage removal spell is just boned once you get the minions out. You can see opponents getting frustrated as they have no way to clear a 3 mana 3/3 from behind your wall of 1/1 Divine Shield Taunts and weapons. Even if they do end up clearing it (Swipe is a pretty good spell, y'all), your board still can't be cleared because your 1/1s became 2/2s at some point.
Definitely has a bad matchup against Tempo Mage and probably Freeze Mage, but I haven't faced any Freeze Mages so I couldn't say. Making those Darkshire Councilman into 3/3s is so clutch. Fuck that card so so much.
Definitely has a bad matchup against Tempo Mage and probably Freeze Mage, but I haven't faced any Freeze Mages so I couldn't say. Making those Darkshire Councilman into 3/3s is so clutch. Fuck that card so so much.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
I think you mean
WHO KNOWS WHAT SECRETS WE'LL UNCOVER
THE FEAST OF SOULS BEGINS NOW!
COME LITTLE ONES!
COME LITTLE ONES!
Rhomega Beta
Member
Didn't Blizzard say they were rotating out Blackrock Mountain and League of Explorers, or am I confusing that with sets of cards?
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
They will eventually. BRM way sooner then League.
they rotated out naxx and gvg so I guess next year will be BRM and TGT?
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Wild Pyromaster + Coin loves Bubble Pally.
oic
i wasn't playing at all when gvg and tgt + the standard/wild news came out so i wasn't sure
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
fuck lightning storm
that is all
that is all
Well today was trying out C'Thun Druid and I think I finally have a list I really enjoy playing.
I might swap out one of the elders but overall I'm really happy with it. I had C'thun's chosen but I dunno, card felt awkward when ramping. I mostly wanted to have more bigger threats.
I might swap out one of the elders but overall I'm really happy with it. I had C'thun's chosen but I dunno, card felt awkward when ramping. I mostly wanted to have more bigger threats.
I feel like running the elders is a mistake. If you are playing Wild Growth you'll be skipping your Turn 3 a lot of the time. I would think you would actually want Cthuns Chosen over the Elders and that you should be saving your innervates for bigger drops like Dark Arrakoa.
Also, why not Klaxxi Amberweaver? Or Brann? I know Fandral Staghelm is real but I feel you might be over saturated with Choose Ones.
RumblingRosco
Member
You know, I will get Priest to work in this meta, but right now, I'm literally stuck at rank 18-20. I used to easily climb with Control Priest, but phew, this is rough. Tried N'Zoth Priest and C'thun Priest and Reno Shadow C'thun so far; RSC seems the best, but I'm still testing all three.
Getting desperate. Considering trying some Divine Spirit/Inner Fire nonsense, that's how bad it has gotten.
Getting desperate. Considering trying some Divine Spirit/Inner Fire nonsense, that's how bad it has gotten.
Karsticles
Member
Why? It's just a clear spell.
I hear Dragon Priest is legit. I'd be keen on you trying my Shadowdragon Priest deck and telling me how it goes.
Daily quests. See if you can get good at Arena, there is a chance of getting a second pack at 3-3 or so I've been told. Grinding out gold in any mode takes a soul crushing long time.
I'm testing N'Zoth priest fluctuating rank ~15... switching cards around for best fit atm....
RumblingRosco
Member
The major problem ibsee is how few good Deathrattles there are. I'm considering dropping Museum Curator honestly since it is so slow with not enough impact. Might throw in two Wild Pyros instead.
this winstreak just keeps going and going and going and I feel like I could easily refine it to win even better.
http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/529035-overloaded-midrange
http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/529035-overloaded-midrange
my new favorite card
Shame all natural spell damage minion sucked or I can put one in my evolve deck
There are some good priest lists that are pretty solid that will get you up pretty high on the list thanks to it's survivalist nature.
I saw one owl so far (hunter) but a few spellbreakers.
MonorailCat
Member
fgsjgsdjkgsjkdgh this fucking game.
Why even play control, when you are at the mercy of your mulligan.
Aggo is just way more faster and consistent.
Why even play control, when you are at the mercy of your mulligan.
Aggo is just way more faster and consistent.
Of course it is, it's mathematically stacked that way.
An aggro deck is likely to have 2/3rds of its deck playable in the first 3 turns. Control decks have about a third of their tools that can be played in the first 3 turns and only if the other deck plays something.
Meaning the aggro deck is far likely to play minions on curve at start than a Priest is likely to have Shadow Pains in hand to counter.
Fact of the matter is aggro decks can get away with having all in decks with low curve, control decks can't afford to do that they need to account for the entire spectrum.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
darkshire councilman is bonkers. needs to be a 1/4. thank god imp-plosion was gone or he would be straight up broken
Aggro mulligan isn't easy either. Like the optimal use of Bladed Cultist in each matchup, really tricky and rewarding when you read it right. I really think most of the skill in HS is in the mulligan, one of the reasons why I don't like Faeria as much.. you have to throw out your entire hand if you don't like it.